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Old 10-08-2009, 06:27 PM   #9051
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Can you explain the best way to put them together then? Do you have to export then import back? Cos obviously I still want them in hem afterwards.
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:28 PM   #9052
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Do point out the mistakes, oh ye of highly ranked pedanticness (a trait I duly admire). If it's slang you're talking about...fail.
You asked, and I'm bored so I'll indulge you. It isn't pedantic to appreciate simple legibility, and I'm being pretty forgiving below.

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How do [p]okerstars account for the ridiculoulsy unrealistically high amount of action hands[.] Every single fkn hand I see at the tables is a straight or flush. Guaranteed no questions asked, just pure fact!! In real life, games can go hours without a single top fkn pair never mind a flush! And then they say their system is checked regularly by which ever organisation they have also in the conspiracy, on a site that we can go check out the analysis's etc[.] I mean what effing proof is that????
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Wherever you ask for proof, my end or their's, it's simple fact you don't see the ridiciness in boards live as you do on line. You will do once every blue moon of course, one home game/organised event is gonna have bizarre happenings, but nothing like the to the frequency that happens on line. And forget the "but you play 1000x as many hands on line" crap, it doesn't wash. I also find it funny[,] how everyone who is against the idea of rng's randomise things way too extremely from one end of the scale to the other[,] are those who run like god, and obv those who think there's something in it...run like shyt.

Hence my comment: I'm picturing spittle spray on the screen, loud banging on the keys, yelling while posting.....

Take a deep breath, remain calm, and at least type coherent sentences, and your argument will instantly have a bit more credibility.

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Old 10-08-2009, 06:31 PM   #9053
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Can you explain the best way to put them together then? Do you have to export then import back? Cos obviously I still want them in hem afterwards.
I have poker tracker, under database management there is an option to export your hands, it shouldn't affect your base database at all. It doesn't remove them. I'm sure HEM has a similar function.
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:33 PM   #9054
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Why is it that riggedologists are never good at spelling and grammar? Is it just that they are so excited they type faster than they can think? I'm picturing spittle spray on the screen, loud banging on the keys, yelling while posting..... must be a good gif for this somewhere.
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:36 PM   #9055
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Actually, I don't think you're that bad, and I don't usually bother with this, but you asked.











Oh, and should I take your lack of response to mean you are retracting your lie that every single hand at Poker Stars results in a straight or flush?
Beside a couple of obvious typos and slang which only extremely pathetic people who can't get laid would point out, would you care to explain wot (<<<< yes deliberately misspelled cos I fkn can ) is incorrect about "also have", "their's", "that we can go" HAHAHAHA, and the position of those commas?
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:43 PM   #9056
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My god, man! This is a few levels above what I had in mind.
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:45 PM   #9057
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My god, man! This is a few levels above what I had in mind.
Ye that's more like what I'm driving you lot to, I'm perfectly calm lmao. Stars is rigged and I've proven it wooooooo. Go me
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:48 PM   #9058
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Beside a couple of obvious typos and slang which only extremely pathetic people who can't get laid would point out, would you care to explain wot (<<<< yes deliberately misspelled cos I fkn can ) is incorrect about "also have", "their's", "that we can go" HAHAHAHA, and the position of those commas?
Their is already a possessive, so no apostrophe is required. As for slang, if "emselves" was intended, then it should be 'emselves, and I have no idea what ye is supposed to be - I assume you meant yea or yeah? I sure can't get ye to sound like yeah.

I didn't point out the rest of the ones you're asking about, and I don't really feel like wasting even more time on it, so I'll let spade explain them if he cares to. Like I said, I don't usually bother, but you asked.

And I'll ask you again, should I take your lack of response to mean you are retracting your lie that every single hand at Poker Stars results in a straight or flush?

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Stars is rigged and I've proven it wooooooo.
Oh look, another lie!
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:53 PM   #9059
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Ye that's more like what I'm driving you lot to, I'm perfectly calm lmao. Stars is rigged and I've proven it wooooooo. Go me
If you have to say you are perfectly calm then you probably aren't. Your posts sound like you are on severe tilt.
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:05 PM   #9060
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If you have to say you are perfectly calm then you probably aren't. Your posts sound like you are on severe tilt.
Yeeeeee easier to spell init blud!

If the guy denied the accusation then he must have done it!! pmsl nice logic there. So their's should just be theirs? That's about all you've taught me, thanks tho. Tho. Tho. Like it? Cooool
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:11 PM   #9061
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Yeeeeee easier to spell init blud!

If the guy denied the accusation then he must have done it!! pmsl nice logic there. So their's should just be theirs? That's about all you've taught me, thanks tho. Tho. Tho. Like it? Cooool
You're confusing yourself now. I haven't commented on your grammar. As for the rest of the above post...wat?
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Old 10-08-2009, 08:10 PM   #9062
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Their is already a possessive, so no apostrophe is required. As for slang, if "emselves" was intended, then it should be 'emselves, and I have no idea what ye is supposed to be - I assume you meant yea or yeah? I sure can't get ye to sound like yeah.

I didn't point out the rest of the ones you're asking about, and I don't really feel like wasting even more time on it, so I'll let spade explain them if he cares to. Like I said, I don't usually bother, but you asked.

And I'll ask you again, should I take your lack of response to mean you are retracting your lie that every single hand at Poker Stars results in a straight or flush?


Oh look, another lie!
Seriously, you guys sure attack like you are owners of some of these sites. It's kind of creepy...
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Old 10-08-2009, 08:12 PM   #9063
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As I said above, why don't you post a week's worth of hands. You don't have to put them on 2+2: upload them to a file sharing site and post the links.

I can't imagine they'd be boring given how many bad beats and action hands they will show. Why not be the first to make claims like yours and actually back them up!
I agree, lets see some hand histories or post your video footage on Youtube. I am all for seeing proof.
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You're confusing yourself now. I haven't commented on your grammar. As for the rest of the above post...wat?
LOL!
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Old 10-08-2009, 08:35 PM   #9065
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Seriously, you guys sure attack like you are owners of some of these sites. It's kind of creepy...
Really don't know what's creepy about it. Yeah, the grammar nittery was a little silly and I usually avoid that, but he asked, so I couldn't resist.

As for the rest, well, I've confronted him on two bold-faced lies. But he's illustrated once again for me the reason I very rarely post in this thread any more. Guys like him just argue the points they want to, and ignore the rest. Of course he hasn't bothered to respond either time I've pointed out that he's lying. So yeah, probably time to step back from the thread again. Nothing but aggravating trying to have a conversation or debate with someone like that.
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Seriously, you guys sure attack like you are owners of some of these sites. It's kind of creepy...
In the real world the owners of any large company tend to pretty much ignore the fringe conspiracy guys (whether this guy is genuine or not does not matter). Frankly, I am kind of surprised that Josem responds to many of these guys. Not really sure what he ever hopes to accomplish and it seems like an exercise in futility from a business standpoint, since riggedologist/conspiracy nuts tend to drag down any conversation, which is another reason most large companies ignore them (and Michael Moore...)

Others here respond for entertainment value. That's why the whole "shill" nickname is kind of silly, as participating here is exactly what a real shill would never do for all of the above reasons.

Your perception of how a large company would behave seems a bit off Donko if you think most even care about real or fake paranoid extremists (whatever their issue is). Site owners don't care about riggedologists, the stuff we see here does not even come close to the completely insane stuff they get via email anyway.

That person, whether genuine or level troll, seems like just the type of underdog you can root for, so let's see some more support! Don't let him fall into the clutches of the Superbots.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:19 PM   #9067
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Frankly, I am kind of surprised that Josem responds to many of these guys. Not really sure what he ever hopes to accomplish and it seems like an exercise in futility from a business standpoint, since riggedologist/conspiracy nuts tend to drag down any conversation, which is another reason most large companies ignore them (and Michael Moore...)
He has another identity on here for business posts, and I don't think I've seen it in this thread. He was a 2+2er way before he went to work for a site.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:35 PM   #9068
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Why is it that riggedologists are never good at spelling and grammar? Is it just that they are so excited they type faster than they can think? I'm picturing spittle spray on the screen, loud banging on the keys, yelling while posting..... must be a good gif for this somewhere.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoID=2545859
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:53 PM   #9069
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I just find it weird how tv, who like to show only the most exciting hands in poker, never come within 50 light years of having hands as unbelievably crazy as on line sites do. Why is that?
In the last 3 years of ME coverage on ESPN, I've seen 2 different people get knocked out with KK against two other players who each got AA, and I've seen a dude with quad aces lose to a royal flush. I've never seen anything even close to that online.
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In the last 3 years of ME coverage on ESPN, I've seen 2 different people get knocked out with KK against two other players who each got AA, and I've seen a dude with quad aces lose to a royal flush. I've never seen anything even close to that online.
I saw David Sklansky on TV in one of those heads-up shootouts last year (could have been an older rerun), get AA five times in less than an hour, against one opponent (one of the women, I've forgotten which). I've never seen anything close to that online either.

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Old 10-08-2009, 11:04 PM   #9071
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In the real world the owners of any large company tend to pretty much ignore the fringe conspiracy guys (whether this guy is genuine or not does not matter). Frankly, I am kind of surprised that Josem responds to many of these guys. Not really sure what he ever hopes to accomplish and it seems like an exercise in futility from a business standpoint, since riggedologist/conspiracy nuts tend to drag down any conversation, which is another reason most large companies ignore them (and Michael Moore...)
It's certainly not a business decision to participate here

I participate here in my own time, and certainly am not paid by PokerStars to discuss this stuff here. You could probably map how I spend my time by the timings of my posts.

I post here for the same reasons that everyone else participates in this thread. I find it interesting and a little enjoyable. I find the issues involved fascinating.

In my own time, I also am involved in a bit of politics stuff and other activities that probably don't make a huge difference to making the world a better place.

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Your perception of how a large company would behave seems a bit off Donko if you think most even care about real or fake paranoid extremists (whatever their issue is). Site owners don't care about riggedologists, the stuff we see here does not even come close to the completely insane stuff they get via email anyway.
This is true
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Hmm ...

The first sighting of tk1133 at his computer.
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I saw David Sklansky on TV in one of those heads-up shootouts last year (could have been an older rerun), get AA five times in less than an hour, against one opponent (one of the women, I've forgotten which). I've never seen anything close to that online either.
It's much easier to rig the deal live.
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:22 AM   #9074
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i have proof that PS is rigged. im nearing my reload bonus right now and i'm on a huge downswing.

HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN WTF? RIGHT WHEN IM NEARING MY BONUS ITS RIGGED I TELL YOU
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:55 AM   #9075
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This conversation is really bizarre, because I think either me or you guys are missing something fundamental.

But one doesn't inspect or verify the RNG by physically standing there and looking at it. I don't understand why you would think that having physical access is even relevant here: it's not.

This is not a car factory where you can see the wheel getting attached to the axel, and the axel to the suspension. The RNG is taking place inside a computer.

Let's say that you ran a random number generator on your home PC. How would you verify it? Certainly not by just standing there and looking at the electrons move around the PC. You'd verify it by taking the results and doing some statistical analysis. Not only is that the only way to actually check the thing, it means having 24/7 physical access to the PC is irrelevant: you only need to look at the end logs and review that.


Well, the idea that some guy looking at a screen 24/7 is relevant here is really weird in my mind. Not only would that probably be the world's most boring job, it'd also be pretty ineffective.
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