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Old 11-02-2009, 07:46 PM   #10176
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Ya and if the Illuminatti didn't **** things up, they wouldn't of ran all the "mom and pop" businesses into the ground....errr or something like that...
It's UIGEA and if it poker was regulated, I don't think think the small sites that you reference, could compete...
I said if it was repealed meaning in a free market like we had before smaller sites would have more of a shot. I agree over regulation hurts competition and could have the opposite effect.

Hows that insider info going any laws coming soon?
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Old 11-02-2009, 07:52 PM   #10177
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It's UIGEA and if it poker was regulated, I don't think think the small sites that you reference, could compete...
Yes you're just the guy who should be nitty about that sort of thing.

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Ya and if the Illuminatti didn't **** things up, they wouldn't of ran all the "mom and pop" businesses into the ground....errr or something like that...

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Old 11-02-2009, 08:13 PM   #10178
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I said if it was repealed meaning in a free market like we had before smaller sites would have more of a shot. I agree over regulation hurts competition and could have the opposite effect.

Hows that insider info going any laws coming soon?
I have never shared any "insider" information....I understand what your saying, but the point is, if there's no regulation there will be no poker. For US players that is. Nothings gonna happen till elections are over...
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:19 PM   #10179
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I have never shared any "insider" information...
I'd dig up the post but im not that bored. Something along the lines of you predicting US regulation according to someone you knew.
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I understand what your saying, but the point is, if there's no regulation there will be no poker. For US players that is. Nothings gonna happen till elections are over...
See there you go again.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:23 PM   #10180
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I hear ya. Just to clarify I never made any statements that wasn't public knowledge...
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:32 PM   #10181
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I'd dig up the post but im not that bored. Something along the lines of you predicting US regulation according to someone you knew.

See there you go again.
I hear things...I assume things sometimes but I wouldn't lead anybody into a ditch...
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Old 11-02-2009, 11:29 PM   #10182
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Why do Pokerstars servers hang up right before runner runner flush comes against me? If I was a rigtard, I would be totally freaked out by that. Josem? Could you have someone on your tech team look at that? I have seen this more than a dozen times this year. I have to admit, I have to keep telling myself that Pstars would never rig the programming because they are the biggest site on the net...Thanks, Joe
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Old 11-02-2009, 11:34 PM   #10183
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Why do Pokerstars servers hang up right before runner runner flush comes against me? If I was a rigtard, I would be totally freaked out by that. Josem? Could you have someone on your tech team look at that? I have seen this more than a dozen times this year. I have to admit, I have to keep telling myself that Pstars would never rig the programming because they are the biggest site on the net...Thanks, Joe
I have had a bunch of lag hands like that recently, but sorry no special patterns to report. I won some and I lost some.

The server lags hits everyone at the same time I assume, unless you think it targets you when flushes are due.
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Old 11-02-2009, 11:36 PM   #10184
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I've been away on holiday over the last 4 days, and haven't read the last few pages. Can anyone highlight whether anyone has provided any evidence that online poker is rigged? Given that's the point of the thread, and there are now over 10,000 posts in this thread, I thought there might be some evidence provided by now.
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Old 11-02-2009, 11:39 PM   #10185
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Why do Pokerstars servers hang up right before runner runner flush comes against me?
For the same reason they've hung up on me when my aces hold, lag.

Your whole Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Rigtard thing is getting lame and old. At least when you go back into rigtard mode, try bringing a plausible scam to the table. If they were going to rig it so someone hits runner runner against you, it's an instantaneous thing. They're not running their servers on old Apple ][s that might take a while to switch cards around.

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Old 11-02-2009, 11:41 PM   #10186
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Why do Pokerstars servers hang up right before runner runner flush comes against me? If I was a rigtard, I would be totally freaked out by that. Josem? Could you have someone on your tech team look at that? I have seen this more than a dozen times this year. I have to admit, I have to keep telling myself that Pstars would never rig the programming because they are the biggest site on the net...Thanks, Joe
Can you please post a hand history where this happened?
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Old 11-02-2009, 11:45 PM   #10187
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For the same reason they've hung up on me when my aces hold, lag.

Your whole Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Rigtard thing is getting lame and old. At least when you go back into rigtard mode, try bringing a plausible scam to the table. If they were going to rig it so someone hits runner runner against you, it's an instantaneous thing. They're not running their servers on old Apple ][s that might take a while to switch cards around.
It's annoying that it happens and only when cards fall against me. You are telling me that the biggest site in the world cant fix this little problem? Your post here concerns me, you are way too defensive. Why is that? I asked a simple question and you jumped in so quickly.

It wouldnt be so quick if someone is doing it manually. Someone with no knowledge of technology is going to wonder what is going on. I say tell your staff to fix the problem, it happens way too often.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:01 AM   #10188
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It's annoying that it happens and only when cards fall against me. You are telling me that the biggest site in the world cant fix this little problem? Your post here concerns me, you are way too defensive. Why is that? I asked a simple question and you jumped in so quickly.

It wouldnt be so quick if someone is doing it manually. Someone with no knowledge of technology is going to wonder what is going on. I say tell your staff to fix the problem, it happens way too often.
Think he's just tired of the "am I a really a riggedologist, troll, or both" routine you seem to like to use. Not too shocking, it's kind of stale by now, which is why riggedologists and "shills" need to mix up their chat game once in a while.

I only replied because I have had lagged hands as well. I'll copy and post one next time it happens (since Josem asked), though I imagine it will just be a routine hand so not sure what that will prove.

You can see whatever patterns you like, real (in your mind) or made up (for trolling here) if it makes you happy. No real difference.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:03 AM   #10189
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Can you please post a hand history where this happened?
Thanks, I will email the hand to you in a few minutes.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:06 AM   #10190
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I asked a simple question and you jumped in so quickly.
No, people jumped on you because you made a preposterous, ludicrous statement that would be false at the most rigged up site in the world, and if you don't know that then you are an idiot. I can't believe the question was even serious.

The servers always hang when you are about to get sucked out on.... please GTFO.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:27 AM   #10191
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It's annoying that it happens and only when cards fall against me. You are telling me that the biggest site in the world cant fix this little problem? Your post here concerns me, you are way too defensive. Why is that? I asked a simple question and you jumped in so quickly.

It wouldnt be so quick if someone is doing it manually. Someone with no knowledge of technology is going to wonder what is going on. I say tell your staff to fix the problem, it happens way too often.
Wait, you dont really mean someone literally manually clicking buttons to throw up a runner-runner flush right? Like that joke picture with the big green monster pushing buttons?
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:29 AM   #10192
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Think he's just tired of the "am I a really a riggedologist, troll, or both" routine you seem to like to use. Not too shocking, it's kind of stale by now, which is why riggedologists and "shills" need to mix up their chat game once in a while.

I only replied because I have had lagged hands as well. I'll copy and post one next time it happens (since Josem asked), though I imagine it will just be a routine hand so not sure what that will prove.

You can see whatever patterns you like, real (in your mind) or made up (for trolling here) if it makes you happy. No real difference.
That is total BS. If he is tired of it, why is he responding? Why does it bother him so much? Why does this thread exist? To bother him? For fun? What?
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:36 AM   #10193
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No, people jumped on you because you made a preposterous, ludicrous statement that would be false at the most rigged up site in the world, and if you don't know that then you are an idiot. I can't believe the question was even serious.

The servers always hang when you are about to get sucked out on.... please GTFO.
Every single time this particular scenario comes up, it is the same thing, like a glitch in the programming.

That is not to say that it isnt happening when I suck out on someone, but my brain is more likely to remember the bad result, not the good.

I cant accept that a world class site with state of the art programming is going to have glitches like this. So why does it keep happening? Is it that hard to work these bugs out?

How come this doesnt happen on the other sites I play on? Even Spadeclub doesnt run this rough. They have a much smaller budget to work with.

Back to my original point and as I said before:
SOMEONE NEW TO THE SITE IS GOING TO FIND THIS FISHY. especially types who have no technical knowledge or contact with this thread.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:55 AM   #10194
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Wait, you dont really mean someone literally manually clicking buttons to throw up a runner-runner flush right? Like that joke picture with the big green monster pushing buttons?
Why couldnt the programming have a feature built in to give certain individuals access to manually intervene in the games. The Intervention Patch (lol)There are Superuser accounts for admin, why not take it another step? This could be going on right under the nose of management for sick amusement or profit. Or maybe some sick individual is having fun tunneling into the software to mess with players who have complained to support or posted here.

Maybe I am wrong when I think that there should not be near the amount of pauses I have seen over the months. It is just curious to me and fits right into this thread.

I think this glitch should be looked at and fixed, it is fishy when it happens. It took me a few moments to shake of my first reaction to it.
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Old 11-03-2009, 01:32 AM   #10195
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http://www.pokerroad.com/forums/show...?t=6556&page=3

Ive seen that guy, I knew he was up to no good. He's about halfway down the page. Shifty character.
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:04 AM   #10196
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It's annoying that it happens and only when cards fall against me.
I've had it happen a few times, a few of which I lost, and a few I won (and was never behind). Why, if it only happens when the guy behind the curtain is pushing buttons (lol), would it have happened to me in a hand that I won and was always ahead in?

Couldn't possibly be network lag, must be the button pushing guy just goofed up and forgot to suck out on me, or they went to suck out on me and saw I was the worse of the two players and let the hand play out. That, of course, is the logical answer here.
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You are telling me that the biggest site in the world cant fix this little problem?
It doesn't matter how big they are, until they can run fiber cables directly from their servers to all their players, they're gonna have lag. This is how the internet works.
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Your post here concerns me, you are way too defensive. Why is that? I asked a simple question and you jumped in so quickly.
Because your question's as dumb as somebody saying "Why do traffic lights always turn red when I'm driving up to them?" and I'd mock you for saying that, too.
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It wouldnt be so quick if someone is doing it manually.
So now there are programmers that need to be kept quiet, along with hundreds-thousands of button pushers who rig the deals. Brilliant.
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I say tell your staff to fix the problem, it happens way too often.
Oh hey, now you're doing shill accusations, too. Awesome.
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Every single time this particular scenario comes up, it is the same thing, like a glitch in the programming.
It's lag. You probably don't notice minor lag, but when you get a couple seconds of it during an all in, that can be the entire hand depending on how fast the cash game/tournament you're playing gets dealt.
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I cant accept that a world class site with state of the art programming is going to have glitches like this. So why does it keep happening? Is it that hard to work these bugs out?
It's. Not. The. Programming.
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How come this doesnt happen on the other sites I play on? Even Spadeclub doesnt run this rough. They have a much smaller budget to work with.
They also have about 4 players. It's a tiny bit easier to deal maybe a hundred games than 10-40,000.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:16 AM   #10197
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It's annoying that it happens and only when cards fall against me. You are telling me that the biggest site in the world cant fix this little problem? Your post here concerns me, you are way too defensive. Why is that? I asked a simple question and you jumped in so quickly.

It wouldnt be so quick if someone is doing it manually. Someone with no knowledge of technology is going to wonder what is going on. I say tell your staff to fix the problem, it happens way too often.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:17 AM   #10198
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I think this glitch should be looked at and fixed, it is fishy when it happens. It took me a few moments to shake of my first reaction to it.
what you're experiencing is likely lag and *not* a software glitch.
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Old 11-03-2009, 07:54 AM   #10199
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I've been away on holiday over the last 4 days, and haven't read the last few pages. Can anyone highlight whether anyone has provided any evidence that online poker is rigged? Given that's the point of the thread, and there are now over 10,000 posts in this thread, I thought there might be some evidence provided by now.
Well, yesterday I flopped the nut straight. Then my opponent picked up a full house on the turn, but I didn't believe it. I would like for this not to happen again, or if it does, I would like to be good enough to lay down the nut straight. Thank you.

That is all.
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Maybe I am wrong when I think that there should not be near the amount of pauses I have seen over the months. It is just curious to me and fits right into this thread.
It fits into this thread only because it is more rigtard stupidity.

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Well, yesterday I flopped the nut straight. Then my opponent picked up a full house on the turn, but I didn't believe it. I would like for this not to happen again, or if it does, I would like to be good enough to lay down the nut straight. Thank you.

That is all.
I was playing one cash table yesterday and hit quads twice in 16 hands. The first of which my poor opponent flopped a full house as I flopped quads. I would like for this to happen again. Thank you.
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