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Old 11-07-2009, 03:09 PM   #10276
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Cliffs? Who is he/she? What did he/she do?
They claimed to have started 30+ poker accounts to "test" the theory that new accounts/dormant accounts are given a hot run.
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Old 11-07-2009, 03:34 PM   #10277
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They claimed to have started 30+ poker accounts to "test" the theory that new accounts/dormant accounts are given a hot run.
Did he post any of his evidence before being banned? I stopped reading when he said it took about 20 minutes to switch between machine images
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:39 PM   #10278
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Did he post any of his evidence before being banned? I stopped reading when he said it took about 20 minutes to switch between machine images
No, and he was apparently someone's alt, so shockingly, there was probably no proof.
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:53 PM   #10279
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I know you're being facetious here, but the actual chance of 4 pocket pairs missing their sets on an entire 5-card board is pretty high... about 34.7%!

(36/44)*(35/43)*(34/42)*(33/41)*(32/40)
I would do it as C(36,5) / C(44,5) which is equivalent.

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Old 11-07-2009, 11:36 PM   #10280
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What is to stop somebody from creating this:

http://www.getacoder.com/projects/po...er_113108.html

Wait for your site to launch and have full capabilities of hacking that poker site like the scam site they REFERENCE....But it's been sold to you, under your name.
Of course there's nothing to stop someone creating their own online poker server. That's the beauty of the industry: if you think you can do a better job, you can start your own online poker site.
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Old 11-08-2009, 03:49 AM   #10281
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Despite Donko being pretty much an obvious troll, I just got the fun lag during a hand with this hand and figured I'd clutter the thread up a bit.


Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $2.90
MP: $0.70
CO: $3.71
BTN: $6.59
Hero (SB): $2.94
BB: $1.97

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with K K
1 fold, MP raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.32, 1 fold, MP raises to $0.70 all in, Hero calls $0.38

I raised big because the shorty had been shoving pre a ton, and this raise made it look like they wanted action. Luckily we both had the "show hands when all in" option on, so the cards were flipped, Hero's KK versus villain's GrannyMae, Q5.

Flop: ($1.42) 9 K 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Looking pretty good here, basically a lock.

Turn: ($1.42) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Here's where the lag made an appearance, it hung for a bit before I saw the river, and I admit I got a bit nervous.

Spoiler:


I am not trying to be a troll, but it just happens sometimes. I guess I do get a little mischievious. Is it so bad to try and have some fun while you are learning? I just like to play both sides of the fence sometimes because I am not 100% trusting of any site. I am a recovering rigtard, so I have temporary relapses. You guys do make it fun to little molitov cocktails into the mix though. Josem answered my question nicely offline. Class act that guy is.

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Old 11-08-2009, 03:55 AM   #10282
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Class act that guy is.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:51 AM   #10283
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Of course there's nothing to stop someone creating their own online poker server. That's the beauty of the industry: if you think you can do a better job, you can start your own online poker site.
Yes, and for $1000 to $3000 you can expect to something pretty sophisticated and well tested.

That has to be a level, right?
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Old 11-08-2009, 04:17 PM   #10284
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Yes, and for $1000 to $3000 you can expect to something pretty sophisticated and well tested.

That has to be a level, right?
No, obviously paying $5k isn't going to be sufficient. But compared to most 'old economy' industries the barrier to entry is going to be much lower.
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Old 11-08-2009, 04:36 PM   #10285
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The illuminati and fulltilt connection, is this even remotely possible...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPyRlj5HpIs
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Old 11-08-2009, 05:39 PM   #10286
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The illuminati and fulltilt connection, is this even remotely possible...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPyRlj5HpIs
wow.
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:04 PM   #10287
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Today I quit online poker (I freakin' mean it this time, buddy). This was the last mother-f'n straw. I'll make the 35 min. drive to the Casino. Here's why:


Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players
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TheExcession (UTG+1): t1060 M = 23.56
diggdodger (MP1): t1520 M = 33.78
LKHOS (MP2): t825 M = 18.33
ezmp (CO): t1390 M = 30.89
PeterG86 (BTN): t1515 M = 33.67
lazEboy673 (SB): t4965 M = 110.33
Hero (BB): t990 M = 22
mej500 (UTG): t1235 M = 27.44

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with T K
2 folds, diggdodger calls t30, LKHOS raises to t60, 3 folds, Hero calls t30, diggdodger calls t30

Flop: (t195) T Q K (3 players)
Hero checks, diggdodger checks, LKHOS bets t120, Hero raises to t930 all in, diggdodger folds, LKHOS calls t645 all in

Turn: (t1725) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t1725) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t1725
LKHOS shows 2 6 (three of a kind, Deuces)
Hero shows T K (two pair, Kings and Tens)
LKHOS wins t1725



How could anyone make this call unless they could see the board? I know people make frustration calls preflop w/ any 2, but on the flop? With 6-2 and no clubs? What possible justification could there be other than cheating?

This has happened to me several times over the past couple of years. You would expect to win some of these. But every time someone makes an unexplainable call like this, boom! They hit the f'n Lotto!

I keep waiting for someone to make a call like this and lose the hand, but no. They always win. When I get a super-weird call that makes absolutely no sense, it's gotten to the point I know I've lost the hand as soon as I see their stupid f'n cards. I just sit back and watch the impossible unfold. As soon as I saw the mother-f'n 6-2, I actually yelled out loud "six-six"! I knew something very, very strange and fubb-kupped was about to happen to me. I missed, but I was close.

This NEVER happens live. In the history of live poker no one has ever made a dick call like this.

These douches always seem to be from Russia or Eastern Europe.

Please, someone explain this to me! Why is it not possible to crack the RNG? Why do these guys only make these calls when they hit? Why do I never get to laugh after the hand and say "dumbest call of all time, douchebag! What were you thinking, dicknose"?

I'm done with on-line poker! I mean it! Done, done, done, done, finished, forever! And yes, I'm pissed-off!!

Now I have to go and kick the dog for a few minutes. Here Nappy....Here Nappy...While the wife's out....Here boy....Where's my frickin' Zoloft....Here boy....

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Old 11-08-2009, 08:14 PM   #10288
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Today I quit online poker (I freakin' mean it this time, buddy). This was the last mother-f'n straw. I'll make the 35 min. drive to the Casino. Here's why:

How could anyone make this call unless they could see the board? I know people make frustration calls preflop w/ any 2, but on the flop? With 6-2 and no clubs? What possible justification could there be other than cheating?
Two reasons

1) Poker Stars $10+$1

$11 is not life changing money to everyone.

2) He sucks.

If you actually bothered to check his lifetime stats you will see he is just a bad player with a pretty advanced downhill ski slope as his chart for the few dozen tournaments he has played in.


But who knows, maybe he just used his special powers against you and is staying under the radar by losing a lot otherwise.

Sounds like you have some sound reasoning skills.
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:18 PM   #10289
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2) He sucks.

If you actually bothered to check his lifetime stats you will see he is just a bad player with a pretty advanced downhill ski slope as his chart for the few dozen tournaments he has played in.
Obviously a Stars superbot, who steals other players' equity in tournaments to pass along to other superbots to mincash to keep things hidden.
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:18 PM   #10290
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This NEVER happens live. In the history of live poker no one has ever made a dick call like this.
Of course it happens live, by drunk players, first-time players (this was a $10 tourney), players on tilt, players who feel like gambling, players who have to get up and go for whatever reason so they shove ATC, etc etc. All these things happen online even more.
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:20 PM   #10291
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LKHOS wins t1725

How could anyone make this call unless they could see the board? I know people make frustration calls preflop w/ any 2, but on the flop? With 6-2 and no clubs? What possible justification could there be other than cheating?
a sick beat, for sure... check out his PTR stats... hardly the graph of a player who has cracked the RNG... just another idiot

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Old 11-08-2009, 09:08 PM   #10292
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Of course it happens live, by drunk players, first-time players (this was a $10 tourney), players on tilt, players who feel like gambling, players who have to get up and go for whatever reason so they shove ATC, etc etc. All these things happen online even more.

One time I did ask a player what he was thinking on a similarly strange play (he called an all in preflop with 52 o for 40 BB in a large MTT when he had been playing reasonable until then).

He explained that he had to pick up his hash and would be afk for 45 minutes so figure he may as well try to double/triple or else get blinded out.

He made the +EV play given his narcotic needs.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:26 PM   #10293
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If you actually bothered to check his lifetime stats you will see he is just a bad player with a pretty advanced downhill ski slope as his chart for the few dozen tournaments he has played in.


I wouldn't expect his stats to be impressive. A cheater would have to look like an idiot. He would never win, just grab chips and dump them to a partner.

And CALL ALL-IN with 6 high on the flop? On that board? No one would ever do this. Maybe shove PF, but nobody would be drunk enough, late enough, bored enough, horny enough, etc. He could only win with 66, 22, or 62. What are the odds? Less than 1%? Just shove on the next hand PF if you gotta go.

But whatever the odds, you're missing my point. This has come up only 4 or 5 times the last couple of years. A few hands out of hundreds of thousands. A guy makes what seems to be the worst call of all time, really unexplainable. And each time it's happened, they hit their hand. Why can't someone make a truly horrible call; no, worse than horrible, unexplainably bad, and miss. People make horrendous calls all the time. I'm talking about the really special calls, those with no explaination. These are the ones I've lost, and never won.

If cheating software could exist, and I'm not saying it does or did (I'm just pissed right now), you would still have to be smart to use it. Without being obvious. If this software got in the hands of someone not too bright, or a little too greedy, it would be easy to spot. Like when you call AI with nothing and hit running 2's to win.

Flame away, shills.

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Old 11-08-2009, 09:42 PM   #10294
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But whatever the odds, you're missing my point. This has come up only 4 or 5 times the last couple of years. A few hands out of hundreds of thousands. A guy makes what seems to be the worst call of all time, really unexplainable. And each time it's happened, they hit their hand. Why can't someone make a truly horrible call; no, worse than horrible, unexplainably bad, and miss.
In hundreds of thousands of hands, you've only seen 4 or 5 people make completely ******ed calls?

Move down where they don't respect your raises, I guess?
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I wouldn't expect his stats to be impressive. A cheater would have to look like an idiot. He would never win, just grab chips and dump them to a partner.
So your theory is that he is working with a partner and dumping his chips and losing pretty much all of his sit and gos on purpose as part of a team effort?

What an interesting theory.



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And CALL ALL-IN with 6 high on the flop? On that board? No one would ever do this. Maybe shove PF, but nobody would be drunk enough, late enough, bored enough, horny enough, etc. He could only win with 66, 22, or 62. What are the odds? Less than 1%? Just shove on the next hand PF if you gotta go.
A guy who is drunk may. A guy who misclicked may. A guy who has no idea how to play may.

Why is it that it has to be an intentionally losing super user in conjunction with a partner in your eyes?

Are you drunk?



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But whatever the odds, you're missing my point. This has come up only 4 or 5 times the last couple of years. A few hands out of hundreds of thousands. A guy makes what seems to be the worst call of all time, really unexplainable.
It's been explained.

He sucks. That's why is is a perma losing player.

Perma losing players make a lot of bad plays.

Once in a while they will win one of these due to the math of the game.



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And each time it's happened, they hit their hand.
You don't remember when they miss. I see these idiots every day.

They miss a lot.

That's why they perma lose, even if they get lucky once in a while.


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Why can't someone make a truly horrible call; no, worse than horrible, unexplainably bad, and miss. People make horrendous calls all the time. I'm talking about the really special calls, those with no explaination.
It has been explained, they suck. That's why they always lose.


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These are the ones I've lost, and never won.
I'll explain this statement as well.

This is called a lie said because you have the emotional stability of a 2 year old (a moody one).



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If cheating software could exist, and I'm not saying it does or did (I'm just pissed right now), you would still have to be smart to use it. Without being obvious. If this software got in the hands of someone not too bright, or a little too greedy, it would be easy to spot. Like when you call AI with nothing and hit running 2's to win.
Yeah, a good plan is to wait for insane beats that really stand out to use that superuser info. Don't bet people off hands when you know they will fold and nobody will see your hand, save up for the glitzy runner runner wacky beats everyone can see. Meanwhile, continue to lose a lot of money to hide what you are doing.

Better if you work with a partner as well.

Seems reasonable.



Grow up.
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Old 11-09-2009, 04:26 AM   #10296
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I wouldn't expect his stats to be impressive. A cheater would have to look like an idiot. He would never win, just grab chips and dump them to a partner.

And CALL ALL-IN with 6 high on the flop? On that board? No one would ever do this. Maybe shove PF, but nobody would be drunk enough, late enough, bored enough, horny enough, etc. He could only win with 66, 22, or 62. What are the odds? Less than 1%? Just shove on the next hand PF if you gotta go.

But whatever the odds, you're missing my point. This has come up only 4 or 5 times the last couple of years. A few hands out of hundreds of thousands. A guy makes what seems to be the worst call of all time, really unexplainable. And each time it's happened, they hit their hand. Why can't someone make a truly horrible call; no, worse than horrible, unexplainably bad, and miss. People make horrendous calls all the time. I'm talking about the really special calls, those with no explaination. These are the ones I've lost, and never won.
and this is the kind of stuff you NEVER see in live games.

if i cant see the cards being dealt, and someone calls an all in with 6 high and 3 percent to win the hand and ends up winning, then there has to be some element of artificiality involved. its just that simple. you just dont see this stuff in REAL live poker games.

but if you guys wanna continue to sit in your bedrooms, 6-tabling on pokerstars while bragging about how good your preflop statistics are, then go right ahead....
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Old 11-09-2009, 05:02 AM   #10297
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Did you guys see Ivey's AK < AQ? Live poker is so rigged.
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Old 11-09-2009, 05:11 AM   #10298
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if i cant see the cards being dealt, and someone calls an all in with 6 high and 3 percent to win the hand and ends up winning, then there has to be some element of artificiality involved. its just that simple. you just dont see this stuff in REAL live poker games
So the 3 percenters don't win 3 percent of the time live?

Sounds to me like live poker is rigged.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:07 AM   #10299
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and this is the kind of stuff you NEVER see in live games.

if i cant see the cards being dealt, and someone calls an all in with 6 high and 3 percent to win the hand and ends up winning, then there has to be some element of artificiality involved. its just that simple. you just dont see this stuff in REAL live poker games.
wtf, no.

a pretty core part of the whole 'random' thing is that anything can happen. how can you simultaneously complain that the dealing is not random, and as proof of that, show something very random?
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and this is the kind of stuff you NEVER see in live games.

if i cant see the cards being dealt, and someone calls an all in with 6 high and 3 percent to win the hand and ends up winning, then there has to be some element of artificiality involved. its just that simple. you just dont see this stuff in REAL live poker games.

but if you guys wanna continue to sit in your bedrooms, 6-tabling on pokerstars while bragging about how good your preflop statistics are, then go right ahead....
Hey there! Welcome back! Did you ever end up reading the whole thread?
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