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Old 12-28-2009, 11:09 AM   #11526
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Old 12-28-2009, 11:22 AM   #11527
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Maybe Pokerstars is rigged and they scam the **** out of you, it is possible what you say. BUT since there is no evidence of that, there is no proof that online poker is rigged. It might be, but you can't prove it.

Pokerstars is making enough money anyway with the rake. I doubt that they manipulate the games.
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Old 12-28-2009, 12:03 PM   #11528
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Is there any truth to this? I used to be a player for 4 years on Partypoker before it closed down and never felt that the site had any suspect algoritms.

Thank you for your comments.
Stuff like this always makes me confident the profitability in poker aint going nowhere.

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DONT LISTEN TO THEM OP THEY ARE POKERSTARS CROONIES. They are payed to come in here and make you think your crazy for asking. The truth is out there. Hold on there is someone at my door.

AHHH ITS POKERSTARS AND THEY ARE SHOOTING ME AHHHHHH RUN OP RUN! ITS A TARP!!
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Old 12-28-2009, 12:04 PM   #11529
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Old 12-28-2009, 12:27 PM   #11530
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Yes, PREDETERMAN is a cousin of SUPERMAN, with the powers to rig.
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:41 PM   #11531
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s0 1time i wuz like can I just keep dep0sits till I get redstarsss x 5 or sumthin they like "yeuz u can, den u win, tilldat u suxk" do i kept loosin till mour starz by name, datz why it called poker"stars" dat da algorithm rhythm izm. So Sence since I g0t da 5 stairz of p0wha I neva luse againz. I says to bronze u wronze and gunna l0se and den Powa ofda 5starz like greyskul but harder cuz even skelator dealz me aceis
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:43 PM   #11532
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Old 12-28-2009, 02:44 PM   #11533
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s0 1time i wuz like can I just keep dep0sits till I get redstarsss x 5 or sumthin they like "yeuz u can, den u win, tilldat u suxk" do i kept loosin till mour starz by name, datz why it called poker"stars" dat da algorithm rhythm izm. So Sence since I g0t da 5 stairz of p0wha I neva luse againz. I says to bronze u wronze and gunna l0se and den Powa ofda 5starz like greyskul but harder cuz even skelator dealz me aceis
this gets my vote for most funny post today
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Old 12-28-2009, 03:39 PM   #11534
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"PIG" much better moniker than "shill" IMO.
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:03 PM   #11535
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And with Pig you get a cool theme song.
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:26 PM   #11536
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:27 PM   #11537
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No but Fox's Million dollar challenge is.
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Old 12-29-2009, 12:44 AM   #11538
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have posted this several times a way to test if online is rigged. That is to PREDETERMAN the flop.
When you think the software has singled you out for the doom switch and you have KK QQ KQ etc bet on the A 7 or 2 to hit the flop because it is about 4 to 1 each time you are right go up a graph 3. When wrong down 1.
What should happen is the A 7 and 2 should go across the graph together.
If any of the gamblers are bothered to do this test they will be staggered how obvious the software is rigged.
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This happened to me 2 weeks ago 7 all in lost in a row equivalent to throwing 30 heads in a row 1,000.000.000 to 1. This can only happen if the software is rigged.
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AA….. all in preflop …..QJ+straight………......ahead…...80%
AJ...…all in preflop…... A4+straight……........ahead……71%
AJ+J…all in after flop.…KJ+J… river K…........ahead……83%
66+6…all in after flop…K10+..river straight….ahead……72%
99+9…all in after flop…KJ+..river flush………...ahead.….72%
KK…...all in preflop…... 87+87…………….……....ahead……77%...why go all in 87 suited ???
AA…...all in preflop…....55+straight……….......ahead……80%
Do you have more hands like these and can you post the hand histories to back up what you are saying? I am open to seeing proof.
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Old 12-29-2009, 12:50 AM   #11539
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Do you have more hands like these and can you post the hand histories to back up what you are saying? I am open to seeing proof.
We all are. But unfortunately, I fear we will never hear from this guy again, or he will come up with some excuse about how he doesn't have the hand histories.
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Old 12-29-2009, 12:58 AM   #11540
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We all are. But unfortunately, I fear we will never hear from this guy again, or he will come up with some excuse about how he doesn't have the hand histories.
I still can't figure out what in the blue hell his first post even meant. He has some **** in there about a huge sample size or something, but then has KK v. 87s (and bitches about someone getting it in so far behind, lawl). There's no way he has thousands of hands where KK went up against 87s AIPF, so I'm guessing his "proof" is single hand samples?

EDIT: Ohhhhhh, he was saying that his cherry picked all ins all losing is 1,000,000,000 to 1 against happening. I'd love to see his math behind that.
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This happened to me 2 weeks ago 7 all in lost in a row equivalent to throwing 30 heads in a row 1,000.000.000 to 1. This can only happen if the software is rigged.
That's the money quote. Something "extremely" unlikely to happen happened, so that can ONLY happen if the software is rigged.

Here's a hint genius: If there's a probability something can happen, then it NOT happening would prove it was rigged, not vice versa.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:03 AM   #11541
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I still can't figure out what in the blue hell his first post even meant. He has some **** in there about a huge sample size or something, but then has KK v. 87s (and bitches about someone getting it in so far behind, lawl). There's no way he has thousands of hands where KK went up against 87s AIPF, so I'm guessing his "proof" is single hand samples?

EDIT: Ohhhhhh, he was saying that his cherry picked all ins all losing is 1,000,000,000 to 1 against happening. I'd love to see his math behind that.


That's the money quote. Something "extremely" unlikely to happen happened, so that can ONLY happen if the software is rigged.

Here's a hint genius: If there's a probability something can happen, then it NOT happening would prove it was rigged, not vice versa.
He said that he lost all in 7 times in a row being way ahead. What is the math on that? He posted the percentages.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:13 AM   #11542
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on rigged sites my aces etc.. hold the same percentage as in real live but its the situation that makes it.
guess u all know what key-hands are.
more obvously if u win 2 turneys both with +1k players by simply shoving every hand allin, hah - and now yeah u just livetime breakeven on this site .... for now, hah!
yes this really happened, and more funny i have a vid were one guy does exactly the same like me, he shoved every hand allin and took out 28 players in a row.
and yeah some sites love u for mass tabling 30+^^ but its brainfugg.
hope i dont crush your dreams, i do forex now its rigged too but by far not this hard and your work pays off

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Old 12-29-2009, 01:16 AM   #11543
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This happened to me 2 weeks ago 7 all in lost in a row equivalent to throwing 30 heads in a row 1,000.000.000 to 1. This can only happen if the software is rigged.
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AA….. all in preflop …..QJ+straight………......ahead…...80%
AJ...…all in preflop…... A4+straight……........ahead……71%
AJ+J…all in after flop.…KJ+J… river K…........ahead……83%
66+6…all in after flop…K10+..river straight….ahead……72%
99+9…all in after flop…KJ+..river flush………...ahead.….72%
KK…...all in preflop…... 87+87…………….……....ahead……77%...why go all in 87 suited ???
AA…...all in preflop…....55+straight……….......ahead……80%
Is it just me, or are the actual odds of this happening (assuming the %s are accurate, which is a big assumption) more like 1/28,100?
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:17 AM   #11544
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:23 AM   #11545
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Is it just me, or are the actual odds of this happening (assuming the %s are accurate, which is a big assumption) more like 1/28,100?
That would make more sense than 1 and One Million. So at 1 in 28,000, does anyone blink an eye at this or is this very possible? I am not a math guy, so I would tend to think that this is unlikely, but still possible. Now if we had a lot more people coming forward with this happening then maybe we have something?
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:37 AM   #11546
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That would make more sense than 1 and One Million.
Yes, and even more sense than 1 in one billion, which is what he was claiming.

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Old 12-29-2009, 01:45 AM   #11547
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Yes, and even more sense than 1 in one billion, which is what he was claiming.
LOL! ooops, not used to seeing so many zeros.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:50 AM   #11548
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Is it just me, or are the actual odds of this happening (assuming the %s are accurate, which is a big assumption) more like 1/28,100?
That is the chance for your NEXT seven all-ins to lose assuming the same average equity as shown. To know his probability you have to know the span within which this streak happened. Within a series of 500 all-ins with average equity of 75%, the chance to have a streak of 7 losers is about 2.5%. But since the average all-in is more likely around 50%, and these were cherry picked (from "2 weeks ago"), the chance to have a losing streak of 7 in a row within 500 all-ins is really about 86%.

Even assuming that a player averages 75% equity on all their all-ins, that means that out of 100,000 players who have hit their first 500 all-ins, 2500 of them will have seen a streak of 7 or more losers in a row. So it isn't surprising one would post it and think it means something. It means absolutely nothing.

Billion to 1, lol. We have probably been leveled and fell for it.

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Old 12-29-2009, 02:11 AM   #11549
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That is the chance for your NEXT
Billion to 1, lol. We have probably been leveled and fell for it.
LOL! I think the One Billion to One was the clue. I am not thinking too clearly at this moment as I am partaking in some Johnny Walker Black brain damage. This and the AK beaten by K10 brain damage yet again has the room doing loops. LOL

It is for certain that in the $11 and below buy in tournaments, there are too many players rigged for ******ation. I can say this with absolute certainty.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:12 AM   #11550
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this debate saddens me everyone knows that with online poker that some nights u r the fker and other nights you get butt fked. Its only fair i mean no ones arse was built to be pounded every night
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