Regardless of where you stand on this issue, you have got to find the following heads-up tourney amusing. Note the player comments during.



Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.15 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t1500 M = 50
BTN/SB: t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 8 7
BTN/SB raises to t60, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t120) 7 3 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t50, Hero raises to t100, BTN/SB calls t50

Turn: (t320) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t320, BTN/SB folds

Final Pot: t320
Hero wins t320


Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.15 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1660 M = 55.33
BB: t1340 M = 44.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with A K
Hero raises to t40, BB raises to t1340 all in, Hero calls t1300, BB says "lol"

Flop: (t2680) 5 Q T

Turn: (t2680) 3
BB says "wow"

River: (t2680) 8
BB says "sweet"

Final Pot: t2680
Hero shows A K (Ace King high)
BB shows A Q (a flush, Ace high)
BB wins t2680


Hand #3
Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.15 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t320 M = 10.67
BTN/SB: t2680 M = 89.33

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 5 A
Hero says "I expected that fully", BTN/SB calls t10, Hero raises to t320 all in, BTN/SB says "i did not", 1 fold

Final Pot: t40
Hero wins t40


Hand #4
Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.15 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t340 M = 11.33
BB: t2660 M = 88.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 2 7
Hero says "it's full tilt", 1 fold

Final Pot: t20
BB wins t20


Hand #5
Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.15 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t330 M = 11
BTN/SB: t2670 M = 89

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with T J
BTN/SB calls t10, Hero checks

Flop: (t40) 4 8 T (2 players)
Hero bets t100, BTN/SB raises to t2650 all in, Hero calls t210 all in

Turn: (t660) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t660) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)
BTN/SB says "now that i expected fully"

Final Pot: t660
Hero shows T J (two pair, Tens and Fours)
BTN/SB shows 8 2 (two pair, Eights and Fours)
Hero wins t660


Hand #6
Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.15 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t660 M = 22
BB: t2340 M = 78

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 5 6
Hero calls t10, BB says "why else would i hit a pair", BB checks

Flop: (t40) A J 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t20, BB folds

Final Pot: t40
Hero wins t40


Hand #7
Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.15 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t680 M = 22.67
BTN/SB: t2320 M = 77.33

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with Q 3
BTN/SB raises to t40, Hero calls t20

Flop: (t80) J J A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t60, Hero folds

Final Pot: t80
BTN/SB wins t80


Hand #8
Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.15 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t640 M = 21.33
BB: t2360 M = 78.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with K A
Hero raises to t40, BB raises to t2360 all in, Hero calls t600 all in

Flop: (t1280) 3 6 A
BB says "hahahahaha"

Turn: (t1280) 8

River: (t1280) A
BB says "wow", Hero says "full tilt"

Final Pot: t1280
Hero shows K A (three of a kind, Aces)
BB shows K K (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Hero wins t1280


Hand #9
Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.15 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t1280 M = 42.67
BTN/SB: t1720 M = 57.33

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with K K
BTN/SB calls t10, Hero raises to t60, BTN/SB says "what a joke", BTN/SB raises to t1720 all in, Hero calls t1220 all in

Flop: (t2560) Q 9 A
BTN/SB says "hahahahahaha", Hero says "watch this"

Turn: (t2560) T

River: (t2560) 7
Hero says "yep", BTN/SB says "hahahahahaha"

Final Pot: t2560
Hero shows K K (a pair of Kings)
BTN/SB shows 2 A (a pair of Aces)
BTN/SB wins t2560

ur an idiot

/thread

Not amused, I guess.

wtf. gtfo.

wtf is this

Hero plays bad.

Barely even begins to describe it.

zomgsofreakingroggedobv

So what are we watching here, exactly? You "yep" at the end throws it off.

To all who question site fairness @ ft-stars or wherever, and in turn are rebuffed by the following:

''hey that's poker''

''your just a bad player, learn to play''

'' do you really think that a multimilliuon dollar company would risk that''

or whatever the latest poker room shill on 2 plus 2 spews, no your not crazy for thinking that being 1-2-3 outed on a consitent basis is abnormal.


the sites of course are higly leveraged to ensuring that there are as many players a possible playing, if your bankroll is short there is a very strong chance that you will run good, that you will hit your 3 outer, that you will hit your gutshot....etc. If your fully bankrolled for that specific limit, then you can be sacrifcied. It's simply business, unfair yes, but....


The standard shill response to this will be '' it's all controlled by an RNG'' as if a legimtate RNG can't have something introduced to determine a favoured event ( I.E. skewing the randomness of the cards).


Anyway, to anyone that reads this and thinks, ''Is this all in mind'' no it's not all in your mind. There is a very strong posibility that this happens at low limits.


But to prove it yourself once and for all, get a Poker Database, and play hands, and looks at the results for yourself > I did this, and once I collected the necessary data, the statistics were skewed severly enough that I stopped playing on-line.

Having said that, the poker discussions on here are excellent, and the site is also first rate, but the Poker is Rigged area is too be avoided on this site, as their are numerous people on here who have a vested interest to berate posters of that opinion.

It's back to the SHILLS.

elohel

Fantastic! Someone can finally break the case wide open. So when are you posting it?

Over/under of hands played? I'll start at 4,000.

fyp

I don't actually think he's going to POST it.

Just speculating.

Well clearly. I was just below my fyp quota for the day so I forced it a little.

There are already good commisions in Canada, Malta and the IOM IMO.

Don't see that we need another - too many cooks and all that.

[ ] New member with something interesting to say
[ x ] Long term rigtard with shiny new gimmick account.

Sigh.

Why are people here so cynical?

I think he has a point here. Never again will I play fully bankrolled for the limits. I am going to keep my BR small and caaassshh man.

great post, i actually enjoyed this one

you cant be serious (see below)

to the point

even closer to the point

wowzer

well to the first bolded part, explain why there are so so many bustos in 4l and bbv then
to the second, you do realise that probably 95% of the people on this forum both have a database and review results regularly
also if you have seen the skewed statistics, why not point them out for the rest of us that cant see them



I used to think that tourneys were programmed to eliminate shortstack, when i first started playing alot a couple of years ago
then i came to the stunning realization that a shortstack can only survive so many 80/20 hands before getting knocked out (i mean zomg one in five times the shortstack has to leave the table - so if the shortstack survives six allins then gets felted, well zomg stunning...)

i really hate to bash rigtards, because i know that most of it is probably their frustration over playing a losing game
but i wish they would spend the time they use to come up with theories, to actually read a book or post a few hands



i will say if someone is on the fence, regarding riggedness, and they play tourneys - start playing some cash games
donkaments (esp esp turbos), force action at such a pace, that you are sure to see strange hands
this is no diff than in my local casino though

Offline poker is rigged as well.

The only person who has posted his database results with skewed statistics turned out to be correct - there was something wrong.



His PokerTracker was lacking a patch that prevented erroneous data from being presented.