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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

07-13-2016 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
That is a cost of doing business for anyone in a country with a relatively uncommon currency. You can use e-wallets in main currencies to move money on and off (between sites, for deposit bonuses etc) without paying the exchange, but until there is a room that is in nzd, which is unlikely to ever happen, you will have to pay some exchange costs at some point, though people like you tend to not plan that too well, so it is understandable why you quit.
After 9 more cashouts like that, he should have a tidy little profit!
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07-13-2016 , 06:23 AM
I overlooked his numerical typo as he is likely still steaming over that 2 cent cost he had to pay. Perhaps he slowly learned why new players in a Zoom game are in the big blind on their first hand for the most part. Then again, maybe he will follow it up by saying watching Zoom shows all the hands are action hands...
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07-13-2016 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
After 9 more cashouts like that, he should have a tidy little profit!
Still more than what profit you make. Sorry I forgot you don't play online poker.
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07-13-2016 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Two of those show that the rng was probably not rigged. No need for superusers that can see peoples cards if you can just rig the deal.
I think the thread says IS POKER RIGGED . lol
Hope you don't work for a poker site. SACKED
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07-13-2016 , 11:18 AM
Your post makes no sense, but ok.
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07-13-2016 , 11:24 AM
Farewell . Loved chatting .
My views once more before I leave .
Seating is not RANDOM if it is predetermined.
Free is not FREE if you are charged.
Poker has been 100% proven RIGGED
Ultimately Absolutely Locked on Full Tilt
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07-13-2016 , 01:02 PM
rig
/riɡ/
verb
past tense: rigged; past participle: rigged
manage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.
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07-13-2016 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DustinOGCharger
Still more than what profit you make. Sorry I forgot you don't play online poker.
Oh, ouch...a reply that has nothing to do with my post so you could get in that sick burn. Well played!
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07-14-2016 , 08:31 PM
You will not have a rational conversation here. This is a thread for riggies to scream at clouds and shills to make fun of riggies.

You claim to have some proof, but so you know - many riggies claim to have proof. Unfortunately to date none have actually provided verifiable proof. Still, if you have done some proper statistical analysis on your data and can verify that you are being personally targeted for a rig, then provide your full statistical analyses in the following forum

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25/probability/

and ask for feedback on your research. Note, while this suggestion is a valid one, nobody will expect you to post your data there, nor will anyone expect you to have properly interpreted data as well, because that is the pattern to those before you making similar claims.

Still, good luck if you actually do post your data there, otherwise do what you likely will do and hang out here for a while and provide some unverifiable anecdotal evidence why you are personally the victim of a rig since Amaya took over. Perhaps you farted a lot at their annual meeting and its payback time - anything is possible.

All the best.
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07-14-2016 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Chirenz
... before writing my rant about pokerstars card shuffle ...

... is this a place where one can get a rational discussion started on the RNG of pokerstars?
It might be. Why don't you try it?
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07-14-2016 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
rig
/riɡ/
verb
past tense: rigged; past participle: rigged
manage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.
Using this definition, I would have to agree online poker is rigged. Ultimate Bet committed fraud to benefit Russ Hamilton and others. Full Tilt committed fraud to benefit Ferguson and Lederer. Lock Poker committed fraud to benefit that ugly chick.
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07-14-2016 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Chirenz
I've been in contact with pokerstars support for quite a while now...
This is a bit off topic, but many people here constantly bash various poker sites support for taking too long to reply back to them. I believe without ever thinking of what must be a non stop relentless bombardment of ridiculous emails and players they have to answer and address. The longer Ive been a member of this forum, the more understanding I have if its taking a little while to get a reply from a site. That is of course on the rare instances I ever had to contact them in the first place over the years Ive been playing.
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07-14-2016 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Chirenz
...pokerstars card shuffle [...] RNG of pokerstars [...] long term winner, playing a zero sum format (minus the rake ofc) so I can notice deviation in card shuffle/expected win rates over big samples pretty clearly [...] data sent to me by pokerstars on win rates of different ranges that apparently don't come close to expectation for huge amounts of hands...
I find your language difficult to decipher

What is a "zero sum format" & how do you set out to play a "zero sum format"?

Win rates of different ranges of what? Do you mean the profitability [or otherwise] of various hole cards from various seats?

Also PokerStars doesn't directly publish such data as far as I know. So did PokerStars supply that data to you directly or did they point you to the 3rd party who test PokerStars for fairness in the game mechanics?
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07-15-2016 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by _Loki_
So did PokerStars supply that data to you directly or did they point you to the 3rd party who test PokerStars for fairness in the game mechanics?
Probably to https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...g/a0yfh6QQcBcJ
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07-15-2016 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You claim to have some proof, but so you know - many riggies claim to have proof. Unfortunately to date none have actually provided verifiable proof. Still, if you have done some proper statistical analysis on your data and can verify that you are being personally targeted for a rig, then provide your full statistical analyses in the following forum
Thanks for this, didn't know about that subforum. Will do some research there then. Also I'm not saying that I'm dealing with card distribution manipulations(except for the amaya bit hehe). What I'm trying to say is that variance can be so absurd that we as humans haven't evolved to understand it completely, even with "proof" of real winrates not being close to expectations over almost 5 years worth of samples. So was merely trying to get something started that'd calm down the "riggies" to help better understand the real variance, which in return would help me as a fulltime grinder aswel.


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Originally Posted by _Loki_
Also PokerStars doesn't directly publish such data as far as I know. So did PokerStars supply that data to you directly or did they point you to the 3rd party who test PokerStars for fairness in the game mechanics?
Not to sound hostile but do you even play poker? Yes, pokerstars make range vs range win rate reports and send them over in an excel sheet. However they can't do it for big samples, they can only filter last 500 hands with the asked report for range vs range winrates, so the part I said "i've been in contact with them for a while" means I've been asking for these reports after each milestone, if that makes sense.
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07-15-2016 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Chirenz
Thanks for this, didn't know about that subforum. Will do some research there then. Also I'm not saying that I'm dealing with card distribution manipulations(except for the amaya bit hehe). What I'm trying to say is that variance can be so absurd that we as humans haven't evolved to understand it completely, even with "proof" of real winrates not being close to expectations over almost 5 years worth of samples. So was merely trying to get something started that'd calm down the "riggies" to help better understand the real variance, which in return would help me as a fulltime grinder aswel.

Well, it sounds like you are on the verge of changing the world, while at the same time not realizing how to take a few seconds needed to see the different forums here as you lurk. Unusual start (even for this thread), but no doubt your future posts will provide just as much specific data as this last one!

All the best.
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07-15-2016 , 09:26 AM
I lost a $3,50 HU once when I was a 67,432% favorite. I mailed to PS to get my money back but they still haven't replied.
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07-15-2016 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Chirenz
...Not to sound hostile but do you even play poker? Yes, pokerstars make range vs range win rate reports and send them over in an excel sheet. However they can't do it for big samples, they can only filter last 500 hands with the asked report for range vs range winrates, so the part I said "i've been in contact with them for a while" means I've been asking for these reports after each milestone, if that makes sense.
It wasn't clear from what you wrote that you were referring to just your own hands. So what is "zero sum format"?
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07-15-2016 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Chirenz
Not to sound hostile but do you even play poker? Yes, pokerstars make range vs range win rate reports and send them over in an excel sheet.
Yeah Loki, anyone that has ever played online poker would be aware of this. Do you think this is something only an irrational player that constantly harasses PS support when he loses would know? You are clearly a noob. Go away loser.
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07-16-2016 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Yeah Loki, anyone that has ever played online poker would be aware of this. Do you think this is something only an irrational player that constantly harasses PS support when he loses would know? You are clearly a noob. Go away loser.
Thank you - you made me laugh! I was really surprised by his reply - I use a poker tracker with loads of whiz bang analysis tools so I've no need of making requests to PokerStars every 500 hands - that would be up to six requests per day for me on one of my playing days. The tracker is a lot less work...
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07-16-2016 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chirenz
Thanks for this, didn't know about that subforum. Will do some research there then. Also I'm not saying that I'm dealing with card distribution manipulations(except for the amaya bit hehe). What I'm trying to say is that variance can be so absurd that we as humans haven't evolved to understand it completely, even with "proof" of real winrates not being close to expectations over almost 5 years worth of samples. So was merely trying to get something started that'd calm down the "riggies" to help better understand the real variance, which in return would help me as a fulltime grinder aswel.
Just in case no one noticed it ... this paragraph is complete nonsense. The exact thing that most gave it away was "5 years worth of samples" What the **** does that mean? What if I play 11 hands in 5 years? What if I play 8,909,837 hands in 5 years. Same? 5 years' worth?
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07-16-2016 , 10:20 PM
Bovada is rigged. Ever think that a "player" assigned a # could be the site's "player". I was chip leader with 6 times the chips of the next highest and voila, a player with chips equal to mine is switched to my table. I have Q 10 and the flop is Q 10 X, Turn is a 10, four to a flush, the ONE OUTER 9 of clubs rivers, giving the "player" a straight flush. I would have won the tournament instead of busting out. Also, the tournament was a low buy in, moderate field that didn't approach the guarantee. Same deal in another tournament, I had Q 3, flopped Q 3 7, all in as chip leader by a wide margin, except for the new "player" switched to my table. He had KK, 7 on the river to give him a higher two pair, completely RIGGED. I'm done playing, can't afford to waste money.
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07-16-2016 , 10:22 PM
Bovada is rigged. Ever think that a "player" assigned a # could be the site's "player". I was chip leader with 6 times the chips of the next highest and voila, a player with chips equal to mine is switched to my table. I have Q 10 and the flop is Q 10 X, Turn is a 10, four to a flush, the ONE OUTER 9 of clubs rivers, giving the "player" a straight flush. I would have won the tournament instead of busting out. Also, the tournament was a low buy in, moderate field that didn't approach the guarantee. Same deal in another tournament, I had Q 3, flopped Q 3 7, all in as chip leader by a wide margin, except for the new "player" switched to my table. He had KK, 7 on the river to give him a higher two pair, completely RIGGED. I'm done playing, can't afford to waste money.
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07-16-2016 , 10:39 PM
Riggie venting ��
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07-16-2016 , 10:46 PM
Really? You hijack someone elses thread then feel the need to start another thread and copy and paste your previous post? There is a thread for this, Id link it but your gonna be there soon as a mod reads this anyways.

Oh yeah, no one cares, you busted in a tournament, big deal, quit being a little girl.
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