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02-21-2020 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by philnewall
Previous psychology research has shown that people’s intuitions often violate the laws of probability. We are university researchers interested in whether expert poker players show these same biases in their intuitions.

This survey involves judging the relative frequency of card combinations, as well as making other judgments and answering demographic questions. Please answer based only on your memory and intuitions, and please do not attempt to look up the answers or use calculation software.

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Feel free to post your scores in this thread to see how well you did against other members of the 2+2 community.

Finally, so that you can see how you performed relative to the entire 2+2 community, we will also post the anonymous distribution of performance scores in this thread after we close the experiment.

Please do not discuss the questions in this thread as that will interfere with the experiment and give others an unfair advantage.

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02-23-2020 , 02:19 AM
Any website that doesn't let you track hands (playnow.com) is 100% rigged and steals your money.

If you told me that bubbling with 80%, 70%, 80%, 80%, 50%, 50%, 70% in one string of tournaments one day was possible, i'd say yeah it's possible. I used to be able to not say anything and be stupid enough to think this was variance, shrugging and thinking it's part of the game. But why live in denial anymore? Who am I kidding? Am I supposed to believe a lottery-tier odds event just happened to me in a negative way tonight?

The more likely event is that this is the result of not depositing in a while and that saturday is a day when their more casual player base logs in to play. I am tagged as a reg who is, I don't know, "likely to continue playing since regulars are more accustomed to variance". When people are only 10-20bbs deep in a tournament, it's very easy to force people out of the tournament at whatever position you want them to be by setting up hole cards as everyone plays certain hands the same exact way in these scenarios.

Another tag I believe they use on casual players is along the lines of this: If a player hasn't logged in six months and just came on tonight, give him some guaranteed pushes to final tables, build his addiction.

I am going to now attempt to do what Monteroy and other rigged deniers have suggested and try to game the system by depositing more frequently in smaller increments. I will also be logging in to play every 3 days instead of daily. So one session every 3 days will begin with 1 deposit.
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02-23-2020 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by KOFighter
I take it back, I won over 300 dollars after I made that post, it's not rigged, but if I keep getting sucked out on then I'll think it's rigged again.
Nothing much lamer than trolling as a fake riggie.
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02-23-2020 , 06:40 AM
The fake riggie troll thing has never worked in this thread. Riggies in general instinctively avoid each other, like toddlers in a play gym, because they want to believe in their own personalized rig, and that often times is the opposite of a different riggie's perspective. They may on some base level recognize the fake riggies, but the natural avoidance of their brethren is more at play.

One fun thing is if I include any quotes by these troll fake riggies in the annual summary they (if they notice) get pretty upset at that and then they talk about how they were kidding all along etc. This guy's stuff is so mundane so far that he does not have to worry about that.
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02-23-2020 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by KOFighter
I am tagged as a reg who is, I don't know, "likely to continue playing since regulars are more accustomed to variance".
You misspelled: "Is heavily addicted to gambling and will invest an unhealthy chunk of his liferoll just to be able to chase draws and call down to the river with bottom pair."
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02-23-2020 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dacy
Hah, reputation, while some 40% believe online is rigged, even in this well moderated and heavily populated with industry shills forum. But I am sure there might be some lower level idealistic type of employees who truly believe that the industry would not do anything to jeopardize (the almost non-existing) trust. My advice to them: Live and see.

They are always there to help, yeah? Not in my experience... Once you start with inconvenient questions, like trying to get some clarification on how they rob you and why, on say why some accounts have 90% success rate on all in coin flips against you, then you are immediately labelled as a problematic gambler (read one who creates problems for the industry), and the only help you are going to ever get is to be shown the door. In a sense, it is better than keeping losing your money there, so appreciated
Or they ban you like they did to me. Guess they didnt like my questions
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02-23-2020 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ignitionisrigged
There ya go folks ignitions software aint rigged because they say so and they don't need a license their word is more important than not having a license for the last 3 years and their rng cert terminated by a credible company"
If anyone don't find this highly suspect your dellusanional at the worst. In the USA you can't even sell cigaretts without a license yet these people have been operating a casino for 4 years without a license now and people keep saying everything is kosher.

"Matt
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@kcclucky Thank you for bringing this up to the rest of the forum as we’d love
to clear things up.

As per the letter you posted we voluntarily terminated our license with the Kahnawake gaming commission back in 2016. While at the moment we may not operate under a gaming commission, we fully comply with the rules and regulations imposed by the gaming industry and I can assure you that all personal and financial information of our players is safe.

We are actively exploring new licensing possibilities and of course once we have an update, we will let you know.

Now having said that, I can understand your concerns regarding our casino games but I can assure you that the RNG that we utilize, guarantees the unpredictability of our games whilst ensuring that their outcome is fair and not foreseen.

In such a big industry, the trust of our players is very important and as we have earned a very renowned reputation, we would not do anything to jeopardize that trust.

If you have concerns or would like us to investigate any issues, we are always here to help, so please let us know."
It's always baffled me how the anti-rigtards insist that there's nothing wrong with an online casino not having a gaming license for literally years. Anonymous poker tables and no gaming license? You're a rigtard if you don't trust that! Unreal.
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02-23-2020 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MomsBasement420
It's always baffled me how the anti-rigtards insist that there's nothing wrong with an online casino not having a gaming license for literally years. Anonymous poker tables and no gaming license? You're a rigtard if you don't trust that! Unreal.
If they want to take your money they just make up some bs reason like you're using VPN, point to the terms of service, confiscate the funds in your account and tell you go to f yourself. They don't need an elaborate rig to take your money. Think of all the coding effort that goes into perfectly tweaking the rig versus just taking the money.

Oh and if you play on an online casino that has no license you're an idiot, regardless whether you think it is rigged or not.
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02-23-2020 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
The fake riggie troll thing has never worked in this thread. Riggies in general instinctively avoid each other, like toddlers in a play gym, because they want to believe in their own personalized rig, and that often times is the opposite of a different riggie's perspective. They may on some base level recognize the fake riggies, but the natural avoidance of their brethren is more at play.

One fun thing is if I include any quotes by these troll fake riggies in the annual summary they (if they notice) get pretty upset at that and then they talk about how they were kidding all along etc. This guy's stuff is so mundane so far that he does not have to worry about that.
Let me guess, you still think it's just a coincidence that Nasa is a Hebrew word that means "to deceive". Typical rigged deniers, don't even know about the scriptures that says satan deceives the whole world. Here's a reminder for you bud:

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Also we learn in the new testament that there is spiritual wickedness in high places and also people that are called the rulers of the darkness of this world. This fact greatly increases the odds of there being rigged poker sites. Yeah maybe the one I play at isn't rigged and I'm just salty, but I am still a riggie by nature I guess you could say.
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02-23-2020 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by KOFighter
Let me guess, you still think it's just a coincidence that Nasa is a Hebrew word that means "to deceive". Typical rigged deniers, don't even know about the scriptures that says satan deceives the whole world. Here's a reminder for you bud:

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Also we learn in the new testament that there is spiritual wickedness in high places and also people that are called the rulers of the darkness of this world. This fact greatly increases the odds of there being rigged poker sites. Yeah maybe the one I play at isn't rigged and I'm just salty, but I am still a riggie by nature I guess you could say.
Way too fast, go back to Troll college.
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02-23-2020 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by UsernameTaken
Way too fast, go back to Troll college.
Yup, and trying too hard.
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02-23-2020 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by UsernameTaken
Way too fast, go back to Troll college.

My entire post was sincere.
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02-23-2020 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KOFighter
My entire post was a sincere attempt to troll.
FYP.

The only thing lamer than being a fake riggie troll is attempting to deny it when you're caught.
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02-23-2020 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
FYP.

The only thing lamer than being a fake riggie troll is attempting to deny it when you're caught.

I do not attempt to deny that I was trolling, I deny that I was trolling. That post I made is sincere whether you like it or not.
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02-23-2020 , 05:25 PM
Guess you can work on your material in the religion forum if you want to continue with that angle

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-god-theology/

and when there you can see if "Godboy" is still around, as he has not visited here for a while, though he may have been one of those politics people who got shown the virtual door. Been a few other religious riggies over the years, but they tend to be kind of misplaced and dull, even when genuine. Legitimate wacky riggies are much more amusing as a form of entertainment.

Bobo, why don't you just say what this person's past account was as you have with others doing this bit, and its obviously not a new user. Is it that guy who mods are insta banning /deleting posts that talked about creating a ton of accounts using a tor server or something?

Hopefully these people vote for the riggie side with their excess accounts. Still a shame that the riggie side in a riggie poll within a riggie thread filled with multi-accounting riggies still cannot get the riggie side to 50%.
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02-23-2020 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Guess you can work on your material in the religion forum if you want to continue with that angle

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-god-theology/

and when there you can see if "Godboy" is still around, as he has not visited here for a while, though he may have been one of those politics people who got shown the virtual door. Been a few other religious riggies over the years, but they tend to be kind of misplaced and dull, even when genuine. Legitimate wacky riggies are much more amusing as a form of entertainment.

Bobo, why don't you just say what this person's past account was as you have with others doing this bit, and its obviously not a new user. Is it that guy who mods are insta banning /deleting posts that talked about creating a ton of accounts using a tor server or something?

Hopefully these people vote for the riggie side with their excess accounts. Still a shame that the riggie side in a riggie poll within a riggie thread filled with multi-accounting riggies still cannot get the riggie side to 50%.

Though you speak with confidence, you are wrong with your assumption. This is my only account and I made it on here after reading through this rigged thread I found on google at the beginning of the month.
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02-23-2020 , 08:04 PM
Sure. No real difference in the end.

Take my advice and work on that religion schtick a bit in the appropriate forum, then come back here filled with riggie fire and brimstone and then we can see if we can have a little fun at your expense. As played so far - very boring (whether genuine or a troll), so listen to the voice of experience and reason and do what you need to bring your game to the next level. I say this to a lot of riggies or riggie trolls/wannabes/whatevers - stop being so boring. Be the one that breaks that mold and turns an initial mundane, boring bit into something more fun, or be like those before you - vanish without anyone remembering within a few days or a week. Your choice in the end. Don't forget to vote in the riggie poll - the riggie side needs all the help it can get.

All the best.

Last edited by Monteroy; 02-23-2020 at 08:10 PM. Reason: Also, quit all forms of poker etc. etc.
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02-23-2020 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KOFighter
I do not attempt to deny that I was trolling, I deny that I was trolling.
Yes, you are correct. You are indeed (falsely) denying you're trolling.

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Originally Posted by KOFighter
That post I made is sincere whether you like it or not.
What I like has nothing to do with it; there is nothing sincere about any of your posts in this thread. Seems odd to me that you want to continue to play this game, as it's a pretty pathetic accomplishment if you fool people into thinking you mean the ridiculous things you say in a thread full of people saying ridiculous things - especially when you do such a poor job of it.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Bobo, why don't you just say what this person's past account was as you have with others doing this bit, and its obviously not a new user.
No idea who it is, nor do I really care.
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02-23-2020 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yes, you are correct. You are indeed (falsely) denying you're trolling.


What I like has nothing to do with it; there is nothing sincere about any of your posts in this thread. Seems odd to me that you want to continue to play this game, as it's a pretty pathetic accomplishment if you fool people into thinking you mean the ridiculous things you say in a thread full of people saying ridiculous things - especially when you do such a poor job of it.


No idea who it is, nor do I really care.
What was so ridiculous about saying Nasa is a Hebrew word that means "to deceive" and that there is rulers of the darkness of this world? Those are both verifiable facts. Online poker sites have already been busted with rigs in the past, which ones have been operating without getting busted yet? Don't you think it's more likely that most online poker is rigged? Why wouldn't an employee of pokerstars set up or help a friend set up some bot farms that would be hard to detect?
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02-23-2020 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KOFighter
What was so ridiculous about saying Nasa is a Hebrew word that means "to deceive" and that there is rulers of the darkness of this world? Those are both verifiable facts. Online poker sites have already been busted with rigs in the past, which ones have been operating without getting busted yet? Don't you think it's more likely that most online poker is rigged? Why wouldn't an employee of pokerstars set up or help a friend set up some bot farms that would be hard to detect?
Too funny.

Makes for good movie script material, the Lords of Darkness creep into all levels of civilization, especially the semi black market of online poker in the US.

OTOH, what sites have been busted for rigs? Is this the army of darkness coming in to scoop, or the FBI?
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02-24-2020 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Too funny.

Makes for good movie script material, the Lords of Darkness creep into all levels of civilization, especially the semi black market of online poker in the US.

OTOH, what sites have been busted for rigs? Is this the army of darkness coming in to scoop, or the FBI?
You aren't asking sincere questions, so I won't answer with sincere answers. You are looking to mock, yet what I said is true and you know it. That there are rulers of the darkness of this world and there is spiritual wickedness in high places.
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02-24-2020 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by KOFighter
What was so ridiculous about saying Nasa is a Hebrew word that means "to deceive" and that there is rulers of the darkness of this world? Those are both verifiable facts. Online poker sites have already been busted with rigs in the past, which ones have been operating without getting busted yet? Don't you think it's more likely that most online poker is rigged? Why wouldn't an employee of pokerstars set up or help a friend set up some bot farms that would be hard to detect?
You should be flattered that I assume you couldn't possibly mean the ridiculous things you say. I'd have to have a pretty low assessment of your powers of reasoning to believe you meant them.
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02-24-2020 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by KOFighter
Online poker sites have already been busted with rigs in the past
Lies make baby jesus cry.
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02-24-2020 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
You should be flattered that I assume you couldn't possibly mean the ridiculous things you say. I'd have to have a pretty low assessment of your powers of reasoning to believe you meant them.

Well Nasa being a hebrew word is not a controversial statement. And if you asked most people today if the people at the top of this world are evil, most people would say yes. That doesn't mean it's true, but it at least means it's not controversial. Why is it so hard to believe that I meant those two statements?
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02-24-2020 , 05:59 AM
Bigot riggies are the nut low in terms of being interesting. I get that you will vanish very soon, but can't you at least try to be less boring before doing that? Don't forget to vote.

All the best.
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