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12-03-2015 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
My point is its am that much better live? Or do I have the misfortune ........Wait for it I am laughing my azz off right ......of playing against people onljne who are just so much better then the live players I play with? $10-20 sngs and the players are so much better. Or dose the 11.6 % guy just play awful onljne ?
No, the point you were originally making was that if someone had a 11.6% ROI and had a 500 game breakeven stretch, the game must be rigged. He showed you the math, which you agreed was correct, so I guess now you've moved on to a completely different topic. Since you've conceded the point, I'll leave you to your silly arguments about how awesome your home game is and that since you can't beat online by the same amount, it must be rigged.
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12-03-2015 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Come play for a while. See how u make out. We could always use another regular
Do unicorns and the monster of Loch Ness also exist in the fairytale world of yours? And how come it always has to be rigged when you have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about?
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12-03-2015 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 39suited
And how come it always has to be rigged when you have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about?
FYP.

The remainder is redundant.
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12-03-2015 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
FYP.

The remainder is redundant.
True, because they both exist in real life.
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12-03-2015 , 07:44 AM
PATTERNISED NUMBER GENERATOR FACTAROONI
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12-03-2015 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
If you and your friends cant tell online poker in general has harder, tighter, tougher, games then live. You and they should not play online.
But it's not just the entire player population, somehow their fun little SNG is different when they play it on Stars for play money. Different people win it online than live (i.e. not jungmit), so online is clearly rigged against live home poker greats like him.

Never mind the fact that no one keeps track of every individual hand during the live SNG or the fact that losing hands probably get shoved into the muck so no one can see that Bobby or whoever called 3 streets with a gutshot and whiffed.

All we know for sure is the rig exists even at play money, and has something to do with how often sets run into top pair (or something), and turns and rivers can be guessed with incredible precision after a flop is seen, but only on certain flops, and never when other people are around.
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12-03-2015 , 11:14 AM
Oh yeah, but the rig doesn't exist in his specific weekly online home game where he is a huge winner. Too bad it doesn't pay off money wise.

Maybe it is only rigged when jungmit doesn't win? That would be a shocking revelation to say the least.
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12-03-2015 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 39suited
Oh yeah, but the rig doesn't exist in his specific weekly online home game where he is a huge winner.
Oh no, he's been very clear that the rig does exist in the online home game. His evidence for this is that the guys who usually win the live 4 hour SNGs lose online, and the guys that get their asses handed to them live manage to win online.
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Here is a good rig for you. For years I have played live with same group if guys. We got certain results and kept a point system. Same 3 or 4 guys usually had a chance to win the point season.
We then signed up for pokerstars home games. Same group if guys. Played many games it will also keep a point system. Guess what games and results were more even. The not so good players actually did better.
Also, while searching for that post I came across this thread from last year asking people to help him compare live and online stakes. 5 posts in he replied with
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Any there is no way no 1 cent games is tougher then1-2 live. Kinda stretching It there
then the thread devolved into people challenging him to HU for rolls and calling him dumb.

There's also this thread where he explains his rig theory that he's absolutely sure makes flushes hit more often than they should, is almost immediately offered a bet, but as he still does has no idea what escrows are and expects people to just take his word for it when money's involved, and of course it just turns into silly rambling and the last post is someone calling him out on not even sticking to his theory.

fun fun fun.

Last edited by Obvious Shill Alt; 12-03-2015 at 11:53 AM. Reason: lulz
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12-03-2015 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pots-For-Sale
You would have to pay me directly to come play with you and your home game noobs. I'd rather slit my wrists than play a live $20 STT.
We allow rebuys. Pot usually hits 400o-500 dollars

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Originally Posted by batair
If you and your friends cant tell online poker in general has harder, tighter, tougher, games then live. You and they should not play online.
Yeah cuz I hardly ever get CALLED BY J4 suited irrational K7 suited onljne

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
No, the point you were originally making was that if someone had a 11.6% ROI and had a 500 game breakeven stretch, the game must be rigged. He showed you the math, which you agreed was correct, so I guess now you've moved on to a completely different topic. Since you've conceded the point, I'll leave you to your silly arguments about how awesome your home game is and that since you can't beat online by the same amount, it must be rigged.
My original point was if he is a good player 11.6 is laughable live. It's rigged online to give him the low 11.6 roi

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Originally Posted by 39suited
Oh yeah, but the rig doesn't exist in his specific weekly online home game where he is a huge winner. Too bad it doesn't pay off money wise.

Maybe it is only rigged when jungmit doesn't win? That would be a shocking revelation to say the least.
OR if u read u said the guys who don't do as well live do better online. Never said the live winners were losing online or the live losers were winning. I said they do overall better online. U guys need to read what is be written. Or u can just get it in your head that it's not rigged and there is no reason for why losers do better online and winners do worse and be happy with your life. Cuz after all why would a billion dollar company do anything for more money. Almost. Never happens. They are mostly all happy with the profit they earn and would never do anything to make more money. I give u my proof and u don't beleive so I guess there is nothing that will help us guys. I will continue to play live and online. Good luck to all of u guys.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 12-03-2015 at 02:52 PM. Reason: 4 posts merged
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12-03-2015 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Yeah cuz I hardly ever get CALLED BY J4 suited irrational K7 suited onljne
Game of Nits, soon coming to the cinemas near you.
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Originally Posted by jungmit
I give u my proof and u don't beleive so I guess there is nothing that will help us guys.
What proof was that again? I already forgot because you kept changing your mind and opinion to fit to your imagination. Ah wait no, you produced nothing but made up stuff.
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12-03-2015 , 01:48 PM
Dammit, 39, just read what is be written.
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12-03-2015 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
OR if u read u said the guys who don't do as well live do better online. Never said the live winners were losing online or the live losers were winning. I said they do overall better online. U guys need to read what is be written. Or u can just get it in your head that it's not rigged and there is no reason for why losers do better online and winners do worse and be happy with your life. Cuz after all why would a billion dollar company do anything for more money. Almost. Never happens. They are mostly all happy with the profit they earn and would never do anything to make more money. I give u my proof and u don't beleive so I guess there is nothing that will help us guys. I will continue to play live and online. Good luck to all of u guys.


has it occured to you yet that you are probably one of the biggest idiots in this whole 5,000 page thread?

After reading most of the conversation of the past 20 pages or so, it's painfully clear that you have very low IQ, borderlining ******ation (excuse my language) and that if you are completely serious about everything you have said so far (not just being an epic troll) then you should highly consider seeing a professional therapist for your issues
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12-03-2015 , 02:21 PM
Follow my links to his previous threads, if he's a troll he's incredibly dedicated to the act.
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12-03-2015 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
My original point was if he is a good player 11.6 is laughable live. It's rigged online to give him the low 11.6 roi
Couple of points here:

Even if it is rigged, you realize everyone can't do worse online than live, right? If a whole lot of people are doing worse (because of the rig), then someone's gotta be doing better. It is 100% impossible to rig SnGs so that everyone's ROI is lower than it should be. So maybe I'm a bad player, and it's rigged to give me an artificially inflated ROI of 11.6%.

Let's assume players are equally tough online as live (they're not, but let's assume they are). People multitable online. The good players are more likely to multitable. They don't live. Let's say you're in the 75th percentile of players. Live, this means you're in the 75th percentile of players at your table. Online, this means that you're closer to the 50th percentile of the players at your table. Which makes your ROI lower.

Live SnGs are way softer than online ones. People just don't play them professionally (or even semi-profesionally) live. It just doesn't happen.
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12-03-2015 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by madcatz1999
It is 100% impossible to rig SnGs so that everyone's ROI is lower than it should be.
His conjecture is that the rig steals equity from good players and gives it to bad ones, so he's not saying everyone's ROIs are lower, just good players.

Or at least he said that a few times, he could always post something completely contradictory in the future.
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12-03-2015 , 03:20 PM
His 50% roi is from sng's with rebuys and no rake. And he compares it to stt with rake and no rebuys.
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12-03-2015 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
There's also this thread where he explains his rig theory that he's absolutely sure makes flushes hit more often than they should, is almost immediately offered a bet, but as he still does has no idea what escrows are and expects people to just take his word for it when money's involved, and of course it just turns into silly rambling and the last post is someone calling him out on not even sticking to his theory.

fun fun fun.
that bet thread was a difficult read. by the end i just felt sorry for him.

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Originally Posted by jungmit
I give u my proof and u don't beleive so I guess there is nothing that will help us guys. I will continue to play live and online. Good luck to all of u guys.
im convinced you were able to retire at 32 because of a traumatic head injury, winning the lottery or magic.
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12-03-2015 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
My original point was if he is a good player 11.6 is laughable live. It's rigged online to give him the low 11.6 roi
No, as I said:

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
No, the point you were originally making was that if someone had a 11.6% ROI and had a 500 game breakeven stretch, the game must be rigged.
Here's your original post on the subject:

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Originally Posted by jungmit
Yeah rigged. Do u really think that would ever happen live? 550 live games of break even if u were a winning player? Seriously I would like to know your thoughts on this.
I know it's hard for you to keep all of your posts straight, since you wander from point to point so often. Hopefully this resolves it for you.
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12-03-2015 , 08:39 PM
It is impossible to believe that the same people would play in a home game for ten years with someone who is as stupid as his posts show he might be, especially if he was the winning player he claims to be, even if they were themselves bigger droolers than his posts show he might be. It would also be impossible to believe that he would not constantly be calling out his fellow players for cheating whenever he lost a hand, if he really is as his posts show he might be.

This latest BS is evidence that he is either the best troll this thread has ever attracted, or, that he is clinically insane.

You may be having fun replying to him, but please ask yourselves, do I want to feed the troll, or, should I get my fun from bullying a mentally disabled person?
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12-03-2015 , 09:13 PM
He is not a troll. Live games are filled with people just like him. Just ignore him at this point since he is bringing no new fun material and wait for better , fresher riggies.
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12-03-2015 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

You may be having fun replying to him, but please ask yourselves, do I want to feed the troll, or, should I get my fun from bullying a mentally disabled person?
I actually wrote a long post and deleted it today saying the same thing.

It should be clear by now to all of you who have been going back and forth with him for a year that something isn't right mentally. The only reason I can see why you continue is because you are getting entertainment out of it (which means you are a jerk).

If you are a good person you would stop engaging him.
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12-03-2015 , 10:05 PM
Sorry but that is really assuming a lot to claim he would be mentally disabled. Believe it or not, but there really are people who are that stupid and have been living under a rock. But yeah, i am done either way because he simply provides no entertainment value anymore and keeps confusing his own made up stuff.
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12-03-2015 , 10:21 PM
His entertainment value has shot to zero, and I agree that calling him mentally challenged is likely a bit over the top. I am not sure why some people here are surprised people like him exist as there are plenty in this world. Just go to a Trump rally and bring popcorn and you will find tons of similar personalities.

I was just hoping he would follow up on just one of his silly prop bets, because nobody of his kind ever does, and after 4+ that he proposed and ran away from it was pretty obvious that we were not going to get anything interesting from him. His best accomplishment is that he caused the Thai hooker riggie's latest incarnation to be in and out in about 4 posts because nobody cared/noticed him while they were distracted by the prop bet riggie.

Pokerstars has people "striking" against them, so lets just do the same thing. I tossed him on ignore, and others can do the same if they like. Perhaps that will help clear the way for fresh and entertaining riggies!
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12-03-2015 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Gemaco
I actually wrote a long post and deleted it today saying the same thing.

It should be clear by now to all of you who have been going back and forth with him for a year that something isn't right mentally. The only reason I can see why you continue is because you are getting entertainment out of it (which means you are a jerk).

If you are a good person you would stop engaging him.
Just because you can't see a reason for people to engage him doesn't mean those who do can't be good people. I don't really care if for some other reason you've concluded I'm not a good person, but it's a pretty broad brush to use on a group of people simply for how they choose to post in a thread.

That said, you and Mike make some good points.
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12-04-2015 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
His entertainment value has shot to zero, and I agree that calling him mentally challenged is likely a bit over the top. I am not sure why some people here are surprised people like him exist as there are plenty in this world. Just go to a Trump rally and bring popcorn and you will find tons of similar personalities.

I was just hoping he would follow up on just one of his silly prop bets, because nobody of his kind ever does, and after 4+ that he proposed and ran away from it was pretty obvious that we were not going to get anything interesting from him. His best accomplishment is that he caused the Thai hooker riggie's latest incarnation to be in and out in about 4 posts because nobody cared/noticed him while they were distracted by the prop bet riggie.

Pokerstars has people "striking" against them, so lets just do the same thing. I tossed him on ignore, and others can do the same if they like. Perhaps that will help clear the way for fresh and entertaining riggies!
Seek help. Go vote for Hillary Clinton u zipper head
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