Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > > >

Discussion of Poker Sites General discussion of online poker sites.

View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes 3,444 34.94%
No 5,522 56.02%
Undecided 892 9.05%
Voters: 9858. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-26-2009, 10:33 PM   #1001
Monteroy
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 14,035
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Is it really too much to ask for rigged people to come up with better theories then action flops/hands, which would be among the dumbest methods of rigging in terms of rewards and getting caught.

Also, the "prove it is not rigged" belief structure (disproving negatives - good times) is stale as well. I will do that once they prove to me that Lizard People are not secretly in control of the world.


At least this strange prove live hands are the same as online one is sort of funny and a tad different, even though it makes no real sense. If anything, hand histories from online make it much easier to catch mathematical issues if they actually existed, but I guess dull ol boring logic is not a real factor in this type of debate.

At least that is what the Lizard People told me to say.
Monteroy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2009, 10:40 PM   #1002
farf
newbie
 
farf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 17
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

For the record, I cannot and will not prove to you that Lizard People are not in control of the world because they are currently selling their mecenary skills to the pirates in their multi-verse battle against the ninjas, who are currently have control of the overseers tower and are thus controlling the planet earth.

That being said, and logic be damned, we all know that live poker is more rigged than online poker. Why else would wired Aces lose to 7-2 ever.
farf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2009, 11:09 PM   #1003
Markusgc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Markusgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Noodles, Hockey & Punk Rock!
Posts: 8,788
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy View Post
I will do that once they prove to me that Lizard People are not secretly in control of the world.
...

At least that is what the Lizard People told me to say.
Quote:
Originally Posted by farf View Post
For the record, I cannot and will not prove to you that Lizard People are not in control of the world because they are currently selling their mecenary skills to the pirates in their multi-verse battle against the ninjas, who are currently have control of the overseers tower and are thus controlling the planet earth.
What do lizards have to do with this.
Markusgc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2009, 11:30 PM   #1004
Markusgc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Markusgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Noodles, Hockey & Punk Rock!
Posts: 8,788
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

It is now time for me to where my shirt at the next poker torn i play exposeing this con
Markusgc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2009, 11:34 PM   #1005
makeit3bets
old hand
 
makeit3bets's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Rambling
Posts: 1,810
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusgc View Post
It is now time for me to where my shirt at the next poker torn i play exposeing this con
Someone's drunk haha
makeit3bets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2009, 11:36 PM   #1006
Markusgc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Markusgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Noodles, Hockey & Punk Rock!
Posts: 8,788
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by makeit3bets View Post
Someone's RIGTARDED haha
JUST COMPLETED 320 HANDS ALL INS 68% OF 25% FAV OR WORSE WON YOU CHEATS

hELLO MR OUR SOFTWARE REFKECTS NATH PROBABILITY. HAVE PLAYED 23 HANDS SEEN 2 FOUR OF A KINDS BOTH FLOPPED ACE KING AND STRAIGHT FLUSH ANOTHER HAND FULL HOUSE 2 OF AND SEVERAL SUC OUTS AS ALWAYS FROM UNDER DOG. YOU EITHER ARE QUIRE DUMB OR LIE TO PROTECT YOUR COMPANY. ONLINE IS SO BENT

Last edited by Markusgc; 03-26-2009 at 11:36 PM. Reason: hope Mr. Rini doesn't mind me borrowing his special 'tard for a minute. I'll give him back anytime he says.
Markusgc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2009, 11:53 PM   #1007
farf
newbie
 
farf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 17
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Is it wrong that I understood this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusgc View Post
JUST COMPLETED 320 HANDS ALL INS 68% OF 25% FAV OR WORSE WON YOU CHEATS

hELLO MR OUR SOFTWARE REFKECTS NATH PROBABILITY. HAVE PLAYED 23 HANDS SEEN 2 FOUR OF A KINDS BOTH FLOPPED ACE KING AND STRAIGHT FLUSH ANOTHER HAND FULL HOUSE 2 OF AND SEVERAL SUC OUTS AS ALWAYS FROM UNDER DOG. YOU EITHER ARE QUIRE DUMB OR LIE TO PROTECT YOUR COMPANY. ONLINE IS SO BENT
More than this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusgc View Post
It is now time for me to where my shirt at the next poker torn i play exposeing this con
As to this...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusgc View Post
According to the High Regulations of the 712th Council of Planets, I cannot answer that question with any statement other than poker is, or is not, possibly, fixed, rigged, fair and impartial
farf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 12:07 AM   #1008
Markusgc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Markusgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Noodles, Hockey & Punk Rock!
Posts: 8,788
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by farf View Post
According to the High Regulations of the 712th Council of Planets, I cannot answer that question with any statement other than poker is, or is not, possibly, fixed, rigged, fair and impartial
ALIENS? WELL PEOPLE MADE SPECULATION THAT THEIR ARE ALIENS....WE STILL LOOKED! WE LOOKED TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND PROOF THAT THERE WASN'T...WE'RE LOOKING ON MARS FOR WATER TO SEE IF LIFE EXISTED?! IF WE WERE ALL RIGHT LIKE YOU...NASA WOULD SAY, "PROVE THERE WAS LIFE ON ANOTHER PLANET BEFORE THEN WE'LL GO LOOK!" WELL PEOPLE MADE SPECULATION...NOW NASA AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE BEEN AND ARE STILL LOOKING B/C IT'S POSSIBLE AND IT'S WORTH FINDING OUT. NASA AND THE CIA DIDN'T RIP PEOPLE APART FOR SPECULATING? DIDNT OSTRACIZE THEM FROM THE COUNTRY...
Markusgc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 12:15 AM   #1009
farf
newbie
 
farf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 17
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusgc View Post
ALIENS? WELL PEOPLE MADE SPECULATION THAT THEIR ARE ALIENS....WE STILL LOOKED! WE LOOKED TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND PROOF THAT THERE WASN'T...WE'RE LOOKING ON MARS FOR WATER TO SEE IF LIFE EXISTED?! IF WE WERE ALL RIGHT LIKE YOU...NASA WOULD SAY, "PROVE THERE WAS LIFE ON ANOTHER PLANET BEFORE THEN WE'LL GO LOOK!" WELL PEOPLE MADE SPECULATION...NOW NASA AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE BEEN AND ARE STILL LOOKING B/C IT'S POSSIBLE AND IT'S WORTH FINDING OUT. NASA AND THE CIA DIDN'T RIP PEOPLE APART FOR SPECULATING? DIDNT OSTRACIZE THEM FROM THE COUNTRY...
Sorry, I'm confused. Are you agreeing with me and my previous statements about how 100K hands are not enough to conclude if online poker is rigged or are you being mean because "you know" online poker is rigged.

And there isn't life on Mars anymore because the Ninjas killed them off because they thought the Martians, who were really mostly innocent bystanders with some real bad eggs running the show...of course the part about the 'bad eggs' that were running the show had being put in power by the ninjas in the first place as they helped usurp the planet from the previous "bad aliens" was ignored, but I digress, had nuclear weapons plants disguised as underground poker clubs that only dealt from rigged decks. Of course the entire thing was set up by the Lizardmen, who as was previously mentioned were being paid by the Pirates, to determine the strength of the Ninjas Weapons of Mass destruction.
farf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 12:17 AM   #1010
Markusgc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Markusgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Noodles, Hockey & Punk Rock!
Posts: 8,788
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Markusgc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 12:19 AM   #1011
farf
newbie
 
farf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 17
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusgc View Post
OMG, I have one of those too


Freakin Awesome!!!!

Last edited by farf; 03-27-2009 at 12:23 AM. Reason: To give props to Markusgc
farf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 03:29 AM   #1012
yuyafox
journeyman
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 378
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"



the first on is on ftp,the second one is on stars,they are in the same period and i play the same.i don't believe it's just variance.
yuyafox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 04:15 AM   #1013
Rek
HUZA 2008
 
Rek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London
Posts: 10,034
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by yuyafox View Post


the first on is on ftp,the second one is on stars,they are in the same period and i play the same.i don't believe it's just variance.

So which one do you think is rigged?
Rek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 05:24 AM   #1014
qpw
banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pulling the tails of rigtards
Posts: 4,019
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by yuyafox View Post


the first on is on ftp,the second one is on stars,they are in the same period and i play the same.i don't believe it's just variance.
OK, I'm convinced.

It's quite obvious to me now that Stars are rigging the deal so that you do not become disillusioned by the natural variance (illustrated on the FT graph).

I'm cashing out from Stars right now.

No, wait ...


Edit: Notice how Stars have allowed just a hint of variance around the 45k-58k hand mark so that the graph does not look too suspicious.

Damn crafty these Manxmen!
qpw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 12:43 PM   #1015
yuyafox
journeyman
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 378
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

if you guys think that i am a bad player and stars is rigged because they are helping me winning money and ftp is so decent as they are telling me how bad i really am,i woudn't debate about that.

i know there is no way i can prove that ftp is rigged but can you prove it isn't? how many scandals already exposed in financial sectors that didn't shock you?

i didn't claim that ftp is rigged but if it is,i wouldn't be surprised at all.i just showed you my experience.

i assume most 2+2ers should have enough knowledge and skill to beat 10nl and below and i have seen people complianing that they are winning at stars but losing at ftp because they have much more coolers and bad beats at ftp.i would like to know if there is anyone who wins at ftp and lose at stars?

OK,i know life is rigged and even if some sites are rigged,winning players are still winning so i'd better learn to adopt to it.
yuyafox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 01:20 PM   #1016
Mitch Evans
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,633
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by yuyafox View Post
if you guys think that i am a bad player and stars is rigged because they are helping me winning money and ftp is so decent as they are telling me how bad i really am,i woudn't debate about that.

i know there is no way i can prove that ftp is rigged but can you prove it isn't? how many scandals already exposed in financial sectors that didn't shock you?

i didn't claim that ftp is rigged but if it is,i wouldn't be surprised at all.i just showed you my experience.

i assume most 2+2ers should have enough knowledge and skill to beat 10nl and below and i have seen people complianing that they are winning at stars but losing at ftp because they have much more coolers and bad beats at ftp.i would like to know if there is anyone who wins at ftp and lose at stars?

OK,i know life is rigged and even if some sites are rigged,winning players are still winning so i'd better learn to adopt to it.
Yeah, you lost $80 in 40k hands. How can you draw conclusions based on this?
Mitch Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 01:33 PM   #1017
Monteroy
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 14,035
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by yuyafox View Post
if you guys think that i am a bad player and stars is rigged because they are helping me winning money and ftp is so decent as they are telling me how bad i really am,i woudn't debate about that.

i know there is no way i can prove that ftp is rigged but can you prove it isn't? how many scandals already exposed in financial sectors that didn't shock you?

i didn't claim that ftp is rigged but if it is,i wouldn't be surprised at all.i just showed you my experience.


From Full Tilt's perspective you are clearly a losing player, so would it not fit that they would rig it to help you based on your losing patterns?

At least that is one of the common rigged beliefs, that they rig it to help losing players. You are one on Full Tilt.

The only other choice is that they are targeting you. Did you do something to incur Full Tilt's wrath to mess your .05/.10 NL buy in results? You must be fairly important to merit such attention.

Long story short, you are interpreting a story from your results and making assumptions of conditions that make no sense to actually exist.

Aside from standard variance, you may have just gone against worse opponents on Stars. You may have played on Stars at better times ( in terms of relative competition). You may have been a bit luckier on Stars.

Realistically the odds of one of these or other factors being the cause of your results is much higher then any massive conspiracy to rig micro stakes games, particularly against you on Full Tilt.

There is no logical rigged theory that can be formed based on your specific results that preclude you from being a target of a massive conspiracy. You are free to create any beliefs you like, however, no offense, but I doubt you matter that much, none of us do.

Additionally, I cannot prove FT is not rigged to your satisfaction, just like you cannot prove that you are not a Lizard Person to my satisfaction. Asking to disprove a negative is flawed.


Quote:
Originally Posted by yuyafox View Post
i assume most 2+2ers should have enough knowledge and skill to beat 10nl and below and i have seen people complianing that they are winning at stars but losing at ftp because they have much more coolers and bad beats at ftp.i would like to know if there is anyone who wins at ftp and lose at stars?

OK,i know life is rigged and even if some sites are rigged,winning players are still winning so i'd better learn to adopt to it.
There are people who have basically the exact same beliefs you have, except switch Full Tilt and Pokerstars. So yeah, you are saying the same coin is rigged to land heads while others say tails, but in the end you will likely agree something is wrong with the coin...

Seriously, either get a more logical grasp of the reality of the situation or continue to indulge in bizarre fantasies. One way will be a path for you to improve your game, the other a way to rationalize your bad results without any improvement.

I know what your opponents would prefer you choose.

All the best.

Last edited by Monteroy; 03-27-2009 at 01:40 PM.
Monteroy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 01:55 PM   #1018
otatop
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: unstuckpolitics.com
Posts: 12,727
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy View Post
There are people who have basically the exact same beliefs you have, except switch Full Tilt and Pokerstars.
Obviously those are the people he lost to on FTP and won from on Stars. It's a complex network of riggery.
otatop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 02:02 PM   #1019
Rek
HUZA 2008
 
Rek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London
Posts: 10,034
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by yuyafox View Post
i know there is no way i can prove that ftp is rigged but can you prove it isn't? how many scandals already exposed in financial sectors that didn't shock you?

i didn't claim that ftp is rigged but if it is,i wouldn't be surprised at all.i just showed you my experience.
You showed 2 different sets of results. I am just unclear of:

  1. Why you think the positive results are correct but the negative results are rigged against you
  2. What motive do you think FTP has to pick on you

There are just as many rigged claims aimed at Stars. It's a mystery isn't it.
Rek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 02:02 PM   #1020
Markusgc
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Markusgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Noodles, Hockey & Punk Rock!
Posts: 8,788
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Game Started on Fri Mar 27, 2009 @ 10:20
Jasmine - Holdem - NL 25 - Real Money - Hand #126601260

**Hand #126601260 begins**
kidseoul. receives the dealer button
jwcwi posts small blind 0.25
ecu4326 posts big blind 0.50
bm30216 posts 0.50
You are dealt[A 7 ]
bm30216 checks
twist 1 folds
Hero folds
kidseoul. folds
jwcwi calls 0.25
ecu4326 checks
Flop is dealt [3 A 5 ]
jwcwi checks
ecu4326 checks
bm30216 bets 0.50
jwcwi calls 0.50
ecu4326 folds
Turn is dealt [6 ]
jwcwi bets 2.50
bm30216 calls 2.50
River is dealt [4 ]
jwcwi goes all in 0
jwcwi bets 5.95
bm30216 calls 5.95
bm30216 shows a flush Ace high
bm30216's pocket cards were [A Q ]
jwcwi shows a straight flush Six high
jwcwi's pocket cards were [7 2 ]
jwcwi wins $18.45 real money from main pot
**Hand #126601260 ends**

Now, if it were really rigged for action, why would they give ME the nuts and not someone in the Big Blind? Also, did they just know that the SB would complete w/27o?
Markusgc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 02:10 PM   #1021
tk1133
veteran
 
tk1133's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Making friends one post @ a time
Posts: 2,221
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

See, I can't say that I think these sites are rigged, but I will say they need to be regulated by a gaming commission....
tk1133 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 04:00 PM   #1022
batair
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
batair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: idiocracy
Posts: 16,806
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by yuyafox View Post
if you guys think that i am a bad player and stars is rigged because they are helping me winning money and ftp is so decent as they are telling me how bad i really am,i woudn't debate about that.

i know there is no way i can prove that ftp is rigged but can you prove it isn't? how many scandals already exposed in financial sectors that didn't shock you?

i didn't claim that ftp is rigged but if it is,i wouldn't be surprised at all.i just showed you my experience.

i assume most 2+2ers should have enough knowledge and skill to beat 10nl and below and i have seen people complianing that they are winning at stars but losing at ftp because they have much more coolers and bad beats at ftp.i would like to know if there is anyone who wins at ftp and lose at stars?

OK,i know life is rigged and even if some sites are rigged,winning players are still winning so i'd better learn to adopt to it.
When i use to play stars and tilt i always did better on tilt. The games play different.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tk1133 View Post
See, I can't say that I think these sites are rigged, but I will say they need to be regulated by a gaming commission....
You should just get better and instead of reading rigged posts read strat.
batair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 04:01 PM   #1023
Jakejackjake
banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: proven wrong one more time
Posts: 4,340
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

but it is rigged but it doesnt favor one player over the other the flops are just juiced (which is one idea rigtards have) then the rigtards still suck at poker for not adjusting their ranges properly to the juiced flops/crazy rivers
Jakejackjake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 04:20 PM   #1024
DMoogle
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
DMoogle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Northern VA, USA
Posts: 7,131
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by yuyafox View Post
i know there is no way i can prove that ftp is rigged but can you prove it isn't?
This is called the "Argumentum ad Ignorantium", i.e. the appeal to ignorance.

And even if I could prove it, the tinfoil heads wouldn't believe me. Just take a look at the third party audit companies.

At least there's more evidence that it isn't rigged than there is for it being rigged.

Last edited by DMoogle; 03-27-2009 at 04:32 PM.
DMoogle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2009, 05:28 PM   #1025
otatop
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: unstuckpolitics.com
Posts: 12,727
Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate"

Quote:
Originally Posted by DMoogle View Post
At least there's more evidence that it isn't rigged than there is for it being rigged.
But as we all know, having more evidence just further "disquises" the rigging.
otatop is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive