Ok Ok Ok you conned me. You won this victory.

As the same, your win does not take my or ours, the rigtards win of saying, "Yes poker is rigged'

yep it's rigged, you proved it by not disproving it.... congrats

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[x] Clearly An English Student

Webdonk Dicktionari

old_moose:
argumentum ad ignorantiam; irrelevant conclusions; non sequitur
see also rigtard


If you look up the opposite of old_moose, you'll find one word.. proper (my favorite word btw)


Websters Dictionary

proper:
1 a : referring to one individual only b : belonging to one : own c : appointed for the liturgy of a particular day d : represented heraldically in natural color
2 : belonging characteristically to a species or individual : peculiar
3 chiefly dialect : good-looking, handsome
4 : very good : excellent
5 chiefly British : utter, absolute
6 : strictly limited to a specified thing, place, or idea
7 a. strictly accurate : correct b. archaic : virtuous, respectable c. strictly decorous : genteel
8 : marked by suitability, rightness, or appropriateness : fit
9 : being a mathematical subset (as a subgroup) that does not contain all the elements of the inclusive set from which it is derived
synonyms see fit

You're correct that the river cards (and all board cards) are not totally random, but for entirely the wrong reasons. There's no need to look at underdogs or winners to check this, simply check the distribution of river cards to see if it looks skewed.

Players choose when to see flops, then when to continue to the turn, then when to continue to the river. Only a portion of boards are dealt. If they were all dealt, they would be totally uniform and random and every card would show on every street at a rate of 1/13 (1/52 considering suit). But since we have a well-known removal effect where players tend to see flops when holding high cards, the board will contain more low cards than high cards. And this effect becomes more pronounced for the turn, and even more pronounced for the river, as player requirements to continue in the hand become more strict at later streets.

Notice in the graph below that the three flop cards are essentially uniform for each rank, with a smooth transition from low to high. Then the turn shows more difference between low and high, the river more still. Players who get to the river tend to hold about the same number of Tens thru Kings, but significantly more Aces, leaving fewer that can hit the board. Eights, the median card, are exactly on the expected average. And going down from Eights, the lower cards increasingly show up on the board.

This graph is part of a larger analysis that goes much further than this gross distribution, breaking down card patterns related to poker hands. I'll be publishing it soon. I also have this distribution for various table sizes and various stakes. This one is full ring excluding high stakes and micro stakes, and represents the typical structure for the vast majority of online NLHE cash games. Click to enlarge.




and to see a more pure version of the removal effect with less noise, just look at heads-up games. Here you can see that Kings are favored more than other broadway cards, and Aces still more (as expected). And players don't like to play hands containing a deuce thru five. All very reasonable.

So yeah, if you check raised during that game, you were cheating. You follow the rules of the game you are playing in. Using a bot online=cheating.

This makes no sense. You say that check-raising was not allowed, and then you say that people who did it were called "chiselers." If it wasn't allowed, how were there people who did it?

I think you're misremembering how it really was. There has never been a rule against check-raising, unless you and some like-minded friends made it up yourselves and used it in your home games. You might have considered it "rude," but it has never been considered cheating. The only way it could be cheating is if it was against the rules, and if it was against the rules nobody would be able to do it because everybody else at the table would, you know, notice.

You guys are so scary, you caught me so fast...Sincerely, TheRealDonkoTheClown. lolololol!

Umm.. why is MY name on that??

Sorry about that. It should have had old_moose's name.

I was going to do a multi-quote post and selected several posts to quote, then decided only to quote old_moose to save space. But when I deleted all the other stuff I must have left the wrong "quote= " tag in there.

My bad.

No problem. I figured it was a mix up.


Or as old_moose would say: Problem it is not so. I've Calculated it was a mixed in.

old_moose: All your base are belong to us.

Grandpa Meares?

Poker stars is full of sH**t. Its impossible to win at the MTT's. Time and time again they hit me with rare beats and Reward awful, atrocious play.
Been playing since 2006 and during that time i have only cashed big once.
Pstars lacks a fair and normal dealt game. Sometimes i go through a stretch where i fold 200x an no pairs over 10's(3+ hours of play online, pair of tens please!). Lol this is insane, not possible!
Usually when the game goes like this , I end up suffering a beat with a big hand.
Its like i already no it, during the showdown before the flop. I have pair of kk's Opponent shows pair of 99's, flop spikes a nine .... goodnight ! how many nines are in the deck 20?
Now the cash games are alright ONLY if your pushing supernova elite.
But is there anyone else having a hard time in the MTT'S?

Hey, it's a more normal crazy rant!

Don't most people lose MTTs by definition?

Not here buddy!
its not even the fact of winning or your hands holding up kinda thing. Just show me a normal, fair, realistic dealt game. And then, ill worry about the statistics on winning in MTT'S.

Yeah, right. Not for everyone. Maybe for you.



Then play badly.

Get rewarded.



And yet you think that single healthy cash in many years is the real indication of your play.

Interesting.

I don't even know what this means.

Anyway, if you go with your play badly plan you do not need to worry about pocket pairs. Play 93o fold AA.

Make millions.


Play small hands.


Fold KK then. Use your superpowers of telling the future (in hindsight) to your advantage.

Since you will be folding KK in future this will not be a concern.

Lots struggle in MTTs. It's because they are not good enough to beat MTTs.

Hope this helped.

So you crush MTT's when playing live? And that's because the deal is markedly different? Are you familiar with the term "delusional" ?

POTTRIPPER.......oh that was just a one tIME thing. Okay so its not rigged, Got it! lol
Its like saying the NBA is not rigged......michael donahue??
once a hoe* always a hoe*

Hey its you again, the smart a** that sticks his nose everywhere. Last I remember, you ratted me out on 2+2. This time i will be more careful and wont hurt your feelings.
Don't reply on my posts. I ignore STUPID people like you. You always give me useless and unhelpful info.
F OFF!

No, I didn't rat you out. I warned you about making racist comments but you continued so I infracted you. Then YOU went to Mat Sklansky crying foul but he said basically "if he wants to make such posts, just ban him."

That's a more accurate version of how things went.
really, you think any part of either of your two most recent posts were anything but stupid, useless and unhelpful?!?!!?

Also, by responding to my post, you are doing the OPPOSITE of ignoring me. DUCY?

Again, I ask: are you familiar with the term "delusional" ?

Are you familiar with the word d**k head?

Lol sorry cant help my self

monteroy you are a idiot.

In before permaban.

solid reply (for a 7th grader).
yeah, that's not something to be proud of.
worthless troll.

how's that ignoring thing working out for ya, btw?