I made the post shortly after it happened to me. It is a regular occurrence in the satellites, turbo type tournaments. The cards are in view on these all ins.

I do not play very many live tournaments. So, I don't see a ton of tournament runouts. I do remember one tournament I was playing. I walked past a group of guys and one of them was telling a bad beat story. As he said, and the river made him a flush he looked at me and said "That's Him!" I was the guy who got the card.

I myself have also thought on many occasions that online poker might be "rigged".. until I go play live and the same disgusting bad beats/run outs happen in real life too luck/RNG can be so brutal

You are not having minset problems, but are just aware of obvious shady **** going on with Ignition cash games. We aren't the only ones who feel this way either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRSpkPRjnPI&t

Their RNG is not random and this became even more obvious after I tried their blackjack. Their blackjack is completely rigged so that the more money you bet, the lesser your chances to win become. I started keeping track and after 100x doubling down, my average total was 14.7 which is mathematically impossible and was only given a 10 12 times which is half of what it should be. When you double down you have a 30% chance of getting a 10 so that's about half. I also noticed that when the dealer has a 2-6 showing they almost always have another low card and never bust when they have one of those cards showing. I went to support with this information and asked them if the RNG is the same for poker as it is for blackjack which the person told me that it was. So if the blackjack is rigged then so is the poker. I then went in my database and ran a filter for hands that I made a 3bet (which is kinda like doubling down) and I am running way below EV. It was with a sample size of 27,000 hands so that's enough and I dont' remember the exact numbers because my drivehud trial is over but I think it was 15bb/100 with an EV of 85bb/100. I told their support that I have video of their blackjack rigging as I can predict the cards that are coming and that I was going to post it to warn others. I then cashed out my funds but had $17.00 left in unclaimed bonuses or rewards so I used those and went and played and they must have switched it because the first hand I played I made quad kings and got aces more than usual and turned the $17 into $250. I made straights at a ridiculous rate, I made flushes at a ridiculous rate and cracked someone's aces 3 times. I don't believe at all their that RNG is random.

I also tried their live dealer blackjack as a way to avoid their RNG but that game is not legit either. The cards have RFID and the way the dealer deals the cards is super suspect. I was a blackjack dealer so I know the rules and I have dealt more hands than most people will play in their lifetime. When the dealer deals they give one card to everyone and one to themself, and then deal the second card to everyone and then the last one to themself (doesn't matter if they turn over the first or second one). On their live dealer blackjack they don't give themselves their down card. Now with the fact they have RFID, this allows them to choose what downcard they will have by the action that is played out before it gets to them. I noticed this right away and then two hands in a row, I choose to "stay" and the dealer gave me a card. I typed in the chat that I didn't want the card and of course that card caused the table to get ****ed and I lost both hands. I went to support and demanded a refund and they are reviewing it but I haven't got a refund yet. The support person said that I didn't receive another card but I know that I did and I told him that maybe he doesn't show that I did because I choose stay and not hit. He verified that I did choose stay and so when they review the tape they will see that I hit stay and was given a card. Another thing I noticed that has me very skeptical is that you play with "other players". These players all must be bots or employees because every time they made a choice, it caused the table to get ****ed. When the dealer has a 2 showing and you have 12, you don't hit obviously but this player hit and of course took the dealer's 10 and with the RFID cards, the fact you play with other players that you don't know, the hosue can decide what their downcard will be. I saw some weird plays from the other players that always resulted in me losing and I tried to talk to them in the chat but they never responded so maybe they are bots. The whole thing is suspect though I know that. If they mess with the blackjack games they are going to mess with the poker games too. Hasn't anyone noticed that there is always a player with a huge stack and that player is unbeatable? that's not random.

I am always wary of the players who VPIP literally 100%, who are just stacking people with dogshit every 10 hands and seem to not be able to lose.


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I would guess for most of these hands the player is having software issues and timing out at the suspect decision points. With such regular software issues on Bonition, you should expect to see some weird stuff like this when reviewing your database. Afaik there is no way to tell that a player timed out or intentionally folded by looking at the HH.

Lol.... It's not rigged.

Basic strategy is hit a 12 versus a dealer 2 or 3....

I don't see 100% VPIP in my database at all. I was reviewing my last couple of sessions and there is something going on here 100%.

I have one player that played 115 hands. He folds KT when it folds to him in the CO when the button had KJ. Then he opens with KT in MP when everyone had rags. He did the same with AQ and folded UTG when someone had QQ. This player also only lost to one player and this player even called him with 7-4 offsuit out of position in one hand. Then this same player limps from the SB with AQ and I have KK in the BB. He limps, I raise, he calls. The board comes K-J-T rainbow. He checks, I bet 3rd pot and he folds the nuts. I promise you any amount of money that the board would have paired and he did not disconnect because I remember this hand. There is some chip dumping going on as well with this player. He has AK and shoves on the turn on a board of A-5-2-2 with 3 clubs and the A of clubs and gets called by t-8 offsuit no pair no draw. An obvious dump. This player also plays perfect poker and always makes the correct move. I have the video and HH if anyone doesn't believe me. There is something going on here. These players are either the worst players that show no consistent plays or structure in their play and just happen to get lucky or can see the cards that are coming. It isn't that far fetched to assume that there they could give early access to the rabbit cam or maybe the hands are pre determined. Whatever it is, it happens at too high a frequency for it to be coincedence or luck.

Yes it is. What do you call it when the math doesn't add up? When the statistically impossible happen on the routine? You think that's normal? On this planet, mathematics is not a matter of opinion but is a matter of science.

When a player says "stay" do you give them a card? Of course not. This happened twice, each time resulting in me losing. Did I mention the cards have RFID? Did I mention that the dealer doesn't give themselves the down card after they deal everyone else's second card? That results in the down card changing based on the action. Now reread my first sentence again about when a player says "stay" and giving them a card.

maybe you are just unlucky in real life

I don't understand. If you think this player could see the runout before it comes why would he call your PF raise? He would already know ahead of time that you would win the hand. In fact he wouldn't even limp because he would know there's no chance of you folding KK so this doesn't make any sense at all.

And how do you know he had AQ? If I recall correctly you don't get to see opponents cards unless they go to showdown, or show them to you as they fold.

You can see all HHs 24 hrs later

isunkurbttlship has the correct answer. On Ignition all the hands become available 24 hours after for download for a certain time period.

As for your other question, I think why they don't just fold because they don't want to make it too obvious. If everytime some got AA or KK and everyone folded its a clear sign of super using. I noticed when I have a big pair, then people start limping instead of raising and flatting preflop instead of 3-betting. I have tried 3-bet bluffing and I always get 4bet. It is like clockwork. The site is a complete scam. If I make a hand and I know it's good, then I've started just making a minimum bet on the river to see if they will call it. 99% of the time they do not but when I'm bluffing they will snap with Q high or bottom pair. The RNG is not random either as these players never get coolered. I mean when you can fold the nuts and avoid getting stacked.

I’ve seen some advanced rig talk in my days but there’s new heights being reached itt today

Thanks for warning us. The reality is however you're just not very good at poker if you think it's rigged. Also the blackjack is not rigged, I should know, I've quite literally bet millions on blackjack on Ignition/Bovada. And you have no idea what "statistically impossible means" and you're bad at math. But again thanks for trying to warn us, you've done your part, now go away.

You live in your Grandma's house and apparently own a van. That's all I need to know about your level of intelligence. You can just deny things without evidence and without facts and resort to insults like the child that you are. I didn't call your mom a whore so why are you acting like such a baby? Your grandma not give you milk and cookies tonight? You have no idea about anything and are completely ******ed when you just deny this obvious rigging that is going on. How can you possibly not understand the issue with a dealer that doesn't give themself their down card before the action takes place and the cards having RFID?? Oh wait, you live with your Grandma so you wouldn't be able to see that. How can you not see how that is a major issue?? Combine that with the fact, my actions were not followed. I choose to stay and I was given a card. This caused the table to get ****ed. This is literally 1+1=2. If you are too dumb to see that which you obviously are because you live with your grandma and you bet millions on this apparently. I don't believe that you have anything on Bovada and if you did, no wonder you are living with your grandma because you are too stupid to see how you are being scammed. It's getting late, off to bed so Grandma can tuck you in.

How about you post some evidence oh great rigtardio?

Stop whining, you belong in the riggie thread.

I'm not going to waste my time if you can't see the obvious. I hate to break this to you but when a player folds the stone cold nuts to a single bet and this player never makes a wrong decision because they don't ever put a chip in the pot where they lose. Then you see this same player involved in obvious chip dumping when another player calls an all in bet with ten high no draw THAT MEANS THERE IS CHEATING GOING ON. You are just embarrassing yourself by denying it. That means there is cheating going on there big guy. It doesn't mean that I am crazy, it means that I found something that means there is cheating going on. I knew posting was a mistake because either 2+2 is so corrupt with fake accounts pretending to be real people to fool the public or the stupidest humans on the planet. I think its probably both.

Hand histories? Sample size? I’m a winner (not very big, but winner nonetheless) on the network through a pretty significant sample of cash hands and also a not so significant sample size of tournaments. There’s plenty of winners for much larger numbers and much more significant sample sizes than me in this thread.

Is there shady **** going on? Yeah probably, it’s an anonymous unregulated online poker site. But it’s far from unbeatable.

Thanks for letting us know, we appreciate it. Don't play on Ignition/Bovada since you know it's rigged. I'll continue playing because I'm an idiot who lives with his grandma. You don't need to keep telling us it's rigged, we're all too dumb to understand or believe you. I'm sorry for being rude to you earlier. Have a good day.

I lived with my Grandma in my 20s during my college years. She made my bed, did my laundry, and cooked daily…..it was great

Why is it the online poker is rigged people are always cash game players... no MTT grinders feel this way? Guess I’m lucky I only play tourneys mostly.

mtts are far less frustrating to play because you don't expect to cash/win every time, you know most of the time you bust out

cash you enter every pot when you have a strong hand with optimism that rips your heart out when you still lose

also jish and others, simple rick was correct i was telling the riggies to show their work

It's a lot easier to blame bad results in MTTs on luck (that's what I do). If you're losing at cash games consistently it can't really be bad luck, so it's gotta be rigged right? I mean it can't be because they have 6 months experience playing poker and they're playing against 7 out of 8 players who are all regs with a decade plus of experience. It's gotta be rigged.

abcde123, how long have you been playing poker?

Bad mental game itt

The opposite is true for most people. In a cash game when I have somebody pegged and then their horrible play gets a big suck out pot on me. I lick my chops being able to get my money back and more at a cash table. In a tourney I just get pissed that I wasted 4 hours and won't have another shot at the dunce.

The whole rigged thing comes down to rigtards not being able to get max value from the idiots who they should have dominated 80% of the time, but get stacked by them when they suck out the other 20% of the time.