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Old 12-24-2009, 08:57 AM   #11426
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Am I being particularly dense today?

Is his post some attempt to continue the joke about the number of SS threads popping up all of a sudden?
I thought he's been posting deliberate nonsense posts as a sort of social commentary on the futility of this thread? That's the problem in threads like this, its hard to tell the difference between the deliberately nonsense posts and the unintentionally nonsense posts.

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Old 12-24-2009, 09:22 AM   #11427
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Here is my theory. There is all these morons that claim that "online poker is rigged". I got so many bad beats blah blah blah. Well, if online poker is rigged. And your destined to lose money. Why the F*CK are you still playing? Because deep down in your inoperable head of yours. You know its not rigged. Because nobody with common sense would be playing poker if they thought it was rigged. Unless they are a completely f*c*ing stupid. So you either have the IQ of a f*c*ing rotten walnut, or you just tell yourself this bull*h*t to feel better about how sh*tty of a poker player you really are.




My theory.. more stupid people than smart ones
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Old 12-24-2009, 09:45 AM   #11428
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My theory.. more stupid people than smart ones
In all seriousness, it's not about stupidity per say (although that may factor in in some cases) but more about a refusal to approach this problem critically. Some of these sites may be rigged or not, but the process most rigtards follow in analyzing this has almost no chance of actually revealing riggedness - even if every site is 100% rigged. The reason so many come to the conclusion that the sites have developed an undetectable way of rigging the game (but also still resulting in massive profit for the site) is that it absolves them of having to go to that next step of critical analysis. They consol themselves that any investigation they could do would be useless, and only some other magical process (regulation by the US only, independant audits, etc. ) will actually keep the sites in line. How many have already stated that they already consider the results of Spade's study to be worthless - before even seeing the results? Anyone who holds this opinion, by definition, is not critically analyzing the problem. Anyone who refuses to do even a basic review of their handhistories is not acting critically.

So many comment on how useless this thread is, and what a joke it is. And it is perhaps unfortunate that it has become so long, because there is so much actual good information on the correct APPROACH to this problem. But instead of actually looking at these posts as good advice, the rigtards clearly don't even consider the content of this advice, but reject it out of hand, accusing the advice givers as shills, who are only giving this advice to obfuscate the real nefariousness going on. They never stop to consider how ludicrous a proposition that is.
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Old 12-24-2009, 10:05 AM   #11430
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In all seriousness, it's not about stupidity per say (although that may factor in in some cases) but more about a refusal to approach this problem critically. Some of these sites may be rigged or not, but the process most rigtards follow in analyzing this has almost no chance of actually revealing riggedness - even if every site is 100% rigged. The reason so many come to the conclusion that the sites have developed an undetectable way of rigging the game (but also still resulting in massive profit for the site) is that it absolves them of having to go to that next step of critical analysis.
But I would call that stupidity.

Wondering about the fairness of the deal is only natural but refusing to see the logic that to be detectable to the fish they are trying to encourage the skew in the deal would have to be massive - and easily detectable - is plain daft.

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They consol themselves that any investigation they could do would be useless, ... How many have already stated that they already consider the results of Spade's study to be worthless - before even seeing the results?
Well, of course, deep down they know perfectly well that the results are going to be: "no rigging".

That's why, apart from one small study with one particular player's hands, I have never released any of the analyses I've undertaken (which were not looking for a rigged deal but would certainly have detected one).

What would be the point of posting anything when the real cretins, people like tk1133 and rounding4rent resort to calling anyone who makes an explanation of why rigging is unlikely a 'shill' or in desperation for anything intelligent to say, suggests they don't play poker (which, even if true, would be a complete irrelevance)?

You are certainly correct that there is no critical thought but that is hardly surprising. The worst of the rigtards are either incapable of such thought or know full well it would expose the stupidity of their argument and make them take responsibility for their own inadequacies.
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Old 12-24-2009, 04:29 PM   #11431
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What sites do you play on?

Any specific threads here that you thought were extra helpful?
I've played on all the big ones and a few small ones too. I've never noticed anything too different on any of them.

When I started participating on 2+2 I was big on the MTT Forum and then bought the HoH books, which helped tremendously. Later, when I decided to improve my cash game, I bought No Limit Hold 'Em, Theory and Practice, which is the best poker book I've ever read.
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Old 12-24-2009, 04:34 PM   #11432
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But I would call that stupidity.

You are certainly correct that there is no critical thought but that is hardly surprising. The worst of the rigtards are either incapable of such thought or know full well it would expose the stupidity of their argument and make them take responsibility for their own inadequacies.
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Old 12-24-2009, 04:37 PM   #11433
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Old 12-24-2009, 04:44 PM   #11434
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Shill after shill after shill.
If it's not rigged then why do you workhorses invest so much time on this board defending it.
It's the same cycle as always.
Deposited 60 bucks 2 weeks ago.
Ran hot in some MTT's and got it up to $1500.
Cashout $800 and have $700 left in my account.
Next day is cooler central - 2 outers hitting against me left and right.
Donks cold calling all ins preflop with rubbish like j257 and scooping (possible collusion)
Was about to make another MTT final table when the big stack hit a 3 outer and my AA24 lost to KK45 after a A37 flop.
Flop the nut boat only to be 2 outed by a higher boat.
I don't think I've won a significant hand in the last few days.
So ya my vote is for rigged, and if I'm wrong it's only because there is a huge deal of soft collusion going on giving the appearance of bad beats.
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:45 PM   #11435
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Shill after shill after shill.

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If it's not rigged then why do you workhorses invest so much time on this board defending it.
I'd bet money that you don't even realise the intellectual bankruptcy that that comment demonstrates.

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It's the same cycle as always.
Deposited 60 bucks 2 weeks ago.
Ran hot in some MTT's and got it up to $1500.
Cashout $800 and have $700 left in my account.
Next day is cooler central - 2 outers hitting against me left and right.
Donks cold calling all ins preflop with rubbish like j257 and scooping (possible collusion)
Was about to make another MTT final table when the big stack hit a 3 outer and my AA24 lost to KK45 after a A37 flop.
Flop the nut boat only to be 2 outed by a higher boat.
I don't think I've won a significant hand in the last few days.
So ya my vote is for rigged, and if I'm wrong it's only because there is a huge deal of soft collusion going on giving the appearance of bad beats.
When are you going to take responsibility for your own inadequacies and realise that you are just an incompetent player?

Failing that, when are you going to show even the vaguest hint of intelligence and STOP PLAYING SOMETHING THAT YOU BELIEVE IS RIGGED AGAINST YOU.

Are you really so incredibly moronic that you will continue to lose money whilst believing that things are set so that you cannot win?

That really is the most amazing, animal, stupidity.

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Old 12-24-2009, 09:48 PM   #11436
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Shill after shill after shill.
If it's not rigged then why do you workhorses invest so much time on this board defending it.
It's the same cycle as always.
Deposited 60 bucks 2 weeks ago.
Ran hot in some MTT's and got it up to $1500.
Cashout $800 and have $700 left in my account.
Next day is cooler central - 2 outers hitting against me left and right.
Donks cold calling all ins preflop with rubbish like j257 and scooping (possible collusion)
Was about to make another MTT final table when the big stack hit a 3 outer and my AA24 lost to KK45 after a A37 flop.
Flop the nut boat only to be 2 outed by a higher boat.
I don't think I've won a significant hand in the last few days.
So ya my vote is for rigged, and if I'm wrong it's only because there is a huge deal of soft collusion going on giving the appearance of bad beats.
Bucket did you even read my post or was it tldr for you?

By the way. A quick scan of your posting history shows that the great majority of your posts relate to online poker being rigged. It's like you search out every thread that deals with rigging and make a negative comment about the poker sites, trying to convince people to stop playing.

IMO there's a stronger case to be made about you as a shill than almost anyone ITT.
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Old 12-25-2009, 12:58 AM   #11437
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Shill the shilling ill man in the island of north!!! Shall the shaved horn and crawl the big fall!

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Old 12-25-2009, 03:36 AM   #11438
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If we can vote on idiot rigtard of the year, my vote goes to BucketFoot. And he beats out many other worthy contenders.
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Old 12-25-2009, 04:59 AM   #11439
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If we can vote on idiot rigtard of the year, my vote goes to BucketFoot. And he beats out many other worthy contenders.
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If we can vote on idiot rigtard of the year, my vote goes to BucketFoot. And he beats out many other worthy contenders.
I don't know.

You have to go a long, long, way to edge out tk1133 and SMears (Rounding4Rent and others).
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I don't know.

You have to go a long, long, way to edge out tk1133 and SMears (Rounding4Rent and others).
How about a "Shill of the Year" poll aswell.

Personally Id vote for Spadebidder as he at least attempts to use logic and reason to back up his arguments whereas qpw and Monteroy and muppets like Nfuego just attempt to ridicule and mock what they call the "rigtards".
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Old 12-25-2009, 10:54 AM   #11443
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Here is my theory. There is all these morons that claim that "online poker is rigged". I got so many bad beats blah blah blah. Well, if online poker is rigged. And your destined to lose money. Why the F*CK are you still playing? Because deep down in your inoperable head of yours. You know its not rigged. Because nobody with common sense would be playing poker if they thought it was rigged. Unless they are a completely f*c*ing stupid. So you either have the IQ of a f*c*ing rotten walnut, or you just tell yourself this bull*h*t to feel better about how sh*tty of a poker player you really are.
That's an easy question...

When we all think it's rigged we come to this thread and make an announcement. We are quickly "consoled" by QPW and Spadebidder, and sometimes Monteroy.

With "tough love" and constructive critism, we become aware of our insecurities and accept personal responsiblity for our online "misfortunes."

(since we know that QPW, and others like KOF are here for OUR BEST INTERESTS as human beings and poker players)

But it just keeps going in circles, the "pep talks" only last for so long, and we always come back for more...

Thus, I have also wrapped my computer in tinfoil to avoid this advanced form of brainwashing...

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Old 12-25-2009, 10:56 AM   #11444
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How about a "Shill of the Year" poll aswell.

Personally Id vote for Spadebidder as he at least attempts to use logic and reason to back up his arguments whereas qpw and Monteroy and muppets like Nfuego just attempt to ridicule and mock what they call the "rigtards".
See the difference is, Monteroy is actually a winning online player...from what I've heard he can be taken off the "Muppet/shill" list.

In reality, I can understand some people who get offended , like MARKUSC confronted me one time. People take pride in online poker and when they're successful and do it for a living, for somebody to say it's "rigged" is a slap in the face. We're basicly telling winning players that their success is an illusion. Which is understandable and should be respected....
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Old 12-25-2009, 11:09 AM   #11445
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How about a "Shill of the Year" poll aswell.

Personally Id vote for Spadebidder as he at least attempts to use logic and reason to back up his arguments whereas qpw and Monteroy and muppets like Nfuego just attempt to ridicule and mock what they call the "rigtards".
Hey now, I never use the term rigtard, I always use the much more dignified term of riggedologist.

Also, I am always proud of the logical constructs of my posts, but unlike spade I don't actually care if you or others think it is rigged and if you butcher statistics while doing so.

When I suggest you or other riggedologists make millions exploiting the system breaking patterns you believe exist, I am making an extremely logical suggestion as people do that all the time for profit in other areas. The fact I know you and other riggedologists cannot (for obvious reasons) does not change that what I suggest to you is extremely logical.

The shill title should go to someone who actually genuinely cares about defending the sites so perhaps Josem, or maybe spade (who at least likes defending the math). I'm just in it to make fun of riggedologists, the sites have nothing to do with the equation for me, so sadly I don't think I would be an appropriate candidate. I appreciate the support however.

For riggedologist of the year I would not really have an opinion as I really cannot remember one of you from the other, and generally I don't even remember who I replied to shortly after. Maybe the guy who invented the superbots concept (whoever that was) as that will represent the future of most riggedologist theories in 2010 once spades study comes out.

Frankly, Scooper ( I had to even look at which one I was replying to) guys like you and Bucket and that Mears guy just remind me of whiny bitches and not much more which is probably why you never like how I respond to you. Donko annoyed me because I wasted time trying to be genuinely helpful to him early on. tk strikes me as a guy who can actually play who just vents a bit too much at times, but he is not the whiny ***** you are.

Thus it is understandable how you react to me at times. Still, a true deeply paranoid riggedologist like superbot guy deserves the award over a mundane whiny *****. HO HO HO!

Happy holidays.

All the best.

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Old 12-25-2009, 11:27 AM   #11446
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But I would call that stupidity.

Wondering about the fairness of the deal is only natural but refusing to see the logic that to be detectable to the fish they are trying to encourage the skew in the deal would have to be massive - and easily detectable - is plain daft.



Well, of course, deep down they know perfectly well that the results are going to be: "no rigging".

That's why, apart from one small study with one particular player's hands, I have never released any of the analyses I've undertaken (which were not looking for a rigged deal but would certainly have detected one).

What would be the point of posting anything when the real cretins, people like tk1133 and rounding4rent resort to calling anyone who makes an explanation of why rigging is unlikely a 'shill' or in desperation for anything intelligent to say, suggests they don't play poker (which, even if true, would be a complete irrelevance)?

You are certainly correct that there is no critical thought but that is hardly surprising. The worst of the rigtards are either incapable of such thought or know full well it would expose the stupidity of their argument and make them take responsibility for their own inadequacies.
See if you "work" for a poker site, and in your free time or dead time, you respond obsessively b/c we're questioning your employer's integrity, and in return questioning yours as well, is understandable.

Acting like your a guy that sits next to us playing online poker, telling us we're just awful players, and your HH's and track record back up your success and your intentions, is misleading and dishonest.

Perhaps we could take you seriously again, QPW, if you were to address your true colors. You post here enough...

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Old 12-25-2009, 12:30 PM   #11447
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I have played online on all the sites over the last several years and as for low to medium stake games i do believe that the allin and large pots when i have already had a reasonable run or cashed out really dont stack up.There seems to a spread of cash going around to lesser players, but most of all there are too many long shots going against me, whereas when i had played live i never had a losing period of more than two months in a winning 12 year period.I play both holdem and omaha high and i have been receiving 4 suited cards (my starting hand)at about 1 in 40 or so whereas it should be 1 in a hundred this is over 15000 hands on a major site.I have pointed this out to the support staff and their reply is that i need to play 50,000 hands to get a true average.I dont agree with this argument as i cant remember going a 100 hands with this occuring.It is in the poker sites best interests to keep the fish from going belly up and although i hate having to say this(I mean would major sites doctor the software to keep the fish alive?)but i sincerely believe that so many occurences are happening that are ridiculous that it goes against the odds.Example just 2 hands last week last card 1 outer making straight flush twice against my nut flush allin relatively large pots.....that was just in the last 5 days i wont go on about the other past weeks but it happens too often and always in big pots.I am winning online but it should be a lot more.Notice how in torneys how the large stacks tend to beat the small stacks with the lesser hand...happens too often which makes me a reluctant disbeliever in the software.
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In reality, I can understand some people who get offended , like MARKUSC confronted me one time. People take pride in online poker and when they're successful and do it for a living, for somebody to say it's "rigged" is a slap in the face. We're basicly telling winning players that their success is an illusion.
tk, I hate to be mean at this time of the year but can't you see the brainlessness of the above.

All you rigtards have carefully constructed theories about how the game is rigged to that fish (losing players) don't lose so much.

Can you not see that, if that were the case, those of us who are consistently winning players would be winning despite the fact that the deal was rigged against us?

Thus we would be able to claim that we were even better players than we are.

This is the fundamental problem with the whole 'tard philosophy. It just doesn't make sense.

Nevertheless, Happy Christmas!
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Perhaps we could take you seriously again, QPW, if you were to address your true colors. You post here enough...
tk, you and your fellow 'tards are never going to take me or others who post in the spirit of disseminating accurate and internally consistent information because if you did you would have to confront the illogicality of your own, somewhat preposterous, assertions.

And that would mean that you would have to start to take responsibility for your own failures as poker players.

And that is something you are never going to do.
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Old 12-25-2009, 01:07 PM   #11450
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Merry Christmas to everyone, especially those I've made fun of this year. And you never know, maybe 2010 will be the year the rigged conspiracy is exposed. Keep the faith.
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