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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
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5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

01-30-2018 , 03:02 AM
my ps https://fr.sharkscope.com/#Player-St...layers/pegase6 im not a dude i played poker online since 13 years and and you're lucky because the algorithm lets you play
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02-03-2018 , 08:59 AM
Does anybody know of a poker game that doesn't deal cards based on algorithms and is completely random? Thanks
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02-03-2018 , 09:25 AM
What does random mean to you?
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02-03-2018 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by challenger
What does random mean to you?
Random:
"made, done, or happening without method or conscious decision."

Don't know how you could think of it any differently.. if you still don't understand, I'm talking about a random selection of cards not an algorithmic one..
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02-03-2018 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RiggedAlgorithms
Random:
"made, done, or happening without method or conscious decision."

Don't know how you could think of it any differently.. if you still don't understand, I'm talking about a random selection of cards not an algorithmic one..
How does the universe create randomness?
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02-03-2018 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
How does the universe create randomness?
It's got quantum algorithms.

Those and flux capacitors.

Yeah, that's how it does it.
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02-03-2018 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RiggedAlgorithms
Random:
"made, done, or happening without method or conscious decision."

Don't know how you could think of it any differently.. if you still don't understand, I'm talking about a random selection of cards not an algorithmic one..
So does this mean that you're one of those guys who heard that software RNGs can't be truly random, and are therefore worried about every site's RNG?

I highly doubt a pseudo-random RNGs is likely to be an issue, but many sites add an outside source of entropy, resulting in true randomness.
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02-03-2018 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
So does this mean that you're one of those guys who heard that software RNGs can't be truly random, and are therefore worried about every site's RNG?

I highly doubt a pseudo-random RNGs is likely to be an issue, but many sites add an outside source of entropy, resulting in true randomness.
Be careful with using difficult words when communicating with riggies.
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02-04-2018 , 04:14 AM
Forget the RNG for now, we should be more worried about whether our opponents are human or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHP2F9auRco

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Edit/MH: "The names I discuss as colluding aka being the same person at the high stakes pot limit omaha tables and high stakes tournament are CreateMyOwnEnergy, greenspirit, 44bars. FindTheTruth is also suspected but was not discussed in this video. The names I discuss as possible superusing type accounts are Sleepyberry from Turkey and ElJackEl from New York."

Last edited by Mike Haven; 02-04-2018 at 05:46 AM.
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02-04-2018 , 04:59 AM
Online poker has been rigged in the past and it appears it’s being rigged in the present.
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02-04-2018 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by KemiKings
Forget the RNG for now, we should be more worried about whether our opponents are human or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHP2F9auRco

Everybody, except you, on this planet, is a bot. Everybody that plays on the sites you play is a bot. Even I'm a bot and the plan to overtake humanity has begun! Stage one: Overtake Twoplustwo and ACR, completed.
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02-04-2018 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by KemiKings
Forget the RNG for now, we should be more worried about whether our opponents are human or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHP2F9auRco
Why would we forget what this thread is about to discuss what is already being discussed in 3 or 4 NVG threads?
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02-04-2018 , 05:49 AM
Would not be surprised if some of the top high stakes live players are bots too. Phil Ivey is most likely a cyborg programmed by pokerstars.
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02-05-2018 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
Everybody, except you, on this planet, is a bot. Everybody that plays on the sites you play is a bot. Even I'm a bot and the plan to overtake humanity has begun! Stage one: Overtake Twoplustwo and ACR, completed.
Who cares who is a bot and who isn't when we're all in a simulation.

By the way I'd bet there is a higher chance we are living in a simulation than Kemitard's IQ ever surpassing 90.
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02-05-2018 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Who cares who is a bot and who isn't when we're all in a simulation.

By the way I'd bet there is a higher chance we are living in a simulation than Kemitard's IQ ever surpassing 90.
Kelvis, I thought that disclosing Kemi;s IQ was Stage 3. Wasn't stage 2 supposed to be about infiltrating reptilian microchips into the brain of targeted individuals like Kemi ?
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02-05-2018 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
Kelvis, I thought that disclosing Kemi;s IQ was Stage 3. Wasn't stage 2 supposed to be about infiltrating reptilian microchips into the brain of targeted individuals like Kemi ?
We really musn't discuss this any further. It will reset the simulation and who knows what will happen to us.
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02-07-2018 , 11:37 AM
Once upon a time....
I remember seeing a video circulating back around 2004 ish of a taliban terrorist group being captured and the prisoners being marched to transport vehicles.
One if the prisoner was yell8ng, "sell your US dollars!" While one of the hooded gaurds was trying to put his hand over his mouth to shut him up....to be continued...
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02-07-2018 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyV
Once upon a time....
I remember seeing a video circulating back around 2004 ish of a taliban terrorist group being captured and the prisoners being marched to transport vehicles.
One if the prisoner was yell8ng, "sell your US dollars!" While one of the hooded gaurds was trying to put his hand over his mouth to shut him up....to be continued...
...you know this isn't just a random post dump, right?
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02-07-2018 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
...you know this isn't just a random post dump, right?
To be honest I am more interested in this story than the random whining of a riggie that lost 3 flips in a row.
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02-07-2018 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyV
Once upon a time....
I remember seeing a video circulating back around 2004 ish of a taliban terrorist group being captured and the prisoners being marched to transport vehicles.
One if the prisoner was yell8ng, "sell your US dollars!" While one of the hooded gaurds was trying to put his hand over his mouth to shut him up....to be continued...
The gaurds are some type of race, right ? Like orcs, wookies, elves ? I might even got the combination right. Is a gaurd what comes out of a orc-elf-wookie threesome ?
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02-13-2018 , 01:10 PM
In 2018 to make a living out of poker you have to sample most network operators to determine which one is fixed and which one you can make a living out of doing the right decisions.

Party poker is 100% fixed/rigged just like the iPoker network. What they do is they bring these great "promotions" but their system ensures weak players keep winning so they remain longer but at the end no one but the network is a winner receiving rake while those who are really good break even at best.

One thing you have to keep in mind about odds is they are odds which means 10% of something to happen should happen 10% over a large sampling of data, in this case hands. Where there is $ and no accountability people need to be super careful. I care far less about bots because I can beat bots but winning fixed hands is impossible. The kid will always go full buyin with 99 and 10 10 and keep hitting set as example. You'll always receive KK when they have AA or they will always see A on river with their AA when you go all in on turn.

I won't forget decade ago at Ongame (Revolution) Network on heads up 1v1, after just few hands on flop with 4610 without any reraises preflop he decided to go all in for $8400 USD, he kept reraising and reraising on the flop as he was 100% certain I had K 10 which was good enough to beat with his 10 A. I only did it because I wanted to quit poker then and the only way I was going to be able to do it for sure is try to throw all the $ away.

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02-13-2018 , 10:12 PM
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Party poker is 100% fixed/rigged


Naw. Your just bad m8
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02-26-2018 , 01:03 AM
I'm really legit curious at this point. I've played online on and off for years mostly stars. I've had one big cash on stars of 4500. I have an itm of 23.8% (I only play mtts online). Now my issue not exactly the bad beats but every time I'm super deep in a tourney I'll get into a hand where a guy that is playing solid will randomly CALL OFF like 50+bb with complete air and flop the nuts to bust me out. It's so sketchy because it's not the early stages where it's full of shooters and it's not like 20bb calls I'm talking 50-100 bbs calling off with air n flopping the nuts. It's seriously like they know it's coming. I have no problems getting in the money but every time I'm deep its like someone has ****ing cheat codes or something? I've played 2 live tourneys this year and I've cashed for 16,500. I play a lot of 1/2 live as well n do well. But I can't win on stars. I can get in the money n slowly lose my bankroll but every time I'm in a spot to go to final table n get a big payout this **** happens and I really am starting to feel like something isn't right.
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02-26-2018 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by taxcollectord
I'm really legit curious at this point. I've played online on and off for years mostly stars. I've had one big cash on stars of 4500. I have an itm of 23.8% (I only play mtts online). Now my issue not exactly the bad beats but every time I'm super deep in a tourney I'll get into a hand where a guy that is playing solid will randomly CALL OFF like 50+bb with complete air and flop the nuts to bust me out. It's so sketchy because it's not the early stages where it's full of shooters and it's not like 20bb calls I'm talking 50-100 bbs calling off with air n flopping the nuts. It's seriously like they know it's coming. I have no problems getting in the money but every time I'm deep its like someone has ****ing cheat codes or something? I've played 2 live tourneys this year and I've cashed for 16,500. I play a lot of 1/2 live as well n do well. But I can't win on stars. I can get in the money n slowly lose my bankroll but every time I'm in a spot to go to final table n get a big payout this **** happens and I really am starting to feel like something isn't right.


The post right directly above yours applies to you as well...
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02-26-2018 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by taxcollectord
I'm really legit curious at this point. I've played online on and off for years mostly stars. I've had one big cash on stars of 4500. I have an itm of 23.8% (I only play mtts online). Now my issue not exactly the bad beats but every time I'm super deep in a tourney I'll get into a hand where a guy that is playing solid will randomly CALL OFF like 50+bb with complete air and flop the nuts to bust me out. It's so sketchy because it's not the early stages where it's full of shooters and it's not like 20bb calls I'm talking 50-100 bbs calling off with air n flopping the nuts. It's seriously like they know it's coming. I have no problems getting in the money but every time I'm deep its like someone has ****ing cheat codes or something? I've played 2 live tourneys this year and I've cashed for 16,500. I play a lot of 1/2 live as well n do well. But I can't win on stars. I can get in the money n slowly lose my bankroll but every time I'm in a spot to go to final table n get a big payout this **** happens and I really am starting to feel like something isn't right.
I GOT CARRIED AWAY HERE - U CAN JUST READ THE 1ST TWO PARAGRAPHS.

Here is my 2 cents. I agree with you. I'm an American & our politicians (people that want jobs to get more money & power for themselves) have ruined online poker for us. And this is the land of the free....LOL....our plutocracy has basically taken away our choice to play online poker or not, yea, we have a few lousy sites left.

I don't think anybody can give u the kind of answer or info that u want. Seems u will just have to make a decision with the info u have.

Before that happened, I had my 3 favorite sites (out of dozens to choose from) where I would win consistently in the long run. But these went away & then I found a site that had MTT's with unlimited rebuys for the 1st hour and then a final add-on. I loved these.

There would always be players that would play almost any 2 cards in a multi-way pot to end up with a big stack b4 the add-on. While many times they would get their big stack - if they didn't finish in the top 10 or top 5 sometimes - they would lose money.

I would player weaker hands than usual in some spots, but I would never go crazy. Anyway - one night I went to log-in & I couldn't. I finally came here to c if there was any news and there was. That site sold/gave away all its American players to another site.

We were given no warning that this was going to happen & I found out why. This was a bitter pill to swallow & its when I gave up playing for any meaningful amounts of money anymore. I had been doing so well in those MTT's with the rebuys & add-ons. Well, this new site had one tourney that allowed 1 rebuy and 1 add-on.

I used to go to some site called Shark scope or something like that which data mined tourneys & I could click on a button that showed my MTT results on a graph for free & I could look at my opponents win/loss graphs too as long as I let them look at mine.

But basically, I'm still a computer novice & don't know enough to use Pokertracker or Hold-em manager which I knew young, smart, computer players were using on me. Then its not even poker anymore.

Anyway - the thing about being moved to the other site without any notification that it was going to happen was the straw that broke the camel's back for me & online poker. Why, cause this new site charged you $100 for a withdrawal where the other one gave u a free withdrawal once a month.

So if we would have been notified, I would have withdrawn all my money b4 I was moved to the new site. I wrote to the new site & told them that if any bank did this u could sue them. But they knew as an online poker site on some island or country there was nothing I could really do about it and they were right.

There have been many scandals in the online poker business. Whenever a lot of money is involved in something, there are always going to be people cheating or trying to in many forms. I just play for very small stakes now because I don't trust online poker - period.

I lost the biggest hand I ever played online too. And that hand gave me the feeling u have - something isn't right. I was playing $1-$2 NLHE. I had been at it for a while and was doing well....I had a little over $600. I got dealt KK - my opponent (who had been playing pretty wild & getting lucky & I knew if he stuck around much longer - his luck would change - but at this moment, he had me covered).

The flop came K-4-4 and he went all-in & I obviously called for my $600 or so. He flipped over A-K. The turn & river came 4-4. Yep, I felt something isn't right. That was the 2nd highest NLHE hand I ever played, I lost both.

Oh yea, when I was playing live, this casino in Tucson, rigged some of the bad beat jackpots. Everybody at the table was in on it & it always happened on the graveyard shift. The shift manager would bring the new decks to the table, one player would stand in the exact spot to block the eye in the sky.

I knew these people. I saw the shift manager (he was eventually put on paid leave, somebody fessed up finally) at the other Tucson casino at the time, and he was playing video keno all day to try & hit a big one. At the other Tucson casino - there was a drawing for 2 cars and that was rigged.

The winner I knew & he was standing next to me that night & he couldn't help himself from telling me that when they drew the 1 winning ticket from this big drum with thousands of names, they would call his. And he was right. He obviously colluded with the drawer of the ticket, Maybe the guy palmed it.

That guy thought I would think more highly of him by telling me he got it rigged somehow. He was wrong! I had a lot of tickets in that drum. You got one by playing a lot of poker for 3 months b4 the drawing and every time u got a very strong hand (don't remember exactly what qualified), the dealer would give u a ticket to sign, and she would turn them into the shift boss, who would put them in this big drum.

So the guy that won only played enough poker until he got one ticket.
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