This place was circling the drain even when it was active - a 'serious' brag back in the day was a £100k graph, which for the top of a given industry, is very little.

Even 5 years ago the vast majority of 'successful' grinders were East Europeans making tree-fiddy an hour, enough to pay the rent on their box flat in some depressing Soviet village. Successful online grinders in western countries basically don't exist anymore, for the simple reason that it's extremely difficult to generate a decent living by western standards from online poker. Believe it or not, my most profitable day in the whole of my poker career was the day I withdraw all my Stars balance without paying my staker back.

Wouldn't be too sure boyo.

And have any bookmaker easily be able to track my bets, or have someone like you email them to sabotage me? Yeah, too right that's not gonna happen.

Ask your imaginary friends this: in some hypothetical world they had near-unlimited bookmaker accounts (or could easily replace ones they had lost), would they find it difficult to clear 5 figures a month? Anyone with a decent bankroll will tell you that it'd be a trivial matter to do so, requiring much less work than learning how to beat poker for the same amount.

You're the dinosaur, still gridning scraps in a dead RIGGED industry. Like some guy still selling CD players while the rest of the world moved onto spotify downloads. 5 years (and that's only when I first ran into you, you've been doing this way longer) shilling a dead industry, it's time to move on.

I'd suggest you need to retrain, or your future will involve asking 'do you want fries with that?'.

This place has not mattered for running a business in this industry for a long time. Only you seem to be trying to desperately link 2+2 being relevant to the industry itself. 2+2 is a forum structure that has not changed in 20 years. 2+2 is outdated, the online gambling industry has changed a ton with the times.

Amusing thing is that they are considerably more successful than you in this industry. You did steal, so there is that!


Nobody will have any issue believing your greatest financial success came from you stealing. Amusing you say it as a brag, but derps gotta derp.



Heh. You are such a clueless donk .


Heh again. So easy to see how this will end for you. It will end just as everything ends for you. Life donks gonna life donk, and it is clear you were not even one that stumbled into crypto either. I did great with it, but a lot of donks (some even as dumb as you) did extremely well simply because those products matched their political beliefs (I just used it as a means to move money).

Your posts genuinely amuse me, so feel free to stick around and post here and in those Covid threads I linked for you. I have many times said that petty criminals tend to be petty criminals in all their facets of life, so nice when someone like you comes around to prove that theory for me. Sometimes people think I create gnome accounts to post stuff like you are doing to make me look better, but I never have to do that because there are plenty of the genuine article to be found in this world.

All the best.

The fact of the matter is - hardly anyone makes good money by western standards anymore. Maybe with a lot of time, study, and work, you can make enough to grind out a living in some ex-soviet shithole, but that's it.

They might be better than me at poker, though I don't lose any sleep at night over it. It doesn't change the fact that poker has a very low ceiling for the overwhelming majority.

Again with this 'stealing' line, when I consider it more redistributing the profits from the exploiter to the exploited.

I'm not providing a running commentry of bets for much the same reason the best players do not post their hand histories - even years ago they didn't. It's -EV for them, and I know a bitter spiteful loser like yourself would instantly be emailing the bet companies to try and sabotage me - after all it's not too difficult to identify the bookmaker from the layout of the site, even if the bet ID is edited. And from there it's not exactly rocket science to link a stake amount at a partcicular time with a user on the site. You can stay bitter about your place in online gambling, and I'll carry on raking in the money.

(((Crypto))) is another thing pushed by your masters to fleece the sheep of their money.

Nah, you can't. Others can, and that clearly upsets you, but that is your issue.



It is not hard to see that you are not the type to work on your game in any type of professional manner. I doubt you were even aware of the tools needed to be competitive in the industry today. You clearly lack emotional maturity and are easily tempted to commit petty thefts. You are not a professional, and have literally zero idea how a professional would think or behave, so the concept of success is one that does not exist in your personal reality. Best part is - failures like you are what feed the successes in this industry, and your only smart choice was quitting - one I tell all riggies like you to do.



You can call it whatever you like, and that fits the pattern you have of trying to paint your reality in a way that is not real. You proudly admit to stealing money that was not yours - that is called stealing.


Actually, many of the better established sharps have a subscription service to get their picks and insights, because this is a way for them to make guaranteed money without having to do the difficult dance of finding shops to take bets from their mules. Reality is you are a nothingburger in that industry. You post like one and think like one. How that will end for you is pretty much a certainty.


Nah, that is you projecting the way you think. You are a nothingburger and even if I knew which thief you were (guessing you are in the neg feedback thread here somewhere) - the sites can figure out for themselves who the real sharps are and not. They are pretty good at that, especially with horse racing, so why would I waste time emailing them about a nothingburger that is clearly not an actual sharp.

Now, do I suspect you would resort to petty approaches like that? Of course - it fits the profile of your past behaviors and personality, and it is why you think that is a normal behavior.



It pushed a ton of money to me, so you can call it whatever you like, though it was clear you made nothing from it. Thanks for confirming that. Another demonstration of how easy it is to figure out someone like you, and it is why you are so un-competitive in industries like this.

All the best.

It might have seemed to be dying in 2018, but the last two years have seen record double-digit growth in the online poker industry worldwide. COVID yes, but those millions of new players are sticking, causing a resurgence. You also have the new multi-state alliances happening across the U.S. making player pools bigger and more attractive. And more states are jumping in now that each state can decide to regulate it without federal interference. Lots of players who sat on the sidelines the past 5 years or more, are taking a fresh look.

If most reasonable people thought the games were rigged, none of this would be happening. Most really don't think that, regardless of how emphatically you believe it.

It's a matter of numbers. The number of players who can make enough money to live a good life in a western country is very close to zero. Mainly because the sites are rigged to maximise revenue for the companies. You're allowed to win a little (that's why all those Russians can 'just about' chisel out a miserable existance) but any big winners get shut down.

This industry is 'fed' by those who dont realise the operator has stacked the deck against them. I was and remain a very good poker player, just not good enough to overcome the rig.

I consider it justice, not theft.

This only really works if your 'edge' is knowing which horses are likely to win. Snd even then once people pile on these 'tips' the odds get cut and no longer represent value. There's a much easier way to print money from horse racing, one which doesn't actually require any knowledge about horses, and can be taught to someone in a couple of hours, but you're a donk who can't adapt and learn, hence why you're still in online poker for a living.

Because you're a vindictive loser, that's why. And 'projection' is such a soy word, used by reddit cuckolds who like to watch their wife get banged in front of them. No surprise you're in that group.

No more interesting than a donk hitting 5 wild reels on the slot machine and thinking it was all skill. And most of them are even lying about that.

Online poker is dead, dead, dead. You need to be using all kinds of specialist software just to beat 2nl these days ffs. You couldn't seriously tell anyone in the UK, or Germany, or Australia, America etc that they'd be able to make a decent living from online poker. Sure maybe with a lot of work a few people can chisel out some awful existance while living with their parents, or replace McDonalds wages in the Ukraine, but for those of us who want to have our own houses and don't want to live in some shithole, poker is essentially dead.

It is and always has been dead to you as an income source (other than theft). That is your limitation. The "specialist software" as you call it are just the basic tools needed to separate oneself from the chaff. You are the living embodiment of chaff, so you will never understand that all industries have similar things to them that separate the wannabes from those that succeed. You are applying your own limited abilities and professionalism to others, and you have no awareness that that is what you do. You will never understand how easy someone like you is to compete against, so never change in that regard.

All the best.

It's very difficult to see how online poker survives in it's current form. We are in the Solver era and there's no going back.

Poker is a great game but only when played live.

Tell me, idiot, of all those in your exploitaitive sweatshop...oh sorry, 'stable' - how many live in what would commonly be known as 'the west' (i.e. the USA (if they ever got back onto Stars?), Canada, Australia/NZ and Western Europe vs the rest of the world.

You'll find a massive bias towards the latter. The reason for that is plain and obvious to everyone except you: you need less money to live in the likes of the Ukraine and China than you do in Sweden and the UK.

About 80% live in countries you (with your xenophobic beliefs) would consider the "West." A good chunk are from England, hence why I am quite familiar with the culture and language etc.

Seriously, you are so clueless and un-competitive that it is quite amusing to see you post as you have so far. You may be better then the guy who sent me extortion PMs a while ago citing having a "friend" at Stars. That guy had no idea that nearly all the money movement had moved away from the poker rooms to Skrill and other e-wallets, and a majority of the business had moved away from Stars at that time due to the changing legislation in a ton of countries. You guys are great!

You literally do not get it and I and the people I work will always take your money in the end, and you will have zero idea what is happening as it happens or after it happens, even if it is explained to you. People like you made 2020 one of my more enjoyable years (Trumpderps really helped) and 2021 has been solid so far, so I hope your species never goes away in this industry. Thanks for posting as you have, you really made me smile in what was essentially a dead thread in an outdated forum. How can this industry, and those who know how to succeed within it, have issues as long as people like you hang around in it? Keep doing what you are doing. Thanks!

All the best.

Extortion would indicate i tried to obtain money from you which obviously never happened. You sat on a pokerstars table with $25k bragging you needed it to fund your third world empire. I simply pointed out its against stars terms and conditions to make these transfers without sufficient play there was never any extortion.

Was glad you decided i didnt exist and i could read your pathetic posts bragging about how much money u have made like thats the only thing that matters. But if you make statements that im a criminal i obviously have to come back from the "void" and demand a retraction. If you have any evidence i tried to extort you please show it if not stop lying like you usually do and admit it never happened.

Had to remove the above person from ignore to see the post, as I always put people on ignore when they PM me real world threats. I suppose a legal debate could be made about whether something is extortion or blackmail or something else if a threat is made telling another person to "shut up" (because they have a meltdown over something said in a nonsense riggie thread) and if they do not shut up as instructed then a mystery "friend" will be notified in Pokerstars to close an account.

Regardless, the details you listed at the time were completely incorrect (at least in Canada) for how deposits and transfers work in terms of playthrough. Stars changed those policies a while before your threat and when changes like that are made - the business model has to change, and it did. Even before that (going back 10 years) if someone tried to cashout after a deposit or especially a transfer without sufficient playthrough (the playthrough amount was undefined then) - that transaction would bounce as an automated security feature. That is why you saw all the whiny "why can't I cash out my money" threads here from people who never bothered understanding how these things worked.

Fortunately not all changes are negative in that regard. Skrill changed how it works in terms of transfers and removed the fee for those that properly verify and become True Skrillers, and Canadians can use Skrill again as a zero cost means of transfer (though not deposit/cashout to gambling sites). Additionally, everyone can have multiple currencies, so bankrolling people who play with Euros on sites like Winimax is easier now as exchange and transfer costs have been removed. On top of all of that, there are a variety of ways to clear uncleared balances on Stars other than poker whenever that is needed, which I did recently for the single transfer I have received in the past couple months for just over a hundred bucks. Managed to win myself $4 in the process of clearing that, which is a better result than the guy I am talking to did in his entire career (other than his theft) .

I get that people like you get way too emotional from reading stuff on the internet at times, and when that switches from throwaway trashtalk in a riggie thread to real life threats - that is when I put that person on ignore and they cease to exist to me. I have done that with the various threats of harm and death I received via PM from riggies (note, 99%+ of riggies never do this), and while your threat via PM was not of a physical nature - it still merits the same reaction. Here was the first two paragraphs I typed in reply to your PM back then, and you can replace Juiceguy (heh guess he has been around a while) with jackguy to have it apply today


"Sigh. Sucks when people cannot get that the riggie thread is a total farce and literally nothing said in it is even real or matters (regardless of how often I say that), and nearly every person in it, riggie and shill get this. Still, seems one every year or so cannot understand that it is all a joke and they take nonsense said in there personally, when nearly every post (by riggies and shills) is never actually personal.

No, I was not trying to bait you. I do not know you at all, nor do I want to. I was having fun with the Juice guy, and he knew it, and I knew it. I never mentioned your 2+2 user name in the interaction, nor did I ever mention your Pokerstars user name ever on 2+2 (nor will I ever), as I do not cross that border from the fantasy pro wrestling riggie thread to real life. I call those that do that as crossing the "yuck line."

Putting you back on ignore now, and my advice is figure to you is that you figure out a way to not take riggie thread farce so personally, especially when nobody (including me) knows anything about you and not even your user name was mentioned by me in my earlier comments. If you want to toss some other comments about this then that is your choice, but I will not read nor reply to it. Our interaction is done for me, and I suggest consider taking the same approach. Goodbye.

Now, onto the next riggies!!

Note to self: Do not do business with known thieves such as jack3453.

Another phenomenal riggie takedown. Well done Monty!

Lies lies and more lies. The majority of your stable is in East Europe or Latin America, grinding out peanuts because they only need peanuts to live. It doesn't work for anyone in a first world country.

Made another $1500 today on the horses and it wasn't even a particularly good day. Easy money raining from the sky most days, and any downswings are extremely short lived. Can't say that about poker, but dinosaurs like you who refuse to upskill and move on to better opportunities will be forever destined to eat from a smaller and smaller pie I guess.

Heh, it does not work for you, because you lack the skills to compete. I probably know more about the English Premier League than you do due to all the chat about it I have to endure!

The South American stables are mainly the Brazil ones, and those are a whole different type of operation with some definite issues, but newbs like you would have no idea what those actually are anyways. Latin America is not as big as you think. Couple from Peru. Anyone from Mexico is an American living down there, so I guess you can classify that however you like based on your bigotry.

You were a failure in this industry. Zero chance you did the work or used the tools needed to compete, but that is your limitation. I laugh that you found a backer - you would never get past our screening, as a relatively quick chat would show what you are as a person (much as you did here within a few posts). Pretty easy to see the odds of failure and eventual theft would be high with you.

Congratulations on your undocumented, unverifiable results - because things admitted thieves say should always be believed . Have fun with your upskill experiment, though we all know how that will end. Hey, when it does end - you will have more "upskill" opportunities! What can I say, I am a glass half full kind of person. Anyway, I know there is a zero chance that you are using the appropriate tools for horse wagering to actually succeed long term, because you are not the type that does things in an organized and professional manner. You trust your gut more - kind of like your insights on crypto currency and vaccines. Good luck with that approach!

Thanks again for the chat - you were probably the first in a year in this dead thread to make me actually chuckle. I hope you find the bravery to post your Covid beliefs in the links I provided, because you may as well entertain others while here, since you seemed determined to stick around dying outdated forums of an industry in which you failed, committed a crime, and then quit.

All the best.

It doesn't work for anyone, that's why the only grinders are those from countries with lower costs of living, often also those from countries with piss poor labour laws who think being treated like a dog by your employer is normal. Your **** wouldn't fly with anyone who had a western standard of living to keep up, and was used to western labour rights.
Right, so these 'successful grinders' moved to Mexico because of the lower living costs because they couldn't make the bux needed to live a decent life in America.

Of course I'd get past your screening, as your type are all the same - money hungry leeches who only see dollar signs.

You should know all about those, as you've been bragging about your unverified wealth on this forum for years, possibly decades.

There are no 'tools' needed beyond a computer and internet access. This isn't some **** industry like online poker where you need to use solvers to mine a few nickels from other desperates at penny stakes. You can be making decent bank off very little training or knowledge. You wouldn't know anything about this, because at the end of the day your limited 'expertise' is in a dead field.
I was never convicted by any court and do not have any criminal record. Suck it.

No, they moved there because Americans got booted from most of the poker rooms, and moving there was how they could play. Entire communities were created for basically American poker players, and they were not cheap. One thing nearly all of them have in common is that if Stars opened fully to the USA again they would move back in a heartbeat. If you saw what some of their bills are down there, including the hundreds per month for utilities, you might start to get it, though I assume you never will understand.

Only about 1 in 10 get past the screening in the end. You would not even get past the pre-screening. You are not bright at all, and hardly clever enough to create an image that will fool anyone. I assume you went with a backer that had no idea what they were doing or one that goes with the bring 100 people on, accept that a chunk will fail/steal approach.


Actually, I have posted quite a bit of details over the various ways one can make money in this industry. Generally I wait until that method has moved on, but sometimes I realize it just does not matter like last year with the Trumpderps. I literally posted details of some of my wagers as I was doing them because the derps would never learn and would keep derping it up, which I admit made it a bit more fun for me.

That's the difference between us. I have an established successful track record over different eras in this industry. What I did in 2009 is nothing like what I do in 2021. In contrast you are a failed player who stole and now does rando bets on horses with clearly no systemic advantage approach and hopes to run hot.




I actually know the work real sharps do, and safe to say - you aint a sharp. Sharps love donks like you putting your money in, as do the shops. If you have gotten zero heat from any of them (as you suggest) then that is literally them screaming at you what they think of you, but you will never understand that.



Who cares? You proudly admit to your petty criminal activity, so you will be treated like a criminal. You can make any excuse or rationalization you like, but in the end you are a rando small time thief that moved from one failed gambling venture (where you had no advantage) to another (where you have no advantage). The eventual result for your new venture is pretty much a certainty, whether you ever admit to it or not.

All the best.

[QUOTE=Monteroy;57249192]No, they moved there because Americans got booted from most of the poker rooms, and moving there was how they could play. Entire communities were created for basically American poker players, and they were not cheap. One thing nearly all of them have in common is that if Stars opened fully to the USA again they would move back in a heartbeat. If you saw what some of their bills are down there, including the hundreds per month for utilities, you might start to get it, though I assume you never will understand.
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Lol at this BS. Hundreds for utilities in a shithole country like Mexico? Cool story bro. They moved there because it's cheaper, end of story.

The only thing I'll agree on is my backer had no idea what he was doing. Became very whiny at being told I was keeping the staking roll as compensation.
Even if you did post a few bets, which I don't care to check, it hardly counts as verifying your ridiculous earnings claims over the years here. Big deal boyo, you won a couple of bets, proves nothing. Any donk down the pub on a Friday night can claim the same thing.
The edge one can have in horse racing is utterly massive, far greater than anything in poker.
Of course I've been closed down before, but you just sign up again.
Nowhere in the world is taking money from a Stars balance in your own name a crime. You're literally withdrawing your own money.

If you really need to research this (as if you are capable of research) there are plenty of threads on this forum which detail the move many did from the USA to Mexico after Black Friday. Obviously you will not do that and instead will just believe what you want to believe and be wrong.



Really is the only way a human like you can get backing as I said. Amusing you think you would get past any screening of more experienced backers.

I assume that gave you an endorphin rush of some kind, but my approach when that happens is just post a negative feedback to warn others and move on. Pretty much everyone who does the behavior like you goes nowhere in life, so why care about it.



Actually I post the systems I use when others can no longer use them effectively. Done that a few times here, and did it with the political betting last year (when it finally ended) to those who were interested.

I would again suggest you research it - but you are not the type to do research.

That falls fully in the category of "it depends." You have not demonstrated that you have any edge whatsoever with any kind of verifiable results or even indicating that you do more than bet on horses that you think have incorrect odds. You clearly use no proper analytical data or research and probably regard those as wastes of time. I have seen what real advantage bettors use in that regard and zero chance you do anything like they do. You are just a rando donk.


You admit to stealing. You are a criminal. You will be treated like a criminal by those who know what you did, and LOL that you are the one telling people as a source of pride. Such inferior stock.

Anyways, this chat has gone about as much as it can. If you want to pretend to be successful at your new degen gambling thing without any verification after admitting to being a liar and a thief then keep at it, though of course no one will believe your unverified tales of success, and anyone with experience with people like you knows exactly how your endeavors will always end. You can get the last word if you like, but if so try to be entertaining at least, as that is what this thread is about.

All the best.

Research: Mexico has a lower cost of living than the USA. Only a moron would seriously debate it.
All backers are the same, just money hungry parasites. I'd get past em all.

So, you only post stuff after its usefulness has ended, but you expect me to post much higher value info for free? Yeah, not gonna happen.

No, it doesn't 'depend'. Anyone with a couple of hours can learn to win at horse race betting. And then it's just a case of growing the bankroll since, unlike poker, the game doesn't get harder as the stakes increase, it's still exactly the same system and exactly the same odds. Poker is much harder to make a living at, even in shitheap countries.

Remember that you're the one stuck in a dying industry, while I'm raking in the money, effort-free. Made another $2500 today, and unlike poker, no parasitical staker will see a penny of it.

Keep us updated with your pretend winnings. You can even start a blog to fake document them (maintaining your current zero documentation) on this forum.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/226/house-blogs/

Note, I made $25,000 today so that is 10 times what you pretend made. My proof is the same as yours. Tomorrow I will make $250,000, because why not. You can make that as well, just post that you did..

Remember - sleep with your box blocking the wind when you get to that point.

All the best.

You've said some goofy **** but this is one of the dumbest things stated on 2+2. There are people playing nose bleed stakes in Rosa Rita on PS/PP because you cannot play in the US.

Seriously, rhat is such a moronic statement you made.

Well done, sir! You are a competent thief.

Most women who have been raped never see their rapist brought to justice. No criminal record for those guys, so it's all good, right?