You should always leave yourself room to fold on the river when you are beat.

Are you trolling or don't you read the posts to which you are responding.

This is the second time you've advised folding on the river when the guys were AIPF.

He's trolling, which made sense the first time given who he was responding to, but doesn't seem like a good response to a brand new poster who actually seems genuine in his questions about mindset.

beachrog, you might want to have a look at this forum:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...ers-questions/

Probably a better place for your questions, as long as you keep them framed in terms of how you handle the outcomes, rather than on the outcomes themselves (IE "Is this site rigged?" questions, which belong here).

thanks Bobo Fett, you are correct, I'll try asking there.

I usually dealt with by being happy i found a loose site...

Surely this has been mentioned within the 3250 pages of posts, but am I alone in the opinion that the only site I truly trust is PokerStars? I'm in Texas, so my options are limited, but all of the regulations PS puts itself through as well as being regulated by outside sources as well makes it the most legitimate site on the net, and frankly, the only one worth fully trusting imo. Surely, I can't be alone on that.

Another simple point that I'm sure has already been made: seeing more hands online = seeing more bad beats. This could lead a person who plays online to believe that because they are seeing more suckouts, that online poker may be rigged.

Since this is the "Poker is rigged" thread I assume your trust of PokerStars refers only to the fairness of their shuffle & the fairness of the deal on all streets. A small subset of players are obsessed by the RNG & by potential manipulation of the shuffle/deal to create 'action hands' that can in certain direct & roundabout ways benefit the site.

But such manipulations are not the best way for sites to maximise their revenue. It's far easier to increase revenue & reduce total player withdrawals by a whole host of legal means & all poker sites are getting better at doing this including PokerStars. There are sites that have closed the accounts of consistent winners or throttled the ability of such winning players to play/bet at high levels where their maximum potential return is found - these practises are completely legal it seems. In that respect one shouldn't trust any site & certainly only a fool would plan their future poker pro earnings on the erroneous assumption that the goose is always going to lay golden eggs.

i once had a goose who insisted on making a fool out of me by always laying pyrite eggs.

Surely you're not going to say that you don't read the threads in BBV ? :O

he DOES read em', and don't call him shirley. ...alright, that ain't even a LITTLE funny in writing. see live, it's pretty good because i can use that dry leslie nielsen delivery...

You did ok in writing. But maybe that was only because I was picturing it.

I honestly thought Lock poker was really shady when it comes to this. I played poker for 10 years before playing on there, and it was often that I played - I NEVER had a royal flush, and all of a sudden on Lock I lost count of how many I made (somewhere around 3-4 in the first 6 months I played there; I wasn't really counting in the first place) and witnessed more from other people.

Additionally, there was a time I had KK and got my 4 bet called. He spikes a Q on the flop with QQ, unknowing to me when I get it in there - then the same exact player, when I have KK, has the same exact hand and same exact flop not even 5 minutes later - 4 bet, then get it in on the flop when he spikes a Q vs my KK AGAIN? And there was one particular player who seemed to have a way of getting AA vs my KK when we had big stacks, and he'd stack me - then another time it was in reverse against the same player. I got a big stack against him with AA, he had KK, and he was actually smart enough to just call to the flop (222 flop I remember) then the turn which looked really blank, I think 3 or 4, and he couldn't quite get away. Another guy folded his KK after calling my 3 bet and missed the flop, and he showed it to me. And yep I had AA. He said right after "I've seen this rigged site give us all KK vs AA enough" Other times I'd have AA vs AA against another big stack.

I'm not sure this is rigged, but it honestly does seem almost genius to rig the software and allow variance to account for it in the chaos. I would honestly not put it past some sites to do this. Because I can't prove it in spite of what appears to be evidence, and the same goes for everyone.

Your biggest concern about the shadiness of Lock Poker were the number of Royal Flushes and memories of pair vs pair hands? Impressive...

You should post those concerns in the Lock Poker thread to help sooth the feelings of those who lost all their money there, not due to rigging, but due to the company simply stealing it.

You can at least take solace in believing that Lock Poker paid a programmer (who has kept the secret even after the company shut down) real money to screw specifically you out of Lock Poker money via a rig, even though Lock Poker money last had even a fraction of value when Obama was in his first term of office.

All the best.

Lol, lot of assuming there, most likely trolling. But I'll feed you. I thought it was a given that Lock was shady to begin with given their payment history or lack thereof, and that was kind of part of the whole point - hands I personally witnessed were beyond normal variance I witnessed somewhere else in addition to that. Which is why I wouldn't put it past some sites to have either a "rigged" algorithm or one that's carelessly flawed to generate action. Especially given their clear desperation to keep up traffic and pay people. But aside from that I did win on Lock generally speaking, even though it wasn't a lot given how much time I spent playing there but I actually think it's very possible I was the last person they paid out or very nearly the last one.

Dude, they were not paying a single person for years. There is no debate whether they were just incompetent or not. They were flat out criminals, and your concern is whether they spent money creating action hands or not, even though they were literally not paying anyone out for a long time.

I troll a lot in this thread, but I am not trolling you. I legitimately have said that one of the biggest issues with riggies is that their paranoia gets them concerned about silly stuff, and causes them to ignore genuine issues. Riggies worry about action hands or flush draws from their dusty memory, but gloss over outright fraud, other than to acknowledge it as a means for a company to potentially waste money on programmers to do action hands, despite stealing every cent being deposited. Whatever.

Even the thread you started about Lock years ago was generally complementary to Shane, who boldface lied to people for years here, and no doubt he was happy to see people like you distracted by relative nonsense. Best part for them is that you cost nothing to them, as you were paid by your own paranoia.

Years after they finally shut down and stole millions you continue to drone on about KK/QQ hands there... Well done.

All the best.

Alright, that's a good point. A little strange that you know about what I've done here years ago as even I wasn't sure if it was here or somewhere else, but a legit post nonetheless.

Quick tip for most message forums. You can actually do simple searches, so what you consider strange (implying I spent a lot of time researching your posting history) was actually done within 10 seconds of clicking your user name, then clicking find threads started by xxx, and then simply picking one of the Lock Poker threads that matched the general tone of your posts.

Thus, even though you posted your last Lock crazy years ago, it is still there to find with a simple search! Hope that helps, and welcome to the internet.

All the best.

I'm just glad you like my work enough to go through that much trouble. Didn't know you were a fan.

Also Monteroy is paid by poker sites to keep people from learning the truth about rigs. I believe the number was $5 per post so if you look at it that way he earned $15 by just clicking through a few topics. Not strange at all.

I have no idea who you are, nor do you as a person actually matter. While I never deposited a cent to Lock Poker, I did spend a lot of time trying to talk sense into people who were stuck on that cesspool of a room. Some listened (and thanked me later). Others did not, and perhaps they played 100 and 200NL until the bitter end with valueless Lock Poker money. I got into quite a few heated exchanges with your little hero Shane as well at the time, so I suppose to an extent your deeply naive and clueless ramblings about the site brought back some memories that I had trying to get people at the time to deal with actual real issues.

You, by default, got some attention essentially as a byproduct of your topic, but you as a human do not matter other than you certainly represent the damage riggies can do when talking about serious topics as they obsess over their personal paranoid delusions. In this thread that is harmless fun, because nothing of value is every said here. However, Lock Poker was a real problem for a long time, one that cost people millions of dollars through theft, and while many of them should have known better, your ramblings years later about KK/QQ hands for valueless Lock money at the time is quite disrespectful to the thousands of people who lost millions of real dollars to that criminal company. No "All the best" for you.

I really think you sound confused. I'm not aware that I received much attention beyond what is generally normal here and tbh it's hard to know what thread you're even talking about given the responses everyone gives here are almost entirely trolling. You obviously have some bitter feelings about lock that you supposedly never even participated on. While I regret supporting them in the way that I did given their shady business and the fact I had to wait so long for measly payouts in the hundreds and gotten idiotic responses from their shoddy customer service.

And where Shane was ever my buddy is beyond me. I only support ethical businesses and avoid those that aren't. But I regrettably learned the hard way that online poker doesn't fit the ethical bill if it's not named Pokerstars. And there's where I stand from now on - Pokerstars or I don't play.

I think somehow you're pointing the finger at me when if I'm understanding you, you actually would agree with me though maybe not with how I expressed lock appearing to have a screwed up RNG and suspicious players. But even then, this is not exactly an endorsement and illustrates the cesspool you express discontent with. Because really, the KK/QQ post has nothing to do with what others lost through lock just because it's happened on the same site. You're drawing conclusions about something you've never even taken part of and seemingly taking offense over it. I mean even trolls are smart enough to realize that if you know Lock is a thievery scam, then my op-ed about the RNG being effed up would obviously support that conclusion? Or on the flip side; if you think I support Lock by conflating my post with a diversion away from the real issue by saying they're rigged then you've got some serious issues, troll or no troll.

If this didn't clear that up for you maybe you should find a more healthy hobby or something but beyond that I can't help you.

I realize you do not get it. You have a simple outlook on life, and you generally mean no harm, but people like you do get in the way on real issues with your distractions.

Lock Poker was methodically stealing from people for years. Your posts about them included:



where after you posted a list of people you imagined to be bots, and Shane thanked you for your efforts (before one of the players posted in the thread not being a bot and others posted how they talked at the tables often with those players). Fortunately , you saw the errors of your ways and offered some solid advice...


Also:



Anyway, as I said - I invested a lot of time trying to get people away from that room, and people like you (at the time) constantly got in the way. I understood the Lock Pros and shills (actual ones, not riggie thread label ones) doing that, but it was people like you that were the most frustrating to handle back then, because you happily walked into and endorsed that cesspool with your support (without getting paid to do that).

In one of your other threads I see some other posters told you to go to Intertops instead of Lock until they get their **** together (which obviously never happened), but I assume the shiny promotions Lock had swayed you. Intertops (where I have had an account since 2004) is still around, without payout issues. Guess we each made our choice...

Anyway, Lock is dead so my last advice to you is get over the KK/QQ beats you experienced there, and find some other rig or fake bots to worry about on whatever active online room you play on. Post those concerns in this thread.

One of us isn't getting it bro, but I have already conceded that at one point it did used to be me. Perhaps you don't realize that when I played on Lock, it was the only option where I resided at the time. Or maybe the part you didn't notice when I was dealing with Shane was that I only used him as the only way to get through to them because nobody else besides him even seemed capable of understanding my discourse (their customer service would seriously state that they were about to do the exact opposite of what I told them to do before I corrected them). But I'm gonna level with you a bit dude, it's pretty strange that you know things about me that I've forgotten about years ago and I have a pretty good memory. Some of the things you're mentioning *I* can't even find even with some effort.

Perhaps the biggest issue was that I fell off the wagon with the poker and gambling due to either hating my job or hating unemployment during my darkest days. My judgment was clouded and what you're quoting was from me hitting rock bottom. I wrongfully felt that I needed to take matters into my own hands with the only potential source of income I was finding at the time. Or as a way to attempt quitting some seriously awful jobs I was doing that were somehow worse than being unemployed.

Sure there are no excuses nor am I trying to make them. Odds are if you're here you can relate to it a bit but I don't like to assume. The fact is, I still did those things to myself and had more control than I realized. Sure life threw some pretty lame challenges at me at the time that were difficult to overcome but as I said before, my judgment became clouded due to a multitude of factors. Anyways, nowadays, I'm happy to say that my addiction has simply become exercise at this point and I've also since found the job I was looking for the whole time in addition to my true love. I support exercise, healthy eating (no refined sugar, no additives no preservatives to the best of my ability) and healthy living and if there's any advice I can give to you or anyone reading this, it's to do the same - the increase in motivation, productivity, well being etc. is undeniable. Just try it, if you have not already.

One last reply, though I can see that you are not really strong at absorbing information. I am not trolling you. I am trying to help you, though I realize there is a significant chance you will not understand what I say.

This is only true if you lived in Kentucky (the one state that Intertops did not allow at the time). Other sites accepted people from pretty much every site. A simple post asking what sites are available to you in wherever you live would have solved that.

Shane was, and likely still is, a pathological liar. Many were saying that over and over, and the biggest problem we had were people like you whenever you supported him, because it was obvious you were clueless and were not doing it with a hidden agenda (like the Lock Pros).

I already explained to you how to do a simple internet forum search in an earlier post. I cannot reach through your monitor to show you how to follow the simple click your user name, then click threads started by type instructions.

My last reply to you was 20ish minutes after your post, and honestly (partially because I type fast) - it took me about 3 minutes to write, including finding and quoting the passages I included.

This is how the internet works, particularly when there are very simple tools that can be used to search for data, so the next time you are shocked with how strange it is that someone else can find data so quickly - perhaps consider that it is you that is lacking that basic ability.



Remember when I said one of the frustrating parts of riggies is that they are so consumed by their own agendas that they muddy actual issues. Well, you probably do not remember, nor will be able to find it...

Anyway, the point is that your soul wrenching tales of woe are completely non-sequitur to the issue, and actually all it did was unintentionally highlight the point I was making before. Congratulations on not eating refined sugar. Thanks for sharing that vital bit of data. Now consider leaving half decade old Lock Poker bad beat whining out of your posting diet as well, given how much money was lost there due to outright theft.

All the best.

Bro whatever you're smoking...it's not good enough. Seriously man, you're stalker status. Get help.