Riggies never present any here of value. Like you they tend to be allergic to verifiable facts.

Case in point. This is not verifiable, and even if it was it is not a fact of any value, but in future you should consider bluffing people like this less often when they call 100% of the time.

Try check raising for a change. That's what better players do apparently.

All the best.

What facts do I deny? I don't see any facts presented here

Your answer of course had nothing to do with my post (as per your style), however I agree that we do not see any facts here, because while riggies need to provide facts to back their theories, including you, none to date have done that, including you. That is why this thread is what it is - riggies make stuff up and shills have fun at their expense. I realize that as simple as this post was you will not understand it at all.

All the best.

I had read about this before but I experience this many many times.

Once I am away from pokerstars for a while and then deposit, I get so lucky getting amazing cards, hitting the flop all the time... I even once got AAs 4 times in a cash game in about 5-10 minutes! It was so easy to double my money. Can you imagine AAs four times in 10 minutes!! Crazy!!!

I was feeling even shy because I was always winning with great hits and cards... I hardly lost... I even started playing with ****ty cards and still winning, hitting a set or making straignt or minimum 2 pair!!

But, after 1-2 weeks or once you double your money, they start giving you a very bad luck. You never hit anything on the flop, no good cards dealt (usually 2-9, 2-7, 2-9 are typical cards you get...) or you never get even pairs pre-flop...

1st week after I deposited: AA, KK , QQ or JJ at least 20 times in a few hours of play.

2nd week after I doubled money: No pair dealt at all pre-flop and always losing, no chance to win....

So, I am almost sure they do something funny...

**** man! I am sick of seeing this game being rigged almost everywhere!

You'll love this thread! Coincidentally, your post is about to be moved there

live and online rigged?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...37/?highlight=

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...39/?highlight=

Yes my experiences with pokerstars and in some live casinos led me to the conclusion that poker is rigged in various places... You can choose to be naive and keep trusting those organizers fully but I choose not to believe anymore as I see too many abnormalities...

I don't understand why not many people are questioning such very weird things happening...

Most of the time, live casinos attract players with tournaments and make the real money on cash games. And in my experience, in cash games, you have unusual amount of bad beats...

And online, how do you explain having amazing great luck everytime I deposit? And very bad luck after?... This lets me naturally be really suspicious...

Where is Lee Jones these days, surely he can sort this mess out

How do you explain not figuring out how to make a fortune with this "amazing great luck" every time you deposit for a week or so.

Who cares if the world is naive and all the sites (live and online) are rigged if the rig would be this easy to exploit for a ton of money. Whine less and max out every credit card/borrow from everyone to do a six figure bank transfer deposit and then go to the nosebleeds and crush for a few days and cash out well before they hit you with the bad luck thing! If you are that worried then just deposit $10,000 or so and play a couple high buy in HU SnGs (odds are you will not have to wait long to get action) and after you win 1 or 2 then cash out (you will clear Stars playthrough requirements quickly this way as well) and rub your titties with all the new money your knowledge of the rig provided you.

Nothing can go wrong as long as your beliefs are valid, and there is certainly no downside to me, so what is stopping you from printing money!

All the best.

FYI:

I moved this thread from NVG to Internet Poker.

A mod of Internet Poker may merge this thread into this forum's "Poker is Rigged" thread as s/he deems appropriate.

Incase anyone missed it 3years ago

=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VYJJ3w0IF8

secret cryptographic methods r creepy

Its well documented you get the 'new depositor boomswitch' right after your first few deposits.

However if you ever dare thinking about cashing out, prepare for the 'doomswitch' son...

The pros have known about this since the dawn of time, the only real skill in poker is cashing out before your depositor boomswitch runs out. Not always easy.

Deposit $5,000 and play a single $5K HU SnG with your deposit. Win it. Cash out around $10K. Easy money(as long as this well documented thing really exists).

All the best.

yeah if you deposit money, you get good cards for 539 hands, then it is back to normal. I probably shouldn't tell people that, but I am 94.5 percent sure this is true. It's happened to me 3 times.

As you probably know, it's 5 standard deviations from the mean, so mathematically this story checks out. I am going to run a few more tests, I will post back again probably on the weekend or monday. I will have graphs and charts for all the noobs, so everyone knows what I am talking about.

One thing has always troubled me, so after you 539 hands, what happens if you deposit money again? Do you get another 539 great hands? Next time I am out of the country I will test this out and put it on youtube. I am talking at a symposium in 3 years, so be patient, we will get to the bottom of this.

“Coincidentally” made me lololol

Why don't u provide some facts. O am sure u got plenty of witty facts u can spit out of your mouth,..... and

I did. I stated clearly that riggies have to date provided zero facts to back any of their varied claims. They are the ones claiming a rig, so they are the ones that need to prove it. That is how the burden of proof works, even though I know you will not understand what that or any of this post means.

All the best.

That's just like disproving the existence of a god. It's the ones who claim there is one, who needs to provide proof.

You have governments straight up lying to society to necessitate sending troops somewhere, banks running financial scams out in the open and yet some people are unable to consider that maybe, just maybe, some poker site is running their operation not entirely fair.

Yeah... and of course it is close to impossible to prove due to the nature of the game, probability and variance.

But there are some clues (I'm talking about PS Spin n Goes):
- PS CEO openly hating on winning players (regulars)
- PS business model has changed from simply running as many games as possible and collecting rake to 'building an ecosystem' in other words making sure that one way or another money flows from winning players to losing players and stays in. In the past they did not care who won the hand, they only cared about the rake, now, if they want to have that ecosystem thing going they have a skin in the game, they have an incentive for a particular player to win or lose the hand. It is a whole new ball game and it is scary.
- introduced Chests system which is complicated and hard to understand even for regular players - why? It is software development 101 that when you roll out a new feature it should be as simple as possible so your users can easily understand it. Nobody can verify that these payouts are as expected.
- they refuse to give any technical details regarding their software certification process or how the software components interact together
- users have no way of knowing if RNG they are running is in fact the same as the one which got certification
- even if RNG is working as expected users have no way of knowing if other components are not buggy or malicious causing the outcome of the game to become skewed
- PS representative here on this forum is not interested in providing any sort of transparency, asks to rely on trust
- there are no reports available showing payouts made by PS in Spins allowing community to verify that real multipliers frequency is in fact the same as advertised
- PS disabled the means of observing spin n go tables therefore making it impossible for community to verify that the games and multipliers are running as expected
- PS is banning players who are sharing databases - what are they afraid of?

and the list goes on...

Amusing that you are upset that they removed the ability to observe all Spins (which people were doing to datamine hands, not to check on multipliers) and also are not happy that they do not allow people to share hand databases. Not quite sure why you think either of these positions is sympathetic, even if it disrupts how you want to play.

The rest of your list is standard vague stuff and speculation in the "what if" category, which is standard riggie paranoia stuff with no supporting documentation, but your real agenda shows in the specific items mentioned above. You can't datamine or share hands within the rules. Aw, too bad. Quit if you do not like the games at this point.

All the best.

Well, I was in fact happy when they removed the option to observe the tables for the reasons you mentioned above, but it was a different time when I did not have any suspicions towards PS since PS itself was running their business a bit differently.

Right now I would rather have people data mine hands then being screwed by PS. It's the lesser of two evils if you will.

Yes, the rest may be "typical vague" stuff, but if you put all the pieces together then the picture is somehow worrying (at least if you are capable of keeping an open mind).

Amusing that you are asking for hard proof while it is logically impossible to provide such because of the reasons I listed above. That's why we only have "vague" stuff.

Similarly you cannot prove that the software is running as expected. There may be a bug somewhere, how do you know there is not?

At the end of the day it shouldn't be that hard for PS to prove that games are running as expected, in fact they should go out of their way to prove it to their customers, but quite the contrary it seems like this is an uncomfortable topic there. I proposed the simplest solution (option to observe tables), but if they have a better way to provide a proof then fine by me.

It is 2017 and blockchain technology will soon remove the for 'trust' in many areas of our lives (gambling included), so I think PS needs to step up their game in regard to transparency, if not they will hopefully be brushed aside.

Bottom line is I am PS customer and they failed to address my doubts. I am in touch with Gambling Commission, hopefully they will be able to mitigate my concerns, but all the things I listed in my previous post, it just does not sound right, it goes against a common sense that somebody is able to run these games apparently without any supervision and the end results of these games are not a public domain knowledge. Maybe they need a closer supervision or maybe we need some changes to gambling laws, I don't know.

By the way, I find your tone condescending and I am also not sure what makes you think you can tell me what to do. Check yourself.

That is your opinion, based on paranoia, but it is not one that is shared by everyone.


The problem with the "keep an open mind" stuff is that it literally has no limits as to the concerns, as they will all be based on the paranoia of the individual. No doubt you believe all of your concerns are very important, but you would also likely think other people's similar concerns are silly.

One has concerns that house bots are everywhere in the nano stake MTTs. One has concerns that the Russian mob is secretly behind everything. One has concerns that it is rigged in seasonal cycles, others in daily cycles, others in two week cycles, some that small stacks win too much, some that big stacks win too much etc. etc. etc.


All of them ask like you do for proof that things are legit, but no matter what one does they will never be satisfied. Case in point...


Ooh a bug somewhere. We better be concerned. What about if Lizard People are running it? Never hurts to be concerned. No end.



How do they prove it to you? How can they prove it at the same time to the guy who thinks big stacks win too much and the guy who thinks small stacks win too much. After all, they know what they see, and any proof Stars gives will cover up the rig they knows exists.



If you genuinely believe blockchain technology will do a single thing about riggie concerns, then you are indeed the naive one. If any become bigger then you will see a ton of riggie threads about them. Here is one about SwC Poker (bitcoin site)

http://www.pokerowned.com/forums/f4/...ged-23060.html


Then stop playing there. That is your choice as a consumer.

They will do nothing to mitigate your concerns.

I do not care what you decide to do. If you continue to post here I hope you bring something original from the riggie side (so far you have yet to do so). Perhaps you are not familiar with how deep and established the riggie culture is, so if it will help I can post a short list for you so that you can better understand the mindset and culture you are a part of. Just ask if you like, totally up to you.

All the best.

lol at the bolded. Can you really not think of a legitimate reason they would ban people for sharing databases?
Seeing people post long lists of grievances then whining that Stars won't assuage those grievances will never get old. There's no evidence they could show you that would satisfy you, because you already distrust them. Riggies get talked down to ITT. Circle of life and all that.

Good to see a couple of guys fighting tooth and nail to save a good name of PS. Holding some Amaya stock maybe?

Otherwise I don't see a reason for winning players completely unrelated to PS organization to hang around in this thread with the rest of delusional idiots - why do you even care?

Winning players are busy printing money and anyway I don't see how any player (winning or not) in the world could be against asking poker room for more transparency or having some sort of supervision. There is nothing to lose here (unless you are a rigged poker room ofc).

It is pretty obvious that you are either on PS payroll one way or another or just sociopath useful idiots who enjoy ganging up on people who are questioning the status quo. Can't blame you boys for that - it is easier to go through life never questioning anything and sticking with the pack.

Also kudos to the guy who is calling some dumb internet forum thread action a "circle of life" - time to get out of your basement bro.

Yeah, they spend a fortune on people to defend the site vs crazy riggie theories in meaningless threads that have zero impact on the industry. Good soul read, one that has never been said by frustrated riggies in the past...

Welcome to the internet where people like to have fun debating at times, and the good thing about this one (from my perspective) is the very soft opposition in the form of riggies. You think this is bad go visit the Trump Presidency thread in the politics forum, or go read a 9/11 thread for some serious crazy.

As much as you want it to be much bigger than it is, all it is is some people having a little fun at the expense of paranoid people like you. That's it. No grand conspiracies, no secret payments, no hidden agendas, and without us people like you would get literally no attention, so as much as you will never admit it - you are happy to see responses, even this one.

Again, the specific things you want transparency on is not what other riggies want. Some are convinced of new player boomswitches. Some are convinced flush draws win (or lose) too much. You think winning players get punished, but here is a riggie that believes Stars was intentionally helping winning players and grinders over casual players.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=71412

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=71416


oh and here is one that believes Stars is fine, but bitcoin sites are rigged (so much for cryptocurrencies solving that...)

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=8087


So you tell me - what form of transparency will make you (Stars hurts winning players/regs), the other riggie (Stars helps winning players/grinders) and the third riggie (Stars is fine, Crypto sites are rigged) all happy?



OK, I am on the payroll. That means I am getting paid to post this, while you are not getting paid to post a reply. Who wins there? If that is the world you want to create in your mind, that's fine, no difference to me, and again if you like simply ask and I will provide you a good list of riggie resources that will open your eyes, and might help you understand why peopel are treating you as if you lack any original thought, because everything you have said has been said in all sorts of variants (many contradicting each other) before you.

Thanks for the chat which paid me $40. You made $0.

All the best.