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Old 09-08-2009, 12:07 PM   #8301
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I did some quick research and came across this page, which says:


When I searched for "obama is" and "9/11 was a", I was not signed in.
Obama is Irish? I KNEW IT!!!! LOL!
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:17 PM   #8302
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Obama is Irish? I KNEW IT!!!! LOL!
I always suspected he was not black.

He reflects too much light.
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:20 PM   #8303
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Look at these Google search suggestions:



Granted, the majority people are stupid (IMO) and this doesn't mean much, but it is what it is.. a bunch of people who question the legitimacy of online poker (and whether it's rigged).

Just my 2 cents (which I couldn't blow on the micro-stakes)


Granted, the majority people are stupid (IMO) and this doesn't mean much, but it is what it is.. a bunch of people who question the legitimacy of midgets.
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:33 PM   #8304
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We need a thread for stupid Google suggestions.
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:15 PM   #8305
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Replace superbots with lizard people in your thought experiment and your post is essentially the exact same thing. Prove otherwise.





It was the lizard people. Prove otherwise.




Since you ignore the many common sense suggestions let's try...

It's not superbots, it's lizard people.

Prove otherwise.






Many say the same thing about lizard people.

At least that is what the lizard people say I have to say.




Then never leave your house ever.

The superbots and lizard people will get you.

All the best.

So you are saying that thinking that some site could run a software (bot) to play poker and benefit from it is similar to think that lizard people (whatever that means) exist?

I dont understand why do you make these ridiculous analogies. Im talking about software, malicious softwares, companies cheating their users.

Every one sees everyday these kind of softwares, virus, trojan horses etc....Im not creating anything new, Im just saying that these things coould be used by the poker companies

When you talk about lizard people you are talking about something that is not proven to exist, its the same as to affirm that superman exists.

Malicious softwares exist, everyoe knows it. Big companies cheat, everyone knows it. Lizard people is a ridiculous way to try to make my arguments osunds like crazy and paranoid things.
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:33 PM   #8306
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Big companies cheat, everyone knows it.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there, and I consider myself pretty liberal.
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:44 PM   #8307
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Big companies cheat, everyone knows it.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there, and I consider myself pretty liberal.
I too disagree. As a general rule big companies don't cheat their customers, or they don't get to be big companies. The few ugly exceptions in recent years are out of thousands of large public companies that act in the best interest of their shareholders and customers and employees. Cheating is almost always counter to those interests. Most people understand this, so no, not "everyone knows it". That's an example of a logical fallacy where you believe that others think like you do.
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Old 09-08-2009, 07:02 PM   #8308
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I dont understand why do you make these ridiculous analogies. Im talking about software, malicious softwares, companies cheating their users.

Every one sees everyday these kind of softwares, virus, trojan horses etc....Im not creating anything new, Im just saying that these things coould be used by the poker companies

Malicious softwares exist, everyoe knows it. Big companies cheat, everyone knows it. Lizard people is a ridiculous way to try to make my arguments osunds like crazy and paranoid things.
Your analogy is the ridiculous one. You're saying that since malware exists, it proves poker sites could cheat. Malware isn't made by the makers of the OS or the software designed to fight it in the first place.

Maybe if Norton or Symantec released a virus only their software could detect, you'd be onto something, but you're basically saying "Bots exist so obviously the sites have them" which is nonsense.
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Old 09-08-2009, 07:29 PM   #8309
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Your analogy is the ridiculous one. You're saying that since malware exists, it proves poker sites could cheat. Malware isn't made by the makers of the OS or the software designed to fight it in the first place.

Maybe if Norton or Symantec released a virus only their software could detect, you'd be onto something, but you're basically saying "Bots exist so obviously the sites have them" which is nonsense.
Im not saying they obviously are using bots, Im saying that they could be using, thats is possible if they wanted. Thats very different from talking about lizard people.
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Old 09-08-2009, 07:48 PM   #8310
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Granted, the majority people are stupid (IMO) and this doesn't mean much, but it is what it is.. a bunch of people who question the legitimacy of midgets.
Do midgets get drunk faster?

This 5'10" 220lb midget does...I also have night vision and make jumbo midget children with my 7 foot tall bride....
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Old 09-08-2009, 07:50 PM   #8311
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Im not saying they obviously are using bots, Im saying that they could be using, thats is possible if they wanted. Thats very different from talking about lizard people.
Why? Lizard people are theoretically possible (consider it a thought experiment)and you have just as much proof that they do not exist that we have that undetectable superbots do not exist.

The thinking behind the theory is the same as well. Imagine something that could be possible which is impossible to disprove then ask people to disprove it. If they do not then that implies it must be true.

Same thinking process at work, though mine is completely flawed on purpose as a means of comparison.

The analogy was to show the flawed thinking process, not imply Lizard men exist. I did not realize I had to explain something so obvious and the lizard men would not let me anyway if I wanted to.
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Old 09-08-2009, 07:54 PM   #8312
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Im not saying they obviously are using bots, Im saying that they could be using, thats is possible if they wanted. Thats very different from talking about lizard people.
The problem is the way that you use the word "possible".

It's "possible" only if you use such a broad definition of the word "possible" that means that it has a one in a 1,000,000,000,000 chance of happening.

That's such a meaningless definition of the word "possible" as it applies here. Given that there's no evidence that "superbots" exist, the way that you're using the word "possible" has no meaning: It's just as "possible" for superbots to exist as it is for there to be aliens controlling all the sites. You can't rule it out, there's no evidence to support the claim, but it's "possible".
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Old 09-08-2009, 08:51 PM   #8313
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The problem is the way that you use the word "possible".

It's "possible" only if you use such a broad definition of the word "possible" that means that it has a one in a 1,000,000,000,000 chance of happening.

That's such a meaningless definition of the word "possible" as it applies here. Given that there's no evidence that "superbots" exist, the way that you're using the word "possible" has no meaning: It's just as "possible" for superbots to exist as it is for there to be aliens controlling all the sites. You can't rule it out, there's no evidence to support the claim, but it's "possible".
It is more possible than lizardmen because you can see bots for sale on the internet, but no one has spotted and photographed a lizardman from the 4th dimension. LOL!

When in the hypothesis phase of these little pointless exercises, some ideas carry more weight than others due to common sense and other clues available to everyone.

On another subject, do you notice that some people look more like Lizards? Some look more like Monkeys and Some look more like Sea Creatures? I would like to start a discussion thread about this because it is possible that we are missing a big part of the evolutionary timeline. LOL!
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Old 09-08-2009, 08:52 PM   #8314
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FYI...Spadeclub does not appear to be Rigged...
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Old 09-08-2009, 08:54 PM   #8315
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LOL that there are still those who think online poker isn't rigged.
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Old 09-08-2009, 08:55 PM   #8316
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It is more possible
Stopped reading there.
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Old 09-08-2009, 09:04 PM   #8317
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It is more possible than lizardmen because you can see bots for sale on the internet, but no one has spotted and photographed a lizardman from the 4th dimension. LOL!
I assume that a part of the "superbot" conspiracy theory is that the superbots are kept secret.

That seems rather integral to the idea to me.
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When in the hypothesis phase of these little pointless exercises, some ideas carry more weight than others due to common sense and other clues available to everyone.
But there are no clues that a superbot exists! That's the whole point of this "possible" discussion!
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Old 09-08-2009, 09:33 PM   #8318
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LOL that there are still those who think online poker isn't rigged.
LOL! Just those who think it is rigged and one site owner with 15 screen names on here....HAHAHA! jk
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Old 09-08-2009, 09:37 PM   #8319
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I assume that a part of the "superbot" conspiracy theory is that the superbots are kept secret.

That seems rather integral to the idea to me.

But there are no clues that a superbot exists! That's the whole point of this "possible" discussion!
We could combine the existence of greed, technology, human nature (we are all more alike than any of us would like to admit) and past events to shape the possibilities. Lizardmen do not factor in very well.

I am not saying that sites are using bots, there is no proof so far.
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Old 09-08-2009, 10:03 PM   #8320
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Now I know the pic is grainy, but...



existence confirmed.

I guess this means super bots also exist. Ooda thunk it!?!
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Old 09-08-2009, 10:46 PM   #8321
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When in the hypothesis phase of these little pointless exercises, some ideas carry more weight than others due to common sense and other clues available to everyone.
Idea 1 - Hundreds/thousands of sites are corrupt enterprises without being caught employing hundreds+ of workers who have all kept the secret. They use entropy effects and secret superbots while they selectively target people who post in this thread for bad beats in $1 tournaments and causes downswings to these players in amounts less than the sites make in 1/100 of a second

Idea 2 - It's lizard men


As common sense goes, it aint that easy to choose a winner.

May as well go for the one which can lead to Sleezak pictures if you ask me.
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Old 09-09-2009, 12:47 AM   #8322
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I always suspected he was not black.

He reflects too much light.
LOL

Obama.. in the conservatory.. with a 9/11 hijacker.. and a superduperbot.. with a [very sharp] lemon peeler.




I knew it!!


Waat?!?



How did she creep in there??
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Old 09-09-2009, 12:02 PM   #8323
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Monsters vs. Monsters on Full Tilt

I've started playing on Full Tilt again recently and have noticed that there are a lot of AA vs. KK, KK vs. JJ, QQ vs. TT, etc. type hands dealt out in the same round.

Anyone else notice this?

Warning: bad beat stories about to follow:

Last night I had my Aces all-in pre-flop cracked by Kings. The winning hand? Four of a kind Kings.

Just a little bit ago, I had my Kings all-in pre-flop cracked by Tens. The winning hand? Four of a kind Tens. Oh, btw, another player in the hand went all in with his Kings as well.

With that second hand, I hadn't played a table since the Aces vs. Kings hand I mentioned right above it. On this same table, within a few hands there was a round of Aces vs. Jacks and another one with Jacks vs. Tens.

I really try not to be a conspiracy theorist, but the chances of this happening so much doesn't feel right to me. And it's happened on other occassions since I've started playing again last week. I only play single tables about two hours at the most each day.


I just want to know if the same thing happens to the rest of you.

After doing a search, I found these links which allude to the same thing (but which may or may not be credible, I admit):

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...umber=11182516

http://rounding.wordpress.com/2008/1...aud-confirmed/


So I really don't feel so crazy to be starting a post about this even if there are so many "poker is rigged" accusations going on here. I mean Full Tilt is one of the sites I thought was trust-worthy and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt if it's warranted. But it just seems too high doesn't it?

If it's just me, let me know. Thanks for reading all.
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Old 09-09-2009, 12:05 PM   #8324
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It's just you.
This is normal.
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Old 09-09-2009, 12:05 PM   #8325
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Its not rigged. And until you can bring at least 1 million hands to us with statistical analysis showing otherwise I'm just gonna lol in your thread.

Telling stories about your AA last night (zomg!) belongs in BBV. Its a cooler. Its variance. It happens.
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