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Old 10-29-2009, 10:52 AM   #10051
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re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

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How does this allow the site to make more money?
You are asking riggedologists to think in a way in which they can not.


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You should also think about why the big stack in an MTT might be expected to win more all-in confrontations, on average. As stacks get smaller, shoving ranges get wider. That's basic tournament strategy, and it could easily result in a skew to the big stack, with a completely honest deal. The big stack's calling range is going to be narrower than the short stack's shoving range, on average. This should be true even with players who understand the concept of "effective" stack sizes. And the short stack will face multiple larger stacks at the table, by definition.
This is how you think.

His is more like

Me lose in MTT to big stack when me ahead. Me cheated. Me know - superprogrammers!

As a result, there tends to be a bit of a communication gap when you try chatting with those fellows


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Think.
I do admire your optimism.
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Old 10-29-2009, 11:49 AM   #10052
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re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

NO................. the question that is being asked is why is the big stacks consistantly winning the all ins at a higher rate which is more than normal when they are dominated or dogs going all in late in mtt's.....?
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Old 10-29-2009, 11:56 AM   #10053
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NO................. the question that is being asked is why is the big stacks consistantly winning the all ins at a higher rate which is more than normal when they are dominated or dogs going all in late in mtt's.....?
Sigh.

Let's assume that trend is true. If you go all in with a 70% favorite once in a tourney, odds are you win 70% of the time. Do it twice in the same MTT, on average you win both 49% of the time. Do it four times in the same MTT, you can be expected to survive only 24% of the time. How often does any player get to the late stages of an MTT without having been all-in 3 or 4 times? This is called survivorship bias. Look it up.

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Old 10-29-2009, 12:10 PM   #10054
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And the gap widens...
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:51 PM   #10055
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Are there any non-rigged sites left?

My most recent account was at Cake Poker, and let me tell you, they are just as rigged as titan or VC poker. Short stack always has an edge if they push all in, acton flops out the ass... etc.

Sure, u will get your obligitory winning streaks, like the rest of the donks, but you will then be FORCED into coolers. IE, someone pushes on your AA and you end up loosing to 2 pairs, and forced to win back what you just won!

I have lost when all in preflop with dominating hands more times than i have won. This always seems to be the case when i am up, and i'm fed up!

I just want a site that dishes out the proper odds. I don't mind getting sucked out 20% of the time with AA, but it should not be over 20%!.

I'm staring to beleive that i'm jsut a donk that uses the 'rigged' theory to avoid the true reason for my losses because this seems to happen at every site i play at, but how can this be? How can the underdogs always have a friggin edge on me when i have made a decent amount of money?
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:56 PM   #10056
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I'm staring to beleive that i'm jsut a donk that uses the 'rigged' theory to avoid the true reason for my losses because this seems to happen at every site i play at, but how can this be? How can the underdogs always have a friggin edge on me when i have made a decent amount of money?
It's called the long run, sir.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:56 PM   #10057
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Re: Are there any non-rigged sites left?

Is that you Lance?
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:58 PM   #10058
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:00 PM   #10059
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Re: Are there any non-rigged sites left?

Are there any sites where you guys are satisfied with the odds?
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:02 PM   #10060
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I'm staring to beleive that i'm jsut a donk that uses the 'rigged' theory to avoid the true reason for my losses because this seems to happen at every site i play at, but how can this be?
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:03 PM   #10061
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Play at a poker site that is Ecogra verified. None of the US-friendly sites are, go figure.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:04 PM   #10062
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Are there any sites where you guys are satisfied with the odds?
Live poker.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:05 PM   #10063
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Are there any sites where you guys are satisfied with the odds?
every.single.one.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:05 PM   #10064
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I'm staring to beleive that i'm jsut a donk that uses the 'rigged' theory to avoid the true reason for my losses because this seems to happen at every site i play at
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:05 PM   #10065
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Re: Are there any non-rigged sites left?

Pokerstars is not rigged! specially 100nl 6-max, come and try!
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:06 PM   #10066
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:06 PM   #10067
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re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

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Look at the report done on a million hands of stars all ins elsewhere on this forum.

That independant report also said that bigger stacks were winning 50% of allin hands with atc .
either it happens or it doesn't imo.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:09 PM   #10068
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Play at a poker site that is Ecogra verified. None of the US-friendly sites are, go figure.
TY for this suggestion.

Ecogra verified sites are

7 Sultans Poker (FL) Gaming Club Poker (BR)
River Belle Poker (BR) Poker Room
Royal Vegas Poker (FL) Trident Poker (TG)
Aztec Riches Poker (CR) Poker Rewards (CR)
Captain Cooks Poker (CR) Roxy Poker
Golden Tiger Poker (CR) Virtual City Poker
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:09 PM   #10069
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Re: Are there any non-rigged sites left?

OP:

~60% of players are contributors, ~30% can't beat the rake.

Why is it soooo hard to believe you're in the group of 90%?
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:12 PM   #10070
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~60% of players are contributors, ~30% can't beat the rake.

Why is it soooo hard to believe you're in the group of 90%?
Because i just made my second $1500 cashout from Cake poker in less than a month from a $50 initial deposit.

However, i should have about $2000 more if it wasn't for the rigged software (or just plain bad luck).
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:15 PM   #10071
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Re: Are there any non-rigged sites left?

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I'm staring to beleive that i'm jsut a donk that uses the 'rigged' theory to avoid the true reason for my losses because this seems to happen at every site i play at, but how can this be? How can the underdogs always have a friggin edge on me when i have made a decent amount of money?


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Old 10-29-2009, 01:19 PM   #10072
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Because i just made my second $1500 cashout from Cake poker in less than a month from a $50 initial deposit.

However, i should have about $2000 more if it wasn't for the rigged software (or just plain bad luck).
Right. One cashout makes you a proven winner at your limit, immune to variance forever. I'd wager that you can't show a DB with a 100K sample of you winning.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:24 PM   #10073
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Re: Are there any non-rigged sites left?

OP,

Please feel free to post statistics. Let's be very specific: you mention AA. How often have you had AA at Cake, say, and can you post a screen shot from HEM/PT showing your win percentage with AA over a meaningful sample? You know, just something a little more specific than you saying "this and this happened."
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:27 PM   #10074
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OP,

Please feel free to post statistics. Let's be very specific: you mention AA. How often have you had AA at Cake, say, and can you post a screen shot from HEM/PT showing your win percentage with AA over a meaningful sample? You know, just something a little more specific than you saying "this and this happened."
LOL why is this so hard for you people to beleive? Aren't you guys raking in the dough too?

I have no stats, as these programs will get your account closed at cake poker.

But if anyone wants to make a wager, i can post a screenshot of my transaction history.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:28 PM   #10075
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LOL why is this so hard for you people to beleive? Aren't you guys raking in the dough too?

I have no stats, as these programs will get your account closed at cake poker.

But if anyone wants to make a wager, i can post a screenshot of my transaction history.
you sir, are a tool
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