Yeah. Pretty badly. Read it over again if you like, but you would not like it.

Feel free to continue to come here every few months, following me, to say that, without realizing how ironic your statement is.

I would not care. Nothing said in this thread matters, and while it is a nice bit of amusement once in a while, it hardly matters. Seems to matter to you a lot more than me, I just dial in most of my replies, due to the limited capabilities of my opponents here. In contrast, your posts drip with genuine frustration and emotion.

That aspect of the business died long ago, which is why I adapted to stay current. Most of the people I speak to in this thread either were never successful, or their success has long passed them by because they were unable to compete or adapt. They should move on, just like you should to other ventures.

Guess that is something you would care about. I don't.

No, it is not much of a debate. You are a simple human, who was butthurt over a debate here months ago, and came back for a second round, and went down on the canvas again. I guess obsessing about movies about me was in your mind a way to win a debate here, but it just showed how emotionally fragile you are, and not much else.

Quit all forms of poker. Get over what another person says on the internet to you. Never play poker again. Never visit this forum or thread again. Genuine advice that I know someone like you lacks the emotional stability to ever follow.

All the best.

Epic. And finishes with the "all the best" sign off. Lol. Love it

Opening Scene From "Montys 2"

Monteroy is vsiting his local doctor



Dr What: "So what seems to be the problem Mr Monteroy?"

Monteroy: " I have some pain in my wrists and hands"

Dr What: "Seems you have carpal tunnel syndrome"

Monteroy: "Well? What has caused that?"

Dr What: "Seems like you are a Mass Debater and a chronic one at that. We have places that can cure that"

Dr What : "Are you OK Mr. Monteroy? You look shocked. Oh, and another thing we have diagnosed that you dont have what us normal people call "a sense of humour"
This is a serious condition....you need help!

Monteroy: "You are just part of the conspiracy. I'm getting the gang back and we are going to whore you."


Monteroy turns very red in the face and leaves.

Cameras focus on reception area.

Monteroy: " I want to pay my bill"

Receptionist: " I heard a voice, but I cant' see anyone. Oh there you are"

Cameras zoom out.

Monteroy is at the counter of the reception area. He is not tall enough to be at eye level with the counter.

Monteroy pays his account and fumes out to his car. It just so happens its a VW Beetle and a 1968 model, a sort of dirty yellow color.


George Clooney: "Cut. And thats a take. So go home and have a good rest and by the way.....and all the best"

You seem deeply obsessed with the above concept. Kind of weird, but riggies come in all shapes and sizes. Still, I will play along with a more accurate screenplay.


Riggie: Lot of whines about a rig that is easy to see

Monteroy: Wow, you can make money with that if your beliefs are true. Here is how you do that.

Riggie: Lot more whining, and some obsessing about Monteroy.

Monteroy: Since you refuse to make money by exploiting your rig, you genuinely should quit poker and move on with your life

Riggie: Lot more whining, and some obsessing about Monteroy.


The end?



All the best.

There are other ways of complying with anti-money laundering requirements that are less onerous on customers.

For example, by allowing cash outs to the same place that the money came from.

Obviously, returning money where it came from does not have much of a money-laundering risk from the point-of-view of the operator (certainly no more than the issuer of that financial instrument). It isn't possible for all deposit methods, but you could combine that with rules that allowed trivial transactions to be processed as well to reduce the harm on legitimate players.


(I deleted the bit in the middle of your quote 'cause it wasn't relevant to my post)

I understand that what I am suggesting here is somewhat beyond what the average customer service guy can address; it is more like up to the programmers, and those who ordered the software features I am talking about to begin with, and yes, I know that these guys are bound by non-disclosure agreements, and by brotherhoods of unknown character, like the russian "vori v zakone", who knows, perhaps a common religion that says it is OK to rob anyone who is not in their tribe? I had escalated matters, but probably never got to one of those; why would they bother to answer, and what they could say really? Yes we screwed you, you caught us, please accept our sincere apologies? It is not in their job description anyway. My best shots are guys that talk and sound like you, like "What are you talking about, we would never do such thing; does not make sense, you would better work at your game, etc." And no, in fact I am trying very hard TO SEE the reality. What you suggest sounds like a reasonable explanation; it makes sense, but it does not invalidate what I suggest. And those programmers, well, one of them might talk at the end. People get disappointed, or change believes, or get cancer and facing dying disclose truths that they never planned to disclose; something might happen along these lines. I am not the first to notice and explain, and I have certainly heard about this pattern from other people as well; at different forums and sites, at live poker tables, and otherwise. I hope more marks of the industry will start looking at the correlation between bankroll and depositing over time, and start figuring the pattern I am talking about; perhaps, at the end it will be possible to confront the perpetrators and prove something. Like the "bone" mode and the "kill the mark" one. Perhaps, one day a site will recieve cumulative statistics from a group of marks rather than an individual report, or request to explain the weird reverse proportionality between the distance from a deposit and the convergence of the mark's bankroll to zero. Perhaps not, the history shows the world is developing and moving ahead, in spite of the occasional darkness here and there. Criminals get away with their crimes sometimes. What I am observing makes sense to me and some other people; I hope it will start making sense to more. Meanwhile, you can keep gaslighting me into believing I do not know what I am talking about; that I am a bad player, have tilt control issues, etc. etc. But just a friendly advice: Take extra care if you meet me at the tables of a brick and mortar casino...

The recipe meanwhile remains short and sweet: attach a simple function to each player, based on profiling, like distance from a deposit (measured in days, or hours, or number of hands), and some other depositing characteristics, like size and frequency of depositing, level of play, and game choice, and base the software decisions on the value of this function. Throw some randomness to make it less detectable, and you have a perfect money making machine that drains everything from the marks' pockets (sources) and sends it to the site's pockets (sinks), and works as I explained before. If anyone has doubts that this can be done, just hire me, or send me PM; I will go into more detail. I have already paid over a million to the industry, would not mind earning something back. And if you still believe they do not do it to you, well, do so at your own peril.

I am quite tempted to post some of these sequences at the "get to zero stage"; these are just beats, bad beats galore, but normal beats as well; it is just that they come in an impossible to disturb sequence, like 10, 20 in a row, whatever is needed to get your bankroll to zero and make you deposit again (or quit online alltogether, whatever your belief is); I have posted sequences like this before, and I know the reaction of the non-riggies, aka site workers. I am quite tempted to start posting regularly; the problems is, once I start doing this, there will be workers aka shills who will recognize hands, figure which site the hands are coming from and who the mark is, and will perhaps interfere with my profiling; I might even get some kind of relief in the form of a fair card distribution, like not one depending on my depositing But then I will not be able to prove my point... So, I will stick to my losing patterns for now. What the marks need is a networking and collecting information, which remains undetected long enough until a statistically significant quantity of information is collected. All they needed to look at is how the success in winning hands changes with the distance from their last deposit, from pretty good immediately after a deposit to dismal at the end stage, like 100% inability to win an all in.

I like what you suggest. Stop being a prey, aka mark of the industry, Never deposit again, etc. Would be definitely a relief for my bankroll. Would be good for the industry too. No noise about sites being rigged; the whiners forgot and moved away with their life, so we can keep doing what we have been doing undisturbed, right? Is that what you are preaching, or you are really concern about the marks well being and not about the peace of mind of the industry?

You definitely should quit all forms of gambling, but that is because it is the best choice for you. The sites do not care about a riggie whining in a riggie thread, nothing said in these threads matters at all, and when one riggie vanishes (most do) another appears and repeats much of the same riggie tropes (been very little creativity from riggies lately). The sites are happy if you choose to keep depositing and your opponents are happy if you continue to play. Only you benefit by quitting. It is exactly what someone like you should do. Really is that simple.

With regard to your bad beats, in that area you are in luck, as there is actually a forum dedicated to posts about bad beats.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...rags-variance/

You did try posting there nearly a decade ago claiming to have lost over $400,000, and pitching the same riggie beliefs then that you are doing now.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...24/?highlight=

That really shows why you should quit - here you are nearly 10 years later and you have literally not changed or adapted, however the BBV forum has changed a bit over the years, so I suggest you give it another shot there with a long story. I very rarely post there so you will not have to deal with me, and you should get the respect you deserve having continued in this industry so long in the way you approach it.

After you post a new thread there, quit all forms of gambling for the rest of your life. I suspect I am not the first person to tell you this, and if you actually listened to this valid advice then you would thank me in the future. I know you will not change though, and that is part of the fun of threads like this!

All the best.

dacy

Do you use or have you ever used PT or HEM?

Yes, I am still around. What is your point? What remains the same is how the sites operate. Funny enough, we have the same opinion on the impossibility of me being winning player online; it is just that your explanation is more like site customer service response: You are a prey of the "better" players, while mine is "the sites rig the software". You do not believe that anything could change, and neither do I. Perhaps you know something I do not? You are adamant that I cannot win online. No possibility of learning how to play better and stop seeing these conspiracies? Perhaps I can hire Galfond, or Tolerene to get some more insights? Still no chance? Hmm, must be rigged then... There are no better players; I know where I am in each hand, I know what they are doing and why they are doing it, just like in a live poker game. What I do not know is how they are getting the right cards every time there is a big pot; well, I actually do know that already... What I do not really know is more like an optimization question: Would not the sites be better off without the cheating? Would not be better if they provide a fair game and kind of normal experience, rather than collecting every deposit that comes their way? When and why did this all started? (I am pretty sure it was around the time the US players left PP, some time around 2006) but some serious research and/or insider info will be needed to answer this question precisely.)

Anyway, I kept asking questions to which the sites did not have answers, like to explain these long sequences of losing every all in when sufficiently far from a fresh deposit. And yes for those who are interested - I used HUD; in fact I am educated enough to write my own software to analyze the hands I play, and connect the data with the size and time of my deposits, but with the sites it was easy to ask these questions - they have all of my hands; what they did not have is answers; they did not have appropriate answers regarding these sequences of losing every pot when far from deposit, and about particular accounts to which these sequences were inevitably going. So they chose the easier path - just banned me, one by one, usually after some polite but fruitless communication with different representatives of the customer service. Naturally, the line was that there are no problems with their software - they only tried to point out some problems with me. Like playing too much (I guess they did not like the fact that one starts seeing what is going on after some time).

View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes 3,321 35.00%
No 5,334 56.22%
Undecided 833 8.78%

Funny statistics here: 3,321 marks of the industry voted yes; 5,334 shills and other employees of the industry chimed with a "no". Non-riggies won! Or did they?

Shockingly, you will not listen to the genuine advice that you really need to quit, which to be fair is fine with me, as the advice was not given with any real concern what you chose to do, and also knowing that you cannot actually quit.

How you choose to continue to deposit/lose/create weird excuses for another decade or more is totally your choice, and you can go as long as you like until you run out of money. At that time, when you are forced to quit, you can modify your decades long paranoid beliefs to account for that. That way you can continue to be the main character in a story that only you actually believe or care about.

Anyway, do another "fresh" deposit, only this time click the button with your foot and not your hand. Perhaps that will break their system.

All the best.

P.S. Some riggies voted dozens of times in the poll with extra posting accounts. Riggie polls in riggie threads are rigged, and even with that the riggies still cannot get the majority. DO your part in between deposits and create some extra accounts and vote up the riggie side.

If the site(s) you play on can't satisfy your questions, then you should not play on them. Go find a different game to play - I enjoy playing chess on the chess.com mobile app.

In all of your posts you seem to have this misguided idea that your deposits belong to the site. They don't, they belong to you until another player wins them or the sites collects rake from it. And they get their rake no matter who wins.

If your theory is actually that all the players beating you are house players who have some kind of superuser powers, then that is something entirely different and you should state it. Be clear which paranoia you have at least.

My idea is clear - my deposits go to the sites' pockets eventually; there are many ways of how the details would work, but, yes, via house players, bots, shills, props; many possible ways to rig the software. Without knowing what they run at the moment we play, we have no control where the money goes and how. And no, my idea is backed by thousands of observation on how my bankroll moves; their boys do not have to be superusers (although this has happened before, so I would not exclude the possibility of it happening now). What I am saying is it is easy to tweak the software to always give the "bone" mode to their house players, so they are only in the collect mode, while the marks can enjoy this mode only after a fresh deposit; some time after that the software switches to the "kill-the-mark" mode, and it is virtually impossible to win a big pot; I mean, with some randomness introduced here and there, one cannot make absolute statements, but it suffices to give you, say one big pot and screw you on the next two to move your bankroll toward the desired zero, and that is what happens inevitably in my playing experience.

I asked sites a simple question: Explain these dismal sequences of losing an enormous number of big pots some time after a deposit, pots where I am either a favorite at the time money goes in, or coin flips of some kind. I also asked them a similar question about their boys - accounts that I marked as shills: How come these accounts do not lose a pot against me when I am in "the-kill-the-mark" mode. Naturally, no one bothered to explain anything, no one bothered to look at my hand history (the parts that correspond to "the kill-the-mark" mode, that is sufficiently far from a fresh deposit) and explain the anomalies. The outcome was the same regarding the questions about their boys' performance. All I got was basically: We do not do that, our RNG is checked and the software is checked, and we collect the rake, so why would we do that, etc. All kind of irrelevant bs that I can find plenty of here. At the end I would get some advice on money management, play for entertainment, and within entertainment budget, etc. Basically saying: We do not actually want that much money from you, you kind of deposit more that we want to get from you. We just want a little bit here and there, no such long sessions and such an unpleasant (for us) observations. These long sessions are reserved for our boys, right; for our money printing machines. No friggin up to the point answer. Why? Because it is impossible to give such an answer. It is impossible to hear an answer like: Yes we screw you every time you come to the site, now shut up and go! So they took the easy way: Just suspended/closed my accounts, and stopped responding to further attempts for communication. I do not know about you, but to me this looks like: "Well, we have something to hide. It is a trade secret we cannot disclose to a random mark or to the public". Perhaps if confronted publicly with all the correspondence, they will say something to the tune of they do not have the resources to address questions like mine, whatever.

They do it out of desperation, out of fear they will lose the race. Think about one of the big sites - they have to pay salaries, they have to make profit, they have to keep some big names with big salaries to attract the attention, they have to pay the shills. Where do this money come from? Rake? Certainly, but is that such a big source? The player base dwindled over the years. More and more players get screwed, get scared and run away. Probably due to observations like mine; it is impossible to win long term; always the same scenario. The fast games I played at PS for example moved from 200+ players to, say 20-30; most of them marked as shills in my notes, so who does provide the omnipotent rake then? Well, few marks like me, which although significant is not that much to keep the business running. At PP one cannot really find these running, except for the rare hour here and there, bar the couple of shills that always hang around ready to start the game. So they do what they have to do to survive. Hiding in Gibraltar, Malta, Isle of Man and other difficult to reach jurisdictions, they can do whatever you can imagine to take your money. It is like a game at the backroom of your pub, do not get your expectations too high for a fair game. You want to be a mark for their industry, be their guest. I might follow Monteroy's advice soon and give up on online. You are advised the same, it is a good advice, I agree.

Hmm, a bit biased opinion, do not you think? One can say the same for the non-riggies' votes; not that it is not clear to which camp you belong, but to know that for sure you might have some insider information, like riggie A voted N times, riggie B voted M times, etc. Can you share this information (including the non-riggie votes) so we know what the real counts are?

Definitely not just me; it is all over the internet; sites do their diligence to silence it; the most drastic action I have ever seen was how they managed to silence a huge site called XXXXpokerstars.com, where people shared observations like mine. The address now redirects to all kind of crappy sites; the coding wizards might share how it is done. Very well connected and powerful industry indeed; good friends at Google, I suppose.

A handful of these networks are publicly traded. That means they have audited financials so you can see how ridiculous your claims and suggestions are.

To take it a step further, Coin Poker is as transparent as it gets as they go so far as to show you the exact order of all the cards in the RNG and the hands played.

You write so much without saying anything. Your quest for the great reverse Fermi Paradox of the poker world is silly. Sites that have devious people just steal your money outright. They don't create some subtle nuances to pilfer off pennies at a time.

Nah. This thread is littered with a ton of riggies who have had accounts banned who spring back up, vote, then get banned again. Repeat over and over. One riggie years ago said he was going to personally vote a few hundred times. I encouraged him to vote a few thousand times so the riggie side in a riggie poll in a riggie thread could finally "win."



Apparently, you are not that good at reading other people. Perhaps that explains your decades long losing track record at poker.

Bobo and Mike Haven would know that better, and during the more active times they would once in a while point out the list of multiple accounts of some repeat offenders. I just think when a person gets banned twice their IP should be perma banned at that point, but then I hate wasting time on riggie retreads who pretend to be new ones.


This may shock you, but every crazy belief is "all over" the internet. Feel free to google Flat Earth, and you will have more theories and information to read than you will ever get through in your lifetime. Actually, consider becoming a flat Earther - it will be better financially for you than poker.

Heh, I know who used to run that and other sites like that. They were affiliate sites and his gimmick was creating a platform for riggies to complain about the rigs, and he encouraged them to sign up to sites (some with instant bankrolls) to help uncover the rigs on all the rooms. He created forums for riggies, and every riggie crazy (even yours as presented here) would be unconditionally praised. I think I even linked that (or one of his other) sites in this thread many, many years ago because I really thought what he was doing was quite funny. I have talked about it a number of times in this thread over the years.

Those sites were really active during the bonus whoring era, so while I found that business plan to be a riot, and a clever niche within a crowded affiliate industry, it also was something that could not last long (industry maturing, and riggies tend to be flaky customers with minimal money), and there were much better ways to make money with a similar lifespan in those days.

While it did not make him millions like some other affiliates, I always thought what he did was a nice creative approach to targeting a market, and exploiting them by giving them what they wanted, in this case a platform for them to vent, and he made 50-100 bucks every time one signed up at a site to do it. Given how you still praise it 10ish years later, that shows the power of what his approach was to the right target market. Good stuff, wish he made more with it. It died long ago, so his site expired and was likely picked up by essentially a cybersquatter.

Thanks for reminding me about that place, I appreciated the memory .


All the best.


Edit to add - one other site the guy ran was pokerisrigged (think that is the one I talked about a few times in this thread way back). I did some searches and found a "press release" from 2008 of that site teaming up with some Student Poker Society, and it is a great example of how he catered to riggies (and also a bit to others). Fun stuff!

Here is a link to a post I made in 2011 encouraging riggies to visit his site to post their observations (I should have asked for a referral fee ) https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=168

This isn't a hard question. At some point every poker player (live or online) has streaks like that, and at some point before that, the player deposited money. If you are an average or slightly above average player usually the only time you have to redeposit is when you have had a losing streak (duh). So in hindsight, you see it as "every time I deposit I run good for a while and then they turn on the doomswitch, I lose and have to redeposit." But you have the cause and effect backwards. It isn't that depositing makes you run good for a time. It's that the eventual bad streak makes you have to deposit afterwards.

The ability of the human mind to invent patterns in randomness is staggering.

I would also challenge you to show how a rigged deal would bring in more rake for the site, and show your work with some math. It isn't nearly as straightforward as most riggies think. Cheating or superusing by insider players, sure, but a non-random deal to make more rake is somewhat of a challenge on how to do it. Back years ago when this thread had some occasional intellectual content, people actually shot down most of the theories on how a rig would increase rake (action flops for example). And then you have to do it in a way that can somewhat hide in randomness to keep most players thinking the game is fair. Your idea that "everyone knows it's rigged but they are idiots and keep playing anyway" I don't buy that at all.

I haven't looked at these forums in a long time, but after things I've had recently I popped over here to see if there was any talk of rigged online cash game or specifically the trustworthiness of Ignition. Insider players(or some kind of bot but I'd be more doubtful about that) and a rigged deck were my thinking more than just a rigged deck to increase rake.

Of course I've had my share of bad beats and "welp that's poker sometimes" moments both online and in person but it's the frequency and especially the timing lately that raised an eyebrow for me.

I made an initial deposit, made enough to want to withdraw and I did. I then got close to again reaching the balance where I withdrew before and then hit multiple bad beats in large pots with just huge odds in my favor and play that didn't make any sense on the other end very close together to get me down close to where I started. Worked my way back up, got close to withdrawing and again, this time down low enough that I needed to deposit more.

I probably should've gotten suspicious at this point, but I deposited more and played on, got close to withdrawing and again hit awful bad beats for large amounts. Same process twice more, including earlier tonight in about a 30-45 minute stretch to get me back down to where I'd need to deposit again in order to continue playing with a deep enough stack. I mean, one of these was a guy that went all in after the turn with nothing but pocket 7s then hit a 7 on the river to beat my trip fours. I think I'm just gonna withdraw what little I have left, go on wishing I lived closer to a casino, and start making the couple hour drive more often.

I'm curious as to how hyperbolic you're being here, or if you actually believe this.

No one knows the answer to this. What I do know is that the only people I've caught doing this were riggies. Not a lot of them, but there were at least a couple that had several accounts. But I still expect that thousands of those posts are individuals, many of whom believe online poker is rigged. And there will be some who vote yes as a joke - we've had at least a couple people admit to that.

But let's throw all that out the window and assume that every vote is legit. What of it?

Wow. This paragraph is just...amazing. You're so convinced that there's this big conspiracy, that you won't let your complete lack of knowledge about the subject (domain names, redirecting, and ownership) allow you to find more "evidence" where there isn't any.

Obviously one of the following happened:

1) The owner of the domain redirected it to a casino site, to monetize the traffic they built up.
2) The owner of the domain let it lapse, and someone else picked it up because it had some traffic, and have redirected to a casino site.

Here's what didn't happen:

3) Someone at an online poker site "silenced" the owner of the domain by somehow stealing it away from him. Apparently his good friends at Google helped with this, although I have no idea how, since Google has nothing to do with changing domain ownership.

Stick with your vague RNG theories that are impossible to disprove. When you get into areas that you have no knowledge of, it just makes you look foolish.

So when you were winning it was skill?

And when you were losing it was rigged?

That's how it goes. The typical reaction of bad players is to blame luck when they lose.

This is how we have a game were the vast majority of players think they're winners when we know it can only be a few.

So someone gets lucky and makes a few bucks. Then they lose it. Then they deposit more, sure that they can win it back because they're a good player. Then they lose that, but it was just bad luck, surely next time will be it.

The weird thing about the rigged claims is that they don't think it is luck. They claim that they can't win, and yet, keep playing anyway.

Well you can call me a bad player and think that's how the process goes for me, but aside from a very long time ago when I wasn't nearly as good these are the only two deposits I've made online. Playing in person I certainly win a lot more consistently. Of course you get your unlucky bad beats anywhere, that's poker, but like I said it seems way more frequent that these bad beats with ridiculous odds hit online and the timing is suspicious too.

But yes, when I was winning it was certainly skill and when a guy pushes all in against my straight with just a pair of queens then hits runners for a flush or a guy pushes me all in with just pocket sevens while there's an ace and a queen on the board then hits a seven on the river, that's certainly luck. I could go on for a very long time, but if any time I'm winning is also luck then I am insanely lucky at live games and should probably switch to the lottery instead of poker.

And I won't keep playing anyway, like I said I just popped back over here to see if there was any kind of "avoid Ignition, it's rigged" type posts and thought I might as well throw in my experience when I saw this thread. Maybe it isn't. I obviously don't know for sure and obviously could've just gotten that unlucky many times against players making plays that make zero sense, but I do have enough doubt that I'll take my money to the casino instead. When I get unlucky or make a mistake there I do make it back. Maybe I would online too, but I just don't trust it enough at this point.

Or maybe...live poker is significantly softer than online poker.

But why go with the obvious simple explanation?

No, lets invent a huge conspiracy instead.

Yeah there are obvious differences between live and online, but in my opinion my experience has been enough to make me go from chalking it up as a combination of that and just some bad luck to getting pretty suspicious.

I don't get why you're so upset and defensive at my thinking here. I see that there are plenty of nutjobs who have convinced themselves there's absolutely no doubt it's rigged and reach for all kinds of wacky "evidence" and I can understand it in that case. I don't get why it's such a huge deal to you though for someone to just share the cliff notes version of their experience that made them suspicious and look to see what others have to say about it. If you don't think rigging a poker site is the type of thing someone would ever possibly do, that's extremely naive if you ask me.

You simply want to contact other riggies and see what the riggie culture is like. Nothing wrong with that - you are basically one of the bumble bees at the end of the Blind Melon "No Rain" video simply looking to find those with whom you can share experiences.

You will be happy to know that at the start of each year I post a riggie list (so it will be a bit outdated as any amusing additions from this calander year are not included yet), and here is a link to the most recent post of that. In it you will see riggies of all shapes, sizes and beliefs (many of which contradict other riggies), but they all share that driving force of believing something is not right, because they have seen it with their own eyes. Enjoy the list, and hopefully this will help you connect with your riggie heritage and culture and you can choose how to pursue your own riggie beliefs in the future.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=84911


All the best.

Here is what u guys won't except and inhabe no idea why. Let's just go on the topic of bad beats. Yes they happen not honestly if u play live do u think u are gonna see 15 bad beats per day? I would bet against it. If u played 300 live hand per day u wouldn't see 15 bad beats a day. Now if u play 300 online hands per day u will definely see 15 bad beats. Some of those beats may be against you and some may help you and some may be with other players. But the fact is u see more ridiculous things online then live