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Old 11-11-2009, 03:36 AM   #10351
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:45 AM   #10352
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It's rigged. One day it will be proven. Just a matter of time.

I dont care how the hand is played or who wins it, Im calling now just for the hand histories. Today I got AK. Predicted in chat a big chip loss here, before I played the hand. I raised the AK, you know maybe I should do it like the donkeys do and raise 17 times BB just for the odd chance that they MIGHT FOLD THEIR GARBAGE.

So he calls. Hey nice flop 2 4 6. I bet, pot sized bet. Non of these cards help his hand, right? He calls, turn is 7, hey Im still good I know it. But, I choose to check. River is a Q. Whoops immediately he throws out a big bet. Since I know online poker is rigged, I call many bets just so I can see the hand. I called, he had Q5.

Once in a while, perhaps he makes the pre flop call....I dont think his gutshot draw was worth the pot sized bet that he called. Now if I didnt know online poker was rigged, perhaps I would bet the turn, but by this time Im assuming the little superstar has me beat. And then of course the magical Q on the river. Of course, his sharp style of play and awesome reading ability had him as chip leader very shortly after this.

Its rigged.
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:00 AM   #10353
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you're onto something.
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Old 11-11-2009, 05:35 AM   #10354
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I know Im onto something. Bigger than your little brain will ever be able to fathom. I just raised QK suited. After I sat for 20 hands without playing anything. That would probably make you think Im a tight player, correct? Well, I raised my QK, and the CHIP LEADER, yes, thats right, THE BEST PLAYER AT THE TABLE ACCORDING TO CHIP COUNT, well, I suppose he couldnt see my hole cards, because thats right, he reraised me all in with A2.
****, my raise says I have an ace. It also says ANY ACE I HAVE BEATS YOURS, chip leader, why would you reraise here chip leader?

AND GUESS WHAT? EVEN IF I HAD AN ACE, SAY, ACE SIX OR EVEN ACE KING IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED, BECAUSE YES INDEED, OUR SUPER PLAYER A2 CHIP LEADER DONT FORGET HIT TWO PAIRS WITH HIS A2.

Nothin rigged about it.

And yes, BOTH times I was dealt QK, the ace flopped like it ALWAYS DOES Santa.

Lets try something different. Instead of fighting back and forth, because you people that claim its not rigged have no more proof than I have, (cept for claims by the poker rooms), audits LOLOL LOLOL make me laugh. Lets FORCE ONLINE POKER TO SUBMIT TO A COMPLETE AUDIT OF THEIR ENTIRE OPERATIONS. ALL FLOPS, ALL HANDS PLAYED, ALL ODDS, EVERYTHING.

WHEN YOU HAVE THAT SIGNED BY AN EXPERT POKER PLAYER, WHO HAS NO STAKE IN ONLINE POKER, AND SWEARS ON HIS MOTHERS LIFE ITS NOT RIGGED, THEN MAYBE.

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Old 11-11-2009, 06:38 AM   #10355
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I know Im onto something. Bigger than your little brain will ever be able to fathom. I just raised QK suited. After I sat for 20 hands without playing anything. That would probably make you think Im a tight player, correct? Well, I raised my QK, and the CHIP LEADER, yes, thats right, THE BEST PLAYER AT THE TABLE ACCORDING TO CHIP COUNT, well, I suppose he couldnt see my hole cards, because thats right, he reraised me all in with A2.
****, my raise says I have an ace. It also says ANY ACE I HAVE BEATS YOURS, chip leader, why would you reraise here chip leader?

AND GUESS WHAT? EVEN IF I HAD AN ACE, SAY, ACE SIX OR EVEN ACE KING IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED, BECAUSE YES INDEED, OUR SUPER PLAYER A2 CHIP LEADER DONT FORGET HIT TWO PAIRS WITH HIS A2.

Nothin rigged about it.

And yes, BOTH times I was dealt QK, the ace flopped like it ALWAYS DOES Santa.

Lets try something different. Instead of fighting back and forth, because you people that claim its not rigged have no more proof than I have, (cept for claims by the poker rooms), audits LOLOL LOLOL make me laugh. Lets FORCE ONLINE POKER TO SUBMIT TO A COMPLETE AUDIT OF THEIR ENTIRE OPERATIONS. ALL FLOPS, ALL HANDS PLAYED, ALL ODDS, EVERYTHING.

WHEN YOU HAVE THAT SIGNED BY AN EXPERT POKER PLAYER, WHO HAS NO STAKE IN ONLINE POKER, AND SWEARS ON HIS MOTHERS LIFE ITS NOT RIGGED, THEN MAYBE.
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:13 AM   #10356
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I know Im onto something. Bigger than your little brain will ever be able to fathom. I just raised QK suited. After I sat for 20 hands without playing anything. That would probably make you think Im a tight player, correct? Well, I raised my QK, and the CHIP LEADER, yes, thats right, THE BEST PLAYER AT THE TABLE ACCORDING TO CHIP COUNT, well, I suppose he couldnt see my hole cards, because thats right, he reraised me all in with A2.
****, my raise says I have an ace. It also says ANY ACE I HAVE BEATS YOURS, chip leader, why would you reraise here chip leader?

AND GUESS WHAT? EVEN IF I HAD AN ACE, SAY, ACE SIX OR EVEN ACE KING IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED, BECAUSE YES INDEED, OUR SUPER PLAYER A2 CHIP LEADER DONT FORGET HIT TWO PAIRS WITH HIS A2.

Nothin rigged about it.

And yes, BOTH times I was dealt QK, the ace flopped like it ALWAYS DOES Santa.

Lets try something different. Instead of fighting back and forth, because you people that claim its not rigged have no more proof than I have, (cept for claims by the poker rooms), audits LOLOL LOLOL make me laugh. Lets FORCE ONLINE POKER TO SUBMIT TO A COMPLETE AUDIT OF THEIR ENTIRE OPERATIONS. ALL FLOPS, ALL HANDS PLAYED, ALL ODDS, EVERYTHING.

WHEN YOU HAVE THAT SIGNED BY AN EXPERT POKER PLAYER, WHO HAS NO STAKE IN ONLINE POKER, AND SWEARS ON HIS MOTHERS LIFE ITS NOT RIGGED, THEN MAYBE.

I have to TY for your posts I haven't laughed so ****ing hard in a long time, I actually fell off my chair. Please keep your ridiculous riggtard posts coming, it's better then most any comedy show I've seen lately
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:18 AM   #10357
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Clever. Hey, after my last post, the first hand I was dealt next, QQ, CUTOFF. TWO BEHIND ME ACTIVE. IT COMES AROUND TO ME. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SQUEEZE QQ THROUGH WITHOUT ANY OF THE DONKEYS BEHIND ME RERAISING ME. First hand of the game, so there are THREE active. I try the big raise, 6X pre. I get pushed.

YOU DONT SAY? I GOT PUSHED AFTER I RAISED QQ. HEY, GUESS WHAT CLEVER BOY? THATS RIGHT, HE HAD A-10, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SUPPOSE THEY DONT LIKE TO MAKE YOU WAIT, THE FIRST CARD IS AN ACE.

WHOSE THE MUPPET? IDIOTS WHO DEFEND THIS BLATANTLY RIGGED BULL****, THATS WHO.

MY HAND HISTORY FROM TODAY ALONE WOULD PROVE THERE ISNT A GOD DAMNED RANDOM THING HAPPENING IN ONLINE POKER.

WOW, RERAISE A2, RERAISE A-10, ****, WHEN I DO THAT (BUT I SUPPOSE THAT IS MY PROBLEM, I JUST CANT RERAISE WITH HANDS LIKE THAT, CALL ME SUPERSTITIOUS), WITH MY AQ, YOU CAN BE ****ING WELL SURE IM OUTKICKED.

ANYONE WHO DEFENDS ONLINE POKER IS A LIAR OR IS IN ON IT, WHICH ARE YOU?
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:25 AM   #10358
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Your use of capital letters does make your argument much more convincing.
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:26 AM   #10359
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:34 AM   #10361
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Clever. Hey, after my last post, the first hand I was dealt next, QQ, CUTOFF. TWO BEHIND ME ACTIVE. IT COMES AROUND TO ME. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SQUEEZE QQ THROUGH WITHOUT ANY OF THE DONKEYS BEHIND ME RERAISING ME. First hand of the game, so there are THREE active. I try the big raise, 6X pre. I get pushed.

YOU DONT SAY? I GOT PUSHED AFTER I RAISED QQ. HEY, GUESS WHAT CLEVER BOY? THATS RIGHT, HE HAD A-10, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SUPPOSE THEY DONT LIKE TO MAKE YOU WAIT, THE FIRST CARD IS AN ACE.

WHOSE THE MUPPET? IDIOTS WHO DEFEND THIS BLATANTLY RIGGED BULL****, THATS WHO.

MY HAND HISTORY FROM TODAY ALONE WOULD PROVE THERE ISNT A GOD DAMNED RANDOM THING HAPPENING IN ONLINE POKER.

WOW, RERAISE A2, RERAISE A-10, ****, WHEN I DO THAT (BUT I SUPPOSE THAT IS MY PROBLEM, I JUST CANT RERAISE WITH HANDS LIKE THAT, CALL ME SUPERSTITIOUS), WITH MY AQ, YOU CAN BE ****ING WELL SURE IM OUTKICKED.

ANYONE WHO DEFENDS ONLINE POKER IS A LIAR OR IS IN ON IT, WHICH ARE YOU?



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Old 11-11-2009, 07:50 AM   #10362
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I should take your word over the thousands upon thousands of people who question online poker's "randomness"?

Man, you are pretty full of yourself, aren't you?

PROVE ITS NOT RIGGED.

Then Ill pretend you exist.

Maybe.
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I should take your word over the thousands upon thousands of people who question online poker's "randomness"?

Man, you are pretty full of yourself, aren't you?

PROVE ITS NOT RIGGED.

Then Ill pretend you exist.

Maybe.
The burden of proof is on you and the other riggtards You show proof it's rigged then we will believe you, you might even become famous
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:56 AM   #10364
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I should take your word over the thousands upon thousands of people who question online poker's "randomness"?

Man, you are pretty full of yourself, aren't you?

PROVE ITS NOT RIGGED.

Then Ill pretend you exist.

Maybe.
what sort of rigging do you suspect?
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:39 AM   #10365
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WHOSE THE MUPPET? IDIOTS WHO DEFEND THIS BLATANTLY RIGGED BULL****, THATS WHO.
Nope, just you. Thanks, I needed a laugh.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:01 AM   #10366
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I know Im onto something. Bigger than your little brain will ever be able to fathom. I just raised QK suited. After I sat for 20 hands without playing anything. That would probably make you think Im a tight player, correct? Well, I raised my QK, and the CHIP LEADER, yes, thats right, THE BEST PLAYER AT THE TABLE ACCORDING TO CHIP COUNT, well, I suppose he couldnt see my hole cards, because thats right, he reraised me all in with A2.
****, my raise says I have an ace. It also says ANY ACE I HAVE BEATS YOURS, chip leader, why would you reraise here chip leader?
so you're saying that his raise should mean that he has a hand that beats your supposed holding (strong ace or better) and yet you called with KQ?

and your conclusion is that because of this, together with the fact that the better hand held up, the game must be rigged?

nice level sir. better than most before you.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:03 AM   #10367
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what sort of rigging do you suspect?
he said above it's to boost rake.

of course that only works for cash games.

in tourneys they are rigging it by making the short stacks do poor calls when the bigger stack has a better hand. at least that's what I get from it.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:22 AM   #10368
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This all caps guy is probably just donko's latest troll gimmick routine anyway (guessing a moderator could do an IP check if bored), but a common belief within the genuine riggedologist claims is that the sites would of course cheat, I mean why not?

At this point I would be happy if they just explain why the sites would cheat specifically them while helping other players just like them at the same time (micro stakes losing players). Also, if they include more lizard people in their beliefs that would be appreciated.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:53 AM   #10369
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Clever. Hey, after my last post, the first hand I was dealt next, QQ, CUTOFF. TWO BEHIND ME ACTIVE. IT COMES AROUND TO ME. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SQUEEZE QQ THROUGH WITHOUT ANY OF THE DONKEYS BEHIND ME RERAISING ME. First hand of the game, so there are THREE active. I try the big raise, 6X pre. I get pushed.

YOU DONT SAY? I GOT PUSHED AFTER I RAISED QQ. HEY, GUESS WHAT CLEVER BOY? THATS RIGHT, HE HAD A-10, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SUPPOSE THEY DONT LIKE TO MAKE YOU WAIT, THE FIRST CARD IS AN ACE.

WHOSE THE MUPPET? IDIOTS WHO DEFEND THIS BLATANTLY RIGGED BULL****, THATS WHO.

MY HAND HISTORY FROM TODAY ALONE WOULD PROVE THERE ISNT A GOD DAMNED RANDOM THING HAPPENING IN ONLINE POKER.

WOW, RERAISE A2, RERAISE A-10, ****, WHEN I DO THAT (BUT I SUPPOSE THAT IS MY PROBLEM, I JUST CANT RERAISE WITH HANDS LIKE THAT, CALL ME SUPERSTITIOUS), WITH MY AQ, YOU CAN BE ****ING WELL SURE IM OUTKICKED.

ANYONE WHO DEFENDS ONLINE POKER IS A LIAR OR IS IN ON IT, WHICH ARE YOU?
So, Mr Muppet.

Please answer just one question for us.

Just one.

If the game is so obviously rigged against you, WHY THE F*** ARE YOU STILL PLAYING?

That's it, just that one question.

Over to you ...
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Old 11-11-2009, 02:19 PM   #10370
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So, Mr Muppet.

Please answer just one question for us.

Just one.

If the game is so obviously rigged against you, WHY THE F*** ARE YOU STILL PLAYING?

That's it, just that one question.

Over to you ...
It's obvious, he's a winning player...oh wait...
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:07 PM   #10371
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How arrogant...and may how paranoid are people who think that the poker sites have singled them out from all the hundreds of thousands of players for the doomswitch treatment.

If major poker sites were cheating people then these forums would be jammed with millions...and I mean many millions...of examples. Instead all we get are sad fools who believe that it's them that have been selected for some reason we can never quite fathom.

Bad luck is when paranoia and ignorance meets large numbers.

I don't know how many millions of hands are dealt every day...let's say 10 million. That means a 1 in 10million chance of something happening is a daily event. And it's not a surprise...indeed it would be a surprise if it didn't happen.

One last example for all the donks who don't understand large numbers.

100 million people flip a coin. 50/50 Heads and Tails. Each time the winners retire and the losers reflip...time after time...winners retiring and losers reflipping...until there's just one person left.

That would happen after about 27 flips. Yes...it's possible...and in this example it's certain that someone could flip Tails 27 times in a row.

So...if it happened in the USA where there are 300 million people...then it would be a daily occurrence that 3 people would be 1 in a 100 million...every day.

Now that you've read this Criminalenterprise go away and have a cold shower and then STFU.
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:14 PM   #10372
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100 million people flip a coin. 50/50 Heads and Tails. Each time the winners retire and the losers reflip...time after time...winners retiring and losers reflipping...until there's just one person left.

That would happen after about 27 flips. Yes...it's possible...and in this example it's certain that someone could flip Tails 27 times in a row.
Change this to 10,000 professional money managers picking stocks for a year at a time, and after 12 years you have two world-famous fund managers that everyone wants to invest millions with, and 9998 has-beens who were unlucky throwing the dart at the newspaper. In reality those two guys believe they are geniuses, but usually they are merely survivors.
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:20 PM   #10373
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I think full tilt HU SnGs are now rigged............I am a winning player and have won over 20k playing Hu Sngs since this May.
Possibly the best evidence in this thread that sites might actually be rigged^^^.
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I don't know how many millions of hands are dealt every day...let's say 10 million. That means a 1 in 10million chance of something happening is a daily event.
Actually, I am not sure that is correct, I am sure there is a significant chance of it happening but it is not a certainty.

I'll call on spade to show the math behind this ie: what are the odds of a single chosen number being picked out of 1,000,000 after 1 million separate random draws.

I am going to totally guess and say the odds of it being picked at least once is about 70%.

Not to detract from the point you are trying to make. Usually when riggedologists claim the odds of a scenario they are off by a huge amount. 1 in 25 becomes 1 in 1,000 etc, and they only remember the times they lose so it adds up to a mess.
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Change this to 10,000 professional money managers picking stocks for a year at a time, and after 12 years you have two world-famous fund managers that everyone wants to invest millions with, and 9998 has-beens who were unlucky throwing the dart at the newspaper. In reality those two guys believe they are geniuses, but usually they are merely survivors.
Money managers get 3-5 % interest, poker players pay 4-23% fees
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