A Q suited vs 9 2 suited ( same suits ) is about 70 - 30. A Q suited vs 9 2 suited ( different suits ) is about 65 - 35. A Q suited vs 9 2 offsuit is somewhere around 68 - 32.

The percentages against 10 3 are just about the same. Just sayin' that it is mathematically possible. So if you shove pre with A Q against one of these two hands and they happen to call you, don't be surprised to lose some. It's not that big of a loss to be honest. Sure, in the long run you will win more than you will lose so it's a profitable shove against these two hands, provided that your opponents are dumb enough to call you. But this wasn't the topic, of course.

"For pker players will beat the any 2 card callers in the long run"

I'm not sure what you mean exactly with this statement.

I see a lot of adversarial and paradoxal thinking on „both sides“. If the deal is rigged, it could be done in very subtle and undetectable way and might still give huge benefit to poker site. First I would like to be clear that I am not claiming anything, just pointing out maybe one different way of possible rig and in fact I hope I will be debunked by reasonable explanations and facts.
Everyone is just and only looking into the "hand stats" which will allways look (and be) correct after analyzing hand histories beacuse they (Online poker rooms) dont mess with that. The key of possible rig is in controling of amount of money won/lost by picking a right time to "temporary influence those hand stats" which on its own (and long term especially) will stay mathematically correct. It is about of a "fine timing" (when and how much one is winning/loosing). Among other benefits they get from it is that no one is even looking at it, and it gets even better for them because even if one would choose to look in to it nothing could be seen. It is undetectable because "this parameter" can not be really tracked, precisely predicted and analyzed. Therefore if they tweak RNG, this would be the best way for them to do it, so by controling of ammount of money won or lost winning players are winning less money than they "should" and loosing players are loosing less than they "should". Poker room keeps all data for each and every poker player so they can, among all other things, see how much money players are making (or loosing) at any given point. Therefore possibly tweaked RNG is just picking up spots (regarding of the ammount of money in the pot, or how much one did win/lost this session, or previous days, etc.) at which one player may than sometime get bad beats (or suckouts, depending on point of the view) to "balance" fluctuation of money between players. And they do not do that all the time and far from every hand. In fact this spots probably occure quite rare but have significant impact on final results . So all stats on the end look exactly they should. Aces will be "green", profitable hand, flushes, straights, etc., everything looks fine just amount of money won (or lost) may be different from what would otherwise be. And again, that is probably the "only" thing in poker no one can predict or analyze so it is almost completly or completly undetectable.

So if I filter for pot size I won't see a difference in small pots vs big pots?

Riggies tend to confuse "nobody is looking for it" with "I have no idea how to look for it."

Probably no, because it is not so black and white, not nearly obvious, you will not lost all big pots and win all small ones and there are all kind of pots in between plus it is not done every hand, it could be only one hand in 100 or 1000, or 3 in 27 with smaller pots, endless possibilities which on the end with adding up would make a significant impact.
Btw did you filter it by pot size?

Man, the amount of technology that poker sites have is unbelievable. I mean storing and updating data of millions of players worldwide and "balancing" their winnings/losses by giving them coolers or losing hands without being detected by any statistical analysis is shocking.

I bet that a site like Pokerstars will be the first do discover aliens.

You could have saved yourself a lot of typing by just saying they rig it using magic.

You won't beat them if you don't know how to play on a no-foldem table. If you have 3 opponents at the table who all play any two cards, your range has to be extremely tight to have an advantage at that table. If you go all in every hand against 3 ATC players, and you play JJ+ only, you will just about break even.

Obviously I meant go all in when you have JJ+, and fold otherwise.

MiXeR

agreed!

1000 is many 1 is not many.

Well, he told you what's what, Monteroy.

alex20823 you have been in this crappy thread long enough.

Here is some great stuff to read on this forum. Have fun.

Will take a look through some of them. Lately, I just logged on to watch the twitch streamers. Also, can I ask why did the OP make this table ?

Browsed through some of the topics. The degen stories really caught my eye.

Man, some of those stories are really depressing. When I first started reading them, they were funny but as I continued with them, they turned sad. I knew that some people have really big gambling addictions but to get to the point that you no longer get out of bed to piss and just piss yourself is really depressing to say at least. If those stories are true, I feel for them, even though most likely it is their own fault they got to that point.

The table tilting monkey that said he destroyed mice, keyboards, monitors ( he said that he bought only cheap ones because he knew that eventually he will crush them ) was really amusing. The part when he said he had to patch up like 15 holes in his walls killed me.

The Gator and the tuff fish stuff is really funny to.

It was a thread, with a draft for the best 2+2 threads.

ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE WHO FIGHTING IF ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED OR NOT WHY GOOD PLAYERS WIN CONSTANTLY YEAR AFTER YEAR AND BAD PLAYERS LOOSE..?? YOU GUYS SAY ITS RIGGED FOR THE GOOD PLAYERS??? STARS CONTACT THEM AND SAY HEY WE ARE GOIN TO RIG YOUR ACCOUNT SO U WIN HELLA MONEY?!?!? PLZ ******S..................

Will read them. Just finished The Lostostrich mistakes. Man, what a life story. I mean, assuming that it is all true. Hope he got or that he gets back with his wife.

Nice post! Can you post it again in English?

I'm going to try to translate. I think he is saying that because good players win year after year and bad players lose year after year is an indication that the theory that online poker is rigged against good players is rubbish.

Hope this helps.

Seems you quoted him before the post got deleted. Don't know what the actual sentences mean but I think he was trying to make clear he has mental issues.

Last year I won @ 6bb over 700k hands this year I win 1bb over 300k hands play same style same stakes same site. If u use pokerdope simulator its less then 1% that its bad run. I used to laugh over those who say its rigged but this run is getting to me already.

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Two consecutive hands at 88 rigged shate:

ATs : JT3 T Q
Lost to both JJ and QQ

AQ (prolly playing a bit tilted) : JT2 5 K
Beat JTs

At least two different rigged theories proved here.

Your account hacked Mike ?

I mean, all that, in two hands?! Consecutive hands? What more statistics do you need?