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06-10-2017 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rusrs
Well, if that's the case it would pretty much render this whole thread worthless
This thread is worthless. It is a place for paranoid people to stand on their virtual soap box or for whiners to vent about a couple hands and for people to have fun at their expense. Nothing more.

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but i think he was just referencing the fact that CNN was caught posting fake news.
If you look over the threads that guy started you would quickly see (with your own eyes) that he is not that clever.

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Yeah, heard about the Real Deal Poker. I thought they closed down because the shuffle and deal method was to cumbersome for large scale operation. Had potential though.
They closed down because nobody played there. Riggies tried for a few days (usually by depositing $5 or $10), said it was rigged, and quit as riggies tend to do. Nobody else had any faith in that room to begin.

Riggies need to believe it is rigged, and very, very few true riggies have ever changed their belief structure. That is the riggie way, but it was refreshing to see your perspective of the riggie culture, which, to be honest, is quite naive.

All the best.
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06-10-2017 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Riggies need to believe it is rigged, and very, very few true riggies have ever changed their belief structure. That is the riggie way, but it was refreshing to see your perspective of the riggie culture, which, to be honest, is quite naive.
All the best.
I'm not talking about riggies or riggie culture, those terms would imply that they are religious about their beliefs and can't be convinced otherwise(would be naive to try and convince people like that). I'm talking about people (sane people) who simply ask questions and are not convinced about the way they are answered.

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06-10-2017 , 08:39 AM
Those "sane" people as you describe do not post in this thread, hence your naivety about the riggie culture in general. For what it was worth, you offered a semi-refreshing optimistic outlook on how humans behave or should behave, but riggies have their own protocols in that regard, and nothing (even CNN) will change that. You even got to experience that first hand with a long time riggie you thought was being clever, when in fact he was just being himself. Riggies tend to be straight forward creatures in that regard. Anyway, welcome to the riggie thread.

All the best.
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06-10-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
No one is complaining about the hole card distribution, every make shift site would pass this test i imagine. unfortunately thats all cigital tested for. If one tested all hole cards and board cards, flop, turn and river and how these outcomes relate to the game of poker the results would be laughable .
This is the point. I talked to a guy at cigital and he said the same thing. He also told me that pokerstars can change any card that comes on flop turn or river before it's dealt. I said I am not telling u that they do it , but I am saying it's possinle...were his words.
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06-10-2017 , 01:02 PM
I'm going to apply for a job at Pokerstars. Changing turn and river cards to deliver bad beat after bad beat to poor clueless bastards out there sounds like fun! And you get paid for it, too.

Bad beat department, here I come. I wonder if they divide the department into teams, like: runner runner straight team, set over set squad etc.

FWIW, I know casino dealers that can give you pocket aces every hand.

Last edited by alex20823; 06-10-2017 at 01:10 PM.
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06-10-2017 , 01:10 PM
I would be more evil. First I would give someone AA vs KK so he feels like playing a long session. Then I'd give him QQ vs AK which he would lose but he is still even and it was just a flip so he won't mind as much. Then I let him 3bet some hands with AK only to miss the flop to get him annoyed. Then I let him flop a straight vs top pair that makes runner runner boat to get him really tilted. Then I give him set over set and now he is in the "not quitting until I get my money back" mood and then he is card dead for an eternity. Then I give him KK vs AA with a king on the flop and of course.... A on the river.
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06-10-2017 , 01:12 PM
I would bribe you both and then boast about it on CNN.
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06-10-2017 , 01:14 PM
I would accept the job only if I can target specific players (cough *jungmit* cough)!
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06-10-2017 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
I would accept the job only if I can target specific players (cough *jungmit* cough)!
Of course you can target players. Riggies tell me bad beats only happen to them
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06-10-2017 , 01:38 PM
Well, in order for you to specifically target special players like Jungmit, ( you know, the guys that can "sniff" the setup and fold aces pre flop because they know the Bad Beat Department ( The BBD ) is cooking something for them ) you will need to get promoted to the Escalations team. Those guys have rich imagination. They study the pattern mappers individually and see what they fold and when they fold it and design specific scenarios for them so that they will not fold.

Oh, and I've also heard that they listed the job requirements that you need to have some voodoo background ( I don't know how I'm going to pass the interview now ) which you need to use so that the HH's to portray a random distribution, even though you give quads over quads, straight flush over straight flush, runner runner straights/quads/boats/flush/royal flush every 30 second. My dream has been crushed.

That bribe sounds pretty good right now.
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06-10-2017 , 04:11 PM
for anyone looking for reviews or unbiased opinons on poker sites if you dont already know pokerscout is a refreshing site. Although they recently started to hide reviews that have the R word.
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06-10-2017 , 04:26 PM
There was an even better site for "unbiased" reviews, based on your belief that someone saying it is rigged is the definition of unbiased. I think it was pokerisrigged.com, but what it was was an affiliate that catered to riggies.

It was one of the few business plans geared toward riggies that I actually respected (given that riggies tend to have minimal funds). Basically they set up forums and encouraged people to sign up to rooms through their links and give reviews on them, the more rigged the better - they praised all the hard work people did in talking about their coolers, doomswitches or whatever and suggested they try some different rooms to help spread the word further about how rigged the rooms were at the time.

They were doing pretty well with it before Black Friday, and even tossed some fancy titles to a few of their busier members to encourage others to help show how many rooms were rigged. They made about $25-75 per signup, and it was working, but it failed after Black Friday as most if their riggie reporters were American.

Still, that was one of the few businesses that did ok when catering to riggies. Odds are all their forums are gone by now, so you will not be able to read any of the unbiased posts they had there anymore.

All the best.
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06-10-2017 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
for anyone looking for reviews or unbiased opinons on poker sites if you dont already know pokerscout is a refreshing site. Although they recently started to hide reviews that have the R word.

It's funny how you talk about unbiased when presenting a biased view of why they hide reviews that have the "R word".

From Pokerscout:

"Any review that claims a poker site is rigged will be hidden by default and very few people will see it. If you say that a site does not have a fair deal, has a non-random RNG, is rigged, or anything similar, your review will be tossed into the "rigged" bin. Our visitors will have to opt in to see this type of review. Most of our readers are tired of these claims, which have been made about every poker site that has ever existed, usually without sufficient statistical evidence."
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06-10-2017 , 06:25 PM
LOL. Meanwhile, we don't hide reviews based on rigged claims (although they might get moved too this thread if that's all they're about), but that's the site to go to for unbiased reviews.

Although I have to say that would be an improvement for their site in some ways - tonnes of riggies like to pour their hearts out there. Great site for traffic numbers and finding out which site is on what network, but pretty useless for reviews. In their defense, though, there isn't really any particular site I trust for reviews. When the site creates them, biases based on affiliate relationships often creep in.

At least on 2+2 (and I would expect on similar sites like P5s), in a forum format with open discussion, ridiculous reviews will be called out as such. Of course, I'm biased.
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06-10-2017 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
for anyone looking for reviews or unbiased opinons on poker sites if you dont already know pokerscout is a refreshing site. Although they recently started to hide reviews that have the R word.
Dismiss pokerscout reviews as unbiased completely. It's just a bunch of losing players venting their frustrations at the game. Though some are pretty entertaining to read.
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06-10-2017 , 06:40 PM
They need to watch CNN more often.

All the best.
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06-10-2017 , 06:44 PM
CNN is almost at pokerscout reviews level.
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06-10-2017 , 07:14 PM
you say pokerscout = fake news/digrunteldpeople. Their site is base on internet poker but nobody gives poker sites good reviews.
yes i visited ispokerrigged,
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06-10-2017 , 07:20 PM
ispokerrigged was the study done by a poster here that riggies constantly mis-interpreted, while pokerisrigged was the affiliate site that catered to riggies for profit. If you watched CNN they covered the difference, but perhaps you should visit pokerscout and cherry pick some "unbiased" comments to confirm.

All the best.
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06-10-2017 , 07:33 PM
Oh my mitake i didnt know there are so many rigged pokersites
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06-11-2017 , 09:19 AM
The whole issue is even if a site is rigged what does it matter at this point?? Hmmmm that line sounds familiar.....whst does it matter at this point?!?!? Anyway, it's not going to make a difference. No one is going to prove it's rigged and no one can prove it's not rigged. If in play then u play if u don't then u don't. Rigged is a relative term. Do u tho k not being about to take notes on a player is a form of rigging? Do u think random seating in a sng is a form of rigging? There are many ways something could be rigged. Rigging is just a way to try to change future results
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06-11-2017 , 09:46 AM
No need to be so Emo, Grandpa. Just continue to offer silly prop bets you will never do, and claim you are winning at poker, that nobody believes - and you will be a much happier geezer going forward.

Also, never watch CNN.

All the best.
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06-11-2017 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
The whole issue is even if a site is rigged what does it matter at this point?? Hmmmm that line sounds familiar.....whst does it matter at this point?!?!? Anyway, it's not going to make a difference. No one is going to prove it's rigged and no one can prove it's not rigged. If in play then u play if u don't then u don't. Rigged is a relative term. Do u tho k not being about to take notes on a player is a form of rigging? Do u think random seating in a sng is a form of rigging? There are many ways something could be rigged. Rigging is just a way to try to change future results
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...930_78F0BCE6B3
Ever had any of those? If you did than nobody can blame you for thinking it's rigged.
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06-11-2017 , 11:38 AM
I had that happen to me once. It was in a live game.
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06-11-2017 , 11:46 AM
LOL Rigged confirmed.
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