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Old 12-25-2009, 01:34 PM   #11451
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I don't know.

You have to go a long, long, way to edge out tk1133 and SMears (Rounding4Rent and others).
tk and meares, as misguided as they often are, at least try to put together some form of logic at times.

My vote goes to Bucket simply because he doesn't even try. Just dozens of rigged posts, most of them one liners or referring to a single hand played in which he lost a 60/40 or some crap like that.
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Old 12-25-2009, 01:39 PM   #11452
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I have played online on all the sites over the last several years and as for low to medium stake games i do believe that the allin and large pots when i have already had a reasonable run or cashed out really dont stack up.There seems to a spread of cash going around to lesser players, but most of all there are too many long shots going against me, whereas when i had played live i never had a losing period of more than two months in a winning 12 year period.I play both holdem and omaha high and i have been receiving 4 suited cards (my starting hand)at about 1 in 40 or so whereas it should be 1 in a hundred this is over 15000 hands on a major site.I have pointed this out to the support staff and their reply is that i need to play 50,000 hands to get a true average.I dont agree with this argument as i cant remember going a 100 hands with this occuring.It is in the poker sites best interests to keep the fish from going belly up and although i hate having to say this(I mean would major sites doctor the software to keep the fish alive?)but i sincerely believe that so many occurences are happening that are ridiculous that it goes against the odds.Example just 2 hands last week last card 1 outer making straight flush twice against my nut flush allin relatively large pots.....that was just in the last 5 days i wont go on about the other past weeks but it happens too often and always in big pots.I am winning online but it should be a lot more.Notice how in torneys how the large stacks tend to beat the small stacks with the lesser hand...happens too often which makes me a reluctant disbeliever in the software.
Holy crap dude, spaces and paragraphs.

Also, nobody is going to believe this bs (well the people with no common sense might). Please post the exact e-mail where a poker site told you to get the magical 50,000 hands number.

And if your results really are as far off as you claim they are, I'm sure the entire poker community would be interested in them.
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Old 12-25-2009, 02:37 PM   #11453
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tk, I hate to be mean at this time of the year but can't you see the brainlessness of the above.

All you rigtards have carefully constructed theories about how the game is rigged to that fish (losing players) don't lose so much.

Can you not see that, if that were the case, those of us who are consistently winning players would be winning despite the fact that the deal was rigged against us?

Thus we would be able to claim that we were even better players than we are.

This is the fundamental problem with the whole 'tard philosophy. It just doesn't make sense.



Nevertheless, Happy Christmas!
Most of the "people to be taken seriously" play high stakes...Again you avoid the subject and use the word "WE."
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Old 12-25-2009, 02:38 PM   #11454
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See the difference is, Monteroy is actually a winning online player...from what I've heard he can be taken off the "Muppet/shill" list.

In reality, I can understand some people who get offended , like MARKUSC confronted me one time. People take pride in online poker and when they're successful and do it for a living, for somebody to say it's "rigged" is a slap in the face. We're basicly telling winning players that their success is an illusion. Which is understandable and should be respected....
Winning is not the same like random.
Loosing is not the same like rigged.

Poker only works if many people deposit fresh money, lets say a large analyse proofed its rigged. Would someone post it around the world and scare away the fish ? Also the cheaters like " Superuser " only was detected because they was extreme greedy. I bet not greedy " cheaters " can play years.
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Old 12-25-2009, 02:44 PM   #11455
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Winning is not the same like random.
Loosing is not the same like rigged.

Poker only works if many people deposit fresh money, lets say a large analyse proofed its rigged. Would someone post it around the world and scare away the fish ? Also the cheaters like " Superuser " only was detected because they was extreme greedy. I bet not greedy " cheaters " can play years.
The way the ball was dropped with the investigation on the AP/UB scandel, it only set guidelines and showed certain scammers how to not get caught.

-Which goes back to the timing issue that Mr.Meares addressed months ago..
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Old 12-25-2009, 04:49 PM   #11456
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I play both holdem and omaha high and i have been receiving 4 suited cards (my starting hand)at about 1 in 40 or so whereas it should be 1 in a hundred this is over 15000 hands on a major site.
I assume you mean a monotone hand, since a 4-suited hand (containing all suits) happens 10.5% of the time in Omaha (1 in 9.5).

If you mean monotone, I call BS or mistake. You expected 1/95 or 158 monotone hands in 15000, and you got 375 of them? No. The binomial probability of that is so small I can't calculate it (more than 30 zeros after the decimal). Either I've misunderstood or it didn't happen.

If you in fact meant 4-suited, then none of your numbers make sense. I don't play Omaha, so maybe I'm not understanding.
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:13 PM   #11457
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QPW and Spade, here is a job lead for ya. You are both well qualified.

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Old 12-26-2009, 01:19 PM   #11458
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That's an easy question...

When we all think it's rigged we come to this thread and make an announcement. We are quickly asked for proof of the said riggedness which we never have.
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-Which goes back to the timing issue that Mr.Meares addressed months ago..
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:19 PM   #11459
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:21 PM   #11460
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But it just keeps going in circles, the "pep talks" only last for so long, and we always come back for more...
That's because you have the attention span of a goldfish.
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:27 PM   #11461
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To add...

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"Then we are asked for the proof of the legitamacy of (certain)online poker sites, and are told that "the burden of proof is on the accuser, and it's all about trust and ethics..."


That did it for me, after those moral boosting speeches I deposited the farm and encouraged my family to invest as well.
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:31 PM   #11462
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That did it for me, after those moral boosting speeches I deposited the farm and encouraged my family to invest as well.
This thread is about rigging, regulation and that you dont trust the sites should be a different thread.
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:35 PM   #11463
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That's because you have the attention span of a goldfish.
I'm having issues picking up a wireless connection on my computer ever since I fortified my computer and modem with foil, it feels like I'm on dial up...

any thoughts?

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Old 12-26-2009, 01:41 PM   #11464
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That did it for me, after those moral boosting speeches I deposited the farm and encouraged my family to invest as well.

You're missing the point. No one is saying to trust blindly. The point is no one who has done any actual analysis has uncovered anything fishy in the way the cards have been dealt. At least not on the major sites. The point is that if rigging is going on to the point where it has a real impact it would be discoverable by ordinary players.
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:42 PM   #11465
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This thread is about rigging, regulation and that you dont trust the sites should be a different thread.
Totally agreed, but in circle, it does correlate. Plus I don't think it'd be appropriate to create a new thread. Ultimately, the outcome would only serve as a self fulfilling "attention gimmick" for myself and in 4 days will be quickly merged. Not my intentions...
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:46 PM   #11466
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Wow!!! You can move the map in the web page, never seen that! Very cool!
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:58 PM   #11467
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Totally agreed, but in circle, it does correlate.
No idea what you're saying here.
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It wouldn't be merged if you don't claim poker is rigged without proof and stuck to the idea that poker sites dont have enough oversight.

It would die though because sites do have enough oversight. Its just you will only accept US regs. So until the US legalizes online gambling your arguments and defense of posting here are pointless. You should be posting in the legislation forum and lobbying the government or something.

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Old 12-26-2009, 03:10 PM   #11468
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You're missing the point. No one is saying to trust blindly. The point is no one who has done any actual analysis has uncovered anything fishy in the way the cards have been dealt. At least not on the major sites. The point is that if rigging is going on to the point where it has a real impact it would be discoverable by ordinary players.
This has been explained to him time and time again.

His best () response is that the person making the explanation is a shill.
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Wow!!! You can move the map in the web page, never seen that! Very cool!
Not sure why you quoted me to say that.

It has been very common for mapping app's for some time.
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Old 12-26-2009, 03:13 PM   #11470
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So until the US legalizes online gambling your arguments and defense of posting here are pointless. You should be posting in the legislation forum and lobbying the government or something.
There seems to be something about some of the 'tards in that they like to bend over for the debunkers again and again.

Almost as if they like it.
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Old 12-26-2009, 03:25 PM   #11471
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There seems to be something about some of the 'tards in that they like to bend over for the debunkers again and again.

Almost as if they like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ
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Old 12-26-2009, 06:01 PM   #11472
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I would like to make an announcement, I´m not a riggedologist anymore, before I was 80% suspicious the game was rigged, now I´m 80% suspicious the game IS NOT rigged.
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Old 12-26-2009, 06:35 PM   #11473
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I would like to make an announcement, I´m not a riggedologist anymore, before I was 80% suspicious the game was rigged, now I´m 80% suspicious the game IS NOT rigged.
Evidence for the 20%, or you are riggedologist
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Old 12-26-2009, 07:47 PM   #11474
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I would like to make an announcement, I´m not a riggedologist anymore, before I was 80% suspicious the game was rigged, now I´m 80% suspicious the game IS NOT rigged.
What changed your mind?
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Old 12-26-2009, 07:51 PM   #11475
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Evidence for the 20%, or you are riggedologist
Rubbish!

He's 80% for the idea that it's not rigged and the other 20% could well be "don't know".

An absolute certainty that there is no 'God' is just as illogical as an absolute certainty that there is. In both cases there is certainty with incomplete evidence.
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