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Originally Posted by Josem
Bettting against me, or are you just trying to steal my action?
I don't know what assumption you were referring to in my post.
Is there a major site which uses some sort of software RNG?
I don't think PokerStars does turn a blind eye to people who believe the shuffle is not fair. Try emailing them with your concerns and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Obviously there is software that is needed to convert the stream of binary numbers into a deck of cards.
However, the source of the RNG is two separate things: the Intel thermal thingy, and user input. Either one of them would be sufficient for true randomness: but the combination of the two gives additional confidence.
I think I'm contributing to an informed and objective discussion. I care deeply about the integrity of online poker, and am participating to the best of my ability. I'm certainly not the smartest guy in this discussion, and I'm certainly not the best educated on statistics and variance, but I do think I make a valuable contribution here.
Ok. We'll disregard the rest, their only "constructive" opinions are the usual droll "no proof" crap.
I've been doing a lot of reading this afternoon and played a tourney. The focus was on the ability to control the outcome and still pass RNG audits (RNG audits don't audit the software that process the output of the RNG), Action Flops, positions and odds.
Some very interesting reading here. I read the Cigital report on Pokerstars. I played a tourney.
A couple of very interesting things stood out. First, Cigital didn't audit the play money tables, and it's reasonably sound and repeatedly proven that the action on play money tables vs. real money is two distinctly different things. I think it's safe to disgard the Cigital report for the purposes of play money discussion as I don't play real money.
The Action Flop Theory especially interests me. It seems to adhere to my gut instincts, which of course piques my interest even more. I watched it in action today.
EDITED: For the first table, I played tight, watched the wankers bust themselves out. No need for action flops here. The double or nothing prawns take care of that. Second table. A few loose hands, mix it up a bit, double the blinds and follow up bets, all in bids to scare off the fishermen with decent holes, etc. Tighten up to the final table.
I'm chip leader by far. 18,000. Nearest stack, 8,000. I'm playing a great game, making the right calls, playing the positions. Truthfully, I'm surprising myself. Before I know it it's the final table. I knock out the sixth place stack (who happened to be in second place until final table), shifting to an aggressive tack. Up to over 20k. Sweet.
Next hand. I have AJs. I bet the biggest of the three short stacks, late position. The next big calls. The three short stacks fold. J/4/3 rainbow on the table. I flop top pair. I'm in first position. I go all in, dragging the big into an all or nothing showdown. He calls. A/5s. Crap. I know what's going to happen next. 2 on the turn. Some ridiculous river. I believe it was an 8. Of course Pokerstars doesn't record histories in play money tourneys.
Burn. Oh well. Next hand.
I still have 5k left. K/Js. All in. Either double up or bust. The big, that already checked, calls. pair of nines. Definitely a stronger position than I am pre-flop. Busted. Sure enough, no K, no J, no flush. I'm out in fifth place.
Now bear in mind that the guy was shortstacked most of the tourney.
The Action Flop Theory states that pros lose more often than they should to keep the newbs in the game. It supports the theory in my OP, that most seemingly disregarded out of hand, that the action is geared to get them to the money. Coupled with a site's ability to manipulate the draw and still pass the RNG audit... I truly believe there's validity to the concerns.
It's not a big deal, it's play chips, but still worth a good discussion if we can scare off the wankers that go "You suck" and that's the extent of their contribution.
If I played for the money, maybe I might be choked. This is just for fun, but once my curiosity is piqued, it's going to take more than some wingnuts in a forum going "you have no proof" or "you're an idiot" or actually making a feeble attempt at sounding witty to scare me off.
What are your thoughts?
Last edited by skepticalatbest; 08-23-2009 at 02:41 PM.