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Old 11-17-2009, 05:29 PM   #10551
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Yes, it means he will escalate his excuses. Not a hard pattern to anticipate since that is what he has been doing this whole time.

Eventually he will give up and fade away, they always do. Props to him for a bit of staying power.

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No deal. SIGNED BINDING CONTRACT = non negotiable.

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I'm going to renig any offers. I've been "reminded" that is not in my best interest to "prove" or "disprove" anything. My computer has been hacked into.....

I'm done posting on this topic. Believe me or don't. Anyone can purchase hand histories through a database, look at players with suspicious swings, and calculate it on their own.

Even I did not expect all of that so fast. That was some seriously powerful crazy demands then quitting routine. Good job sir/maam/other.
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:30 PM   #10552
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No it doesn't. Simply count how many rivers where you did not have a pair or better. Very simple. Expectation doesn't even matter, as you will find the actual to be very close to the theoretical calculation of ~17.4% where all boards were seen 100% of the time.

Your other ramblings in that post were nonsense, just a way to weasel out when challenged. At least you apologized.
But you never gave the real number, so once you do that, then apology accepted.
I just can't help myself, stupidity here abounds. Easy? LOL. Your not capable of computing this information because you do not understand. It is not simple. from PF to flop is easiest because hand ranges like (10-J and 4-5 hae the same statistical opportunity to improve). Those hands are easy to clasify / seperate and group. Post flop. Since most garbage hands with no draws are folded......One is left with 10's of thousands of hands you have to count every out (opportunity to improve on the turn). Then the same thing with the river. Rough guestimates will be WAY off as it depends largely on playing style and opponents aggressiveness.

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Old 11-17-2009, 05:40 PM   #10553
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I just can't help myself, stupidity here abounds.
Well, that is sort of a general theme of this thread. Don't worry, you fit in in that regard and in a small way made your mark for a short time.

You are still a losing micro stakes player, a few final parting shots on your part before you vanish will not change that fact.

All the best.
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:43 PM   #10554
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I just can't help myself, stupidity here abounds. Easy? LOL. Your not capable of computing this information because you do not understand.


Ok. B'bye now.
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:47 PM   #10555
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I have to apologize for the no pair stat, it was not correct.

I did double checked everything else. Those stats are correct.
Since you have now confirmed the no pair stat is incorrect, I would think at least one other stat is incorrect as well.

I mean if you incorrectly overestimated how many no-pairs you expected to see, and the one pair stat is correct, and your stats previously added up to 100%, it seems certain that one of the other stats is incorrectly underestimated.

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Old 11-17-2009, 05:49 PM   #10556
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I just can't help myself, stupidity here abounds. Easy? LOL. Your not capable of computing this information because you do not understand. It is not simple. from PF to flop is easiest because hand ranges like (10-J and 4-5 hae the same statistical opportunity to improve).
Actually 4-5 has more chance to improve.

Hint: When you see a flop, your opponent(s) all have two cards in their hand.

btw you are picking on the wrong guy a bit, Spadebidder has probably spent more time analysing data on board/holecard distribution than anyone in the world
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:58 PM   #10557
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Pyro - just wanted to comment about your earlier post. Yes, if a player deliberately folded on the turn every time they already had a pair or better, they could dramatically influence the river statistic. But we know that wasn't the case here.
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Old 11-17-2009, 06:56 PM   #10558
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Well, that is sort of a general theme of this thread. Don't worry, you fit in in that regard and in a small way made your mark for a short time.

You are still a losing micro stakes player, a few final parting shots on your part before you vanish will not change that fact.

All the best.
How the hell do you know? This is why THIS THREAD will never prove or disprove anything? Same mother ****ers doing this forum no justice...

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Old 11-17-2009, 06:58 PM   #10559
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Actually 4-5 has more chance to improve.

Hint: When you see a flop, your opponent(s) all have two cards in their hand.

btw you are picking on the wrong guy a bit, Spadebidder has probably spent more time analysing data on board/holecard distribution than anyone in the world
And? Perhaps he should spend more time on his credibility...
(Ignore that Mr.Pokerai)
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:07 PM   #10560
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I thought the All Access gift cards went down...I was trying AP and UB b/c they take any garbage gift cards...Cake and Bodog both denied it....My luck, it went through while I was on the phone w/ all access trying to show them my card wasn't being accepted....
I just think it's funny you keep depositing on the sites that have had shenanigans going on. It's like if someone stole my car then i went and parked my new one in front of the thieves house with the keys in it and then bitched to the cops about not having enough police presence.

Not that people with real complaints against UB/AP shouldn't be taken seriously, its the one of the best ways to clean them up. That and not playing there.

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Old 11-17-2009, 07:27 PM   #10561
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I just think it's funny you keep depositing on the sites that have had shenanigans going on. It's like if someone stole my car then i went and parked my new one in front of the thieves house with the keys in it and then bitched to the cops about not having enough police presence.
Oh my...I hate getting personal and I hate talking about my personal endeavors like I'm better then my neighbor. This isn't a blog site, but here you go.
I bought a prepaid VISA card, which I always use to deposit online, I went to load up my Cake Poker account. Declined, even after waiting 2 hours. I call their(Cake) customer support and they say the issuing bank is declining my transaction, please try another card/method. I'm thinking I buy these all the time and they always work, so maybe (national city, issuing bank) netspend was blocking gambling transactions.

I get on FTP, same thing.
I get on Bodog, same thing.
I log onto 2+2 and post about it.
I go online and register my name address all that to the VISA card, and still no success.
Then I open up Absolute Poker. From what I know they take any credit/debit card in any third world country. Absolute declines my card, so to me it's settled, UIGEA has shut down the all access Visa's.

This was on Sunday and the All Access customer service agents weren't available, so I had to wait till the next day to get an exact answer.

Monday afternoon, I call All access to figure out why my card is being "blocked." As I'm explaining on the phone, I load up AP and punch in the card numbers to show the CS what it was showing, and I get instant approval, for a garbage amount. This is so worthless I will not be proof reading...
Anything else?
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:33 PM   #10562
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Anything else?
I didn't ask you to explain yourslef at all, just making an observation. Keep parking your car in front of the people you think are robbing you. Its all good.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:38 PM   #10563
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I didn't ask you to explain yourslef at all, just making an observation. Keep parking your car in front of the people you think are robbing you. Its all good.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:37 PM   #10564
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"Oh my...I hate getting personal and I hate talking about my personal endeavors like I'm better then my neighbor. This isn't a blog site, but here you go."

Ummm.. what does this have to do with your neighbor? Or this thread?

:scratches head and balls:

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Old 11-17-2009, 09:44 PM   #10565
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The Action Flop Theory especially interests me. ...

The Action Flop Theory states that pros lose more often than they should to keep the newbs in the game. It supports the theory in my OP, that most seemingly disregarded out of hand, that the action is geared to get them to the money. Coupled with a site's ability to manipulate the draw and still pass the RNG audit... I truly believe there's validity to the concerns.
This Action Flop Theory is closest thing to the truth I has read here bout the online scam. But it is not really right.

The poka sites do not care to throw up "Action Flop Cards." And there is no reason why there mischeif has to be done on the FLOP eitha. This is so becuz wat the sites really want to do is KEEP the FISHES in Action, not just has Action Flops.

The sites does this by helping the FISH to win there pots a little bit mo offen than they shud. The sites do this by letting the underdog hand redraw riva cards every now an then.

Not so offen, but enuf to keep the fishes around.

I'm TELLIN yo, this relly is wat actualy happen.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:50 PM   #10566
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racist gimmick ITT
The overdone Stepin Fetchit shuck-n-jive in all your posts is a bit over the top.

ban imo
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:06 AM   #10567
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I never cease to be amazed by the results of this thread's poll. That is all.
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Old 11-18-2009, 02:01 AM   #10568
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So two months until we see OP at the nosebleeds now that she's cracked the case? Railheaven fo sho.
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:33 AM   #10569
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:52 AM   #10570
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Seems ready for a merge to me.
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:02 AM   #10571
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This is why THIS THREAD will never prove or disprove anything?
Actually, pretty much by definition this thread will never prove anything WRT poker being rigged, because all of the evidence-free threads are merged into here. Well-thought out threads that actually have something worthwhile to discuss and even some actual evidence are left alone. If anything substantial ever gets discovered, it will be in one of those threads.

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I never cease to be amazed by the results of this thread's poll. That is all.
Why? I don't even know what the results are right now, and can't remember the last time I looked, because they can be totally skewed by people ****ing with the rigged crowd and voting with them just for fun. I wouldn't be surprised by an 80/20 split in either direction.
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Old 11-18-2009, 09:59 AM   #10572
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I think it's worthless anymore b/c of the trolls that ruin this thread/site....
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Old 11-18-2009, 02:06 PM   #10573
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Since you have now confirmed the no pair stat is incorrect, I would think at least one other stat is incorrect as well.

I mean if you incorrectly overestimated how many no-pairs you expected to see, and the one pair stat is correct, and your stats previously added up to 100%, it seems certain that one of the other stats is incorrectly underestimated.

Actually it was correct in the original paramaters (including turn and river), 31%...improving on river 50% = ???

Anyway there is a vast amount of people here, including yourself, that do not understand statistics well. All anyone here is doing is trying to "debunk" and I know for a fact that some people are paid to "Promote" and "debunk".

I just read the action flop theory which very closely ties into my results. It basically is handicapping. If anyone in the future is interested in the action theory, they can PM me.
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Old 11-18-2009, 02:10 PM   #10574
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LOL at this guy accusing spade and pyro of not understanding stats. He must be a great poker player, he's so good at spotting weakness.
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Old 11-18-2009, 03:04 PM   #10575
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Actually it was correct in the original paramaters (including turn and river), 31%...improving on river 50% = ???
Then why do you expect the other stats not to be similarly affected when you are looking at (turn and river)?
You are comparing all of your expected results to the expected results having dealt out all seven cards, except that you've included lots of hands where only six cards are dealt.

If you do not see that this means that some of your other stats are likely to be underestimated, then I suspect that you don't understand statistics.

http://poker.sportinglife.com/Strate...ry_55895.shtml

Six Card Stud
Flush 0.010108
Straight 0.017763

Seven Card Stud
Flush 0.03025494
Straight 0.04619382

Some unknown proportion of your hands are actually six-card stud, which is why your results don't tally with what you wrote as expected. Note that it's unsurprising that your flush and straight data are so far out, because well over half of all flushes and straights are completed by the final card.

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