Spade please don't let posts like this discourage you from posting your work. Personally, I intend to let you post it before telling you that its worthless.

Plus 1 dude...

Ignorance? By the FBI cyber division?

Perhaps you should read the PPA response to this letter...Which would summerize my point....

ROFLMAO.

You think the thread has run its course but continue to post your nonsense to it keeping it going longer and longer.

Oh, wait - you're one of those idiot rigtards who believes that on line poker is rigged and keep playing.

I think I can see a pattern.

Thanks for the laugh. You clearly have no idea how an RNG works or what it even is. This isn't Tron.

? what are you talking about

maybe you should explain... you are one of the few who likes to pinpoint every little word i say for errors and/or slight mistypes and then say "HA!! I GOT YOU!" ... but you never do

Well that settles it for me. .... Obv Rigged

Cliffs ... There are lots of corrupt people in the world, therefore its reasonable to assume that online poker is corrupt.

An RNG is not a physical thing that someone can "walk into". You can't just go into an RNG and look around. An RNG is verified as working via statistical analysis, not by entering a big room and looking at it.

FYP.

Good grief, are you paralytic?

I know know one takes you seriously anyway but you might at least make some, slight, effort to make sense.

If FT have an 'overseas' database, I wonder where that would be?

Arkansas, maybe.

Bump because every time someone posts something good, the defenders post quick, pointless one liners to hide the intelligent post.

To be clear, I don't really have a position other than whatever the evidence shows. I criticize BS when I see it and sometimes have fun doing it, and I've also made a lot of posts explaining why various theories don't work, usually in a reasonable tone. But if my data were to show that a site was manipulating the deal, it would be pretty cool to be the one to discover that. It's equally satisfying to be the one to show some hard evidence that the deal is fair. When I finish my database analysis, it will answer some questions and satisfy some people, but certainly it won't be the last word. The results that I'm writing up are interesting for a lot of reasons unrelated to whether the deal is fair. I hope to add some new knowledge and insights that no one has discovered or quantified before, about card removal effects, distributions, biases caused by player decisions, and so on. I'm putting all this on a web site which I'll make available before long.

LOL. Nice.

You are awesome BucketFoot. You never cease to entertain. I particularly like the part where you bump a thread that you agree with in which the first line is "this thread should run its course and drift to the back".

Please keep posting BucketFoot. You're special.

You are awesome KingOfFelt. You never cease to entertain. I particularly like the part where you infer that a thread running its course means a subject has run its course also, and actually add zero to the discussion.

Please keep posting KingOfFelt. You're special.

Well when you bump a post it also bumps the thread. Almost 5000 posts and you haven't realized that? This isn't rocket science. And when a rigtard posts some statistical evidence of an RNG being rigged, I will be happy to discuss it with them. Until then this thread is just for fun.

But good joke. You totally took what I said, changed it a bit and put my name in it instead of BucketFoot. Pretty funny I must say. You here all week?

The RNG has to be corrupt for a poker site to be "rigged?!"

Not necessarily, but that seems to be the general theme that most rigtards go along with. Of course, if you want to say that superusing etc. is also rigging, that's fine, but again please present evidence. I think the 2+2 community has a very good history of banding together and getting to the bottom of things when actual evidence is provided. See AP/UB and Pitbull as examples.

However, this thread is full of paranoid people just yelling "RIGGED!!" and providing absolutely no evidence. That's the reason this thread is pretty much a joke and is treated as such. I guarantee you if solid evidence is brought to this thread all the non-rigtards would take it seriously...but alas, we are still waiting for that to happen.

Like R4R said you are on this kick that it's not humanly possible to "Rig" a poker room. What seperates your logic from ours is that morals and ethics are preventing such a travsty to occur. If it were humanly possible to "Rig" an RNG, then I don't want some Indian Tribe in Canada, regulating and overseeing my ANY FINANCIAL activity in my Country!

I never said it isn't possible, but there is no evidence whatsoever that it is happening. You could be a murderer, but I don't think you are because I have no evidence to believe you are.

If everybody thought the way you did, then AP/UB never would of been exposed...
Nobody has provided sufficient evidence that it's not "rigged" either. In my opinion if it were rigged, I don't think a multi billion dollar operation would leave any loose ends for public detection.
That being said, if there was nothing to hide there would be more transparency in their operations by the Poker sites, not that of avoiding US soil to avoid arrest from US Marshalls. Thus, there is no transperancy and like Howard Lederer stated, "It's all about trust." To me, that's simply not good enough. Somebody needs to be breathing down their necks making sure proper enforcements are made and customers are protected. The sad thing is, it should be the poker players....

I agree that it is very unlikely that the major sites are rigged. I however do not believe that there is any way to be conclusive on this. Just because a rigtard or a semi rigtard or a stats nit has not presented evidence, it doesnt mean that it is not happening. Just like the superuser scandals, there is always a point where the cheating is under the radar or within the radars range of detection. We dont know how many more situations were going on like this where the cheaters were being smarter and less blatant with their use of a superuser account. These scenarios on their own make the chance of sites being rigged alot more likely in my mind. When you find issues like these, they tend to be the tip of the iceberg not the exception.

I dont think sifting through hand histories is going to cover the wide range of possible rigs and cheats that could be happening. We are not talking about a black and white subject here. I am sure that any large site that would be rigging their programming would be able to figure out how to do it in a way that would be virtually undetectable or they wouldnt do it at all because they are not going to risk their operation unless they have a solid approach and a big upswing in their bottom line.

Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges please...

I don't give a **** if the CEO's, the employees, the software designer for the poker site, their gaming commission, or random players are rigging the game. This isn't a prosection or a vendetta cause...It's called:

Pre-emtive Measures...