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Old 11-22-2009, 04:23 PM   #10626
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I am not trying to express an opion as to whether online poker is rigged or not, but I have quit playing all together. All I know is the last 12 times I had ak on fulltilt poker I was up against kk all in preflop and the last time I had ak vs kk the very next hand was dealt kk and was up against aa. Something is not right with online poker and now I refuse to play. It's the casino or nothing.

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I love how all these paranoid posts start out with "I'm not saying it's rigged", but always end with "it's rigged.".

And to mikern12, the last 12 times you had AK you were up against KK? Do you swear on the life of your family? Also, post hand histories.
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Old 11-22-2009, 04:24 PM   #10627
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All I know is the last 12 times I had ak on fulltilt poker I was up against kk all in preflop
O rly? Do you have PT3 or HEM where you could show that your last 12 AKs were up against KK AIPF?
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Old 11-22-2009, 04:31 PM   #10628
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I am not trying to express an opion as to whether online poker is rigged or not, but I have quit playing all together. All I know is the last 12 times I had ak on fulltilt poker I was up against kk all in preflop and the last time I had ak vs kk the very next hand was dealt kk and was up against aa. Something is not right with online poker and now I refuse to play. It's the casino or nothing.

Thanks for your time.
Do you mean "the last 12 times I got all in preflop with AK i was against KK" or do you mean what you have actually written: "last 12 times i got AK I was against KK all in preflop"? There is a diference but I doubt either is true, especially if we are talking tournaments rather than cash.

But here are some questions for you assuming you meant the former, in cash games:

1) How many times out of 12 would you expect to be against KK when you are all in preflop with AK?

2) How many times would you need to be all in with AK preflop before a sequence of 12 KK's was more likely than not to turn up?

3) How did your equity vs 12 x KK compare to your expected equity against your opponents ranges, including all the AA you were lucky to avoid?

You don't need to answer, but it might be worth thinking about.
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Old 11-24-2009, 03:56 AM   #10629
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So did bloodofgod ever find this thread to post his groundbreaking evidence of Cake's rigging? I'm going to guess no.
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Old 11-24-2009, 03:57 PM   #10630
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the most desturbing thing i see online that makes me think its rigged is because i dont chase unless i have a combo like straight with flush draw and i never get there. Straight flush draw combos dont hit like they should
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Old 11-24-2009, 04:15 PM   #10631
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the most desturbing thing i see online that makes me think its rigged is because i dont chase unless i have a combo like straight with flush draw and i never get there. Straight flush draw combos dont hit like they should
What are you basing this on? Please don't say your memory.
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Old 11-25-2009, 12:45 AM   #10632
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like 0 for 12 today while all in favorite on full tilt. zero
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Old 11-25-2009, 12:48 AM   #10633
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hop in my tables quick cuz im dumpin the rest of my bankroll on this site cuz this is not poker
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Old 11-25-2009, 12:50 AM   #10634
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last and not least, the iron man doom switch is real

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Old 11-25-2009, 12:52 AM   #10635
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Gunth,

And yes, it is poker. Might as well just dump your money though, that'll show 'em!
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:37 AM   #10636
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It is interesting how those on the same side in this debate can come up with so many conflicting ways of how they know the games are rigged.
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:34 PM   #10637
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It is interesting how those on the same side in this debate can come up with so many conflicting ways of how they know the games are rigged.
Thats because there arent many experts in this field. Even some of the experts here have some difficulty articulating their perspective and findings to an understandable level for the people who are not driven by numbers. Math is just not everyone's forte in life. Even the tracking programs available are not easy to use when you are trying to figure out what your statistics mean. I think there needs to be a Pfisher Price version for the non math people. There also needs to be a huge sample to draw from to be able to see if a site is dealing a fair game. I think the big sites are, but that is not because I understand all of the math connected.
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:53 PM   #10638
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Thats because there arent many experts in this field. Even some of the experts here have some difficulty articulating their perspective and findings to an understandable level for the people who are not driven by numbers. Math is just not everyone's forte in life. Even the tracking programs available are not easy to use when you are trying to figure out what your statistics mean. I think there needs to be a Pfisher Price version for the non math people. There also needs to be a huge sample to draw from to be able to see if a site is dealing a fair game. I think the big sites are, but that is not because I understand all of the math connected.
Found something that might help:

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Old 11-25-2009, 04:08 PM   #10639
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Found something that might help:

LOL! These look like fun! Wait, how many bananas am I getting for this bet? by the way, my name on Fulltilt is BadMonkey619, so this is perfect...
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:11 PM   #10640
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LOL! These look like fun! Wait, how many bananas am I getting for this bet? by the way, my name on Fulltilt is BadMonkey619, so this is perfect...
Wait a minute...is Arthur a Monkey?
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:18 PM   #10641
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Wait a minute...is Arthur a Monkey?
sounds a bit racialist iyam
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:24 PM   #10642
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sounds a bit racialist iyam
no
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:32 PM   #10643
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Although, a lot of us are just very advanced monkeys, but some are lizards according to some further fetched theories. This is another debate and doesnt belong in this thread...and has nothing to do with whether or not the Arthur Math character is a monkey or a kangaroo or...???
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:45 PM   #10644
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Wait a minute...is Arthur a Monkey?
Arthur is an Aardvark.
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Old 11-26-2009, 06:42 AM   #10645
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Thats because there arent many experts in this field. Even some of the experts here have some difficulty articulating their perspective and findings to an understandable level for the people who are not driven by numbers. Math is just not everyone's forte in life. Even the tracking programs available are not easy to use when you are trying to figure out what your statistics mean. I think there needs to be a Pfisher Price version for the non math people. There also needs to be a huge sample to draw from to be able to see if a site is dealing a fair game. I think the big sites are, but that is not because I understand all of the math connected.
It's not just about math. There are all forms of biases that comes with making assumptions/assertions based on observation alone. If people were more aware of how the human brain works perhaps they'd take some time to actually verify their claims before shouting [insert random outrageous rigtard claim].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

edit: I never figured Arthur was a monkey and apparently rightly so.
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Old 11-26-2009, 11:50 AM   #10646
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rigged?

the age old question, do you think any other sites have scandals besides ap, and pitbull poker?
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Old 11-26-2009, 12:50 PM   #10647
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Do some sites juice rake more then others?

Yes, I know online sites are beyond reproach when it comes to ethics. Im just wondering whether im alone in thinking sites may manipulate card generation to induce max rake by giving players hands they can't get away from. Do some sites do it more then others?

Im not talking about aa vs kk pre flop scenario. Im talking about flopped sets vs flopped straights. Boats vs quads on rivers , nut boats vs straight flush on river with other player needing 2 cards for the straight flush. Nut flush vs straight flush with both players needing 2 cards. Basically hands that will insure that maximum rake is achieved.

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Old 11-26-2009, 01:12 PM   #10648
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Re: Do some sites juice rake more then others?

Either the cards are random, or the site is rigged.

If you're asking "are some sites rigged?", then there's a thread dedicated to these theories / worries / complaints.

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Old 11-26-2009, 01:14 PM   #10649
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i think you are looking for this thread

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...dition-255990/
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:30 PM   #10650
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Re: Do some sites juice rake more then others?

I didn't say rigged as in one player has an unfair advantage over another. Im saying max rake for the site with hand scenarios I mentioned. Too many of those types of hands to be random imo.

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