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11-24-2015 , 03:52 PM
Nothing to eat popcorn about, unless the 30th time or so he hints he will do something (without ever doing it) excites you.

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Originally Posted by jungmit
Contrary to what u think I know when I run Good or bad and when I play good or bad. I would also notice if I won 5 times in a row. I once win 3 str8 all in with aaxx in plo and I know was very fortunate to do it.

Pm monty. We can work out escrow details.


You would notice it if you won 5 in a row. You would notice it if you lost 5 in a row. You would not notice it otherwise, which is why "noticing" streaks is meaningless in and by itself without all the data.

Again, believe whatever you want to believe. Lots of gamblers believe in streaks which is what leads most of them to the "cannot lose" Martingale system. Perhaps you have tried that in the past, who knows.

Regarding your PM/escrow thing - you have had well over a month to follow up on your several prop bets after they have been accepted, and you never do, as you make one excuse after another. You are the riggie who cried wolf too often, so nobody, especially myself, will ever believe you will be seriously trying to do one of them at this point. You lie about everything, so go ahead and PM yourself and the two of you can tell each other how you have no idea how escrow works and have the other send it to a buddy of yours.

All the best.
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11-24-2015 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Regarding your PM/escrow thing - you have had well over a month to follow up on your several prop bets after they have been accepted, and you never do, as you make one excuse after another.
Even ones that are for $0 and require no escrow.

Hell, he wouldn't even bother guessing at 10 flops that were posted ITT.

At this point it seems more like laziness than stupidity.
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11-24-2015 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Nothing to eat popcorn about, unless the 30th time or so he hints he will do something (without ever doing it) excites you.





You would notice it if you won 5 in a row. You would notice it if you lost 5 in a row. You would not notice it otherwise, which is why "noticing" streaks is meaningless in and by itself without all the data.

Again, believe whatever you want to believe. Lots of gamblers believe in streaks which is what leads most of them to the "cannot lose" Martingale system. Perhaps you have tried that in the past, who knows.

Regarding your PM/escrow thing - you have had well over a month to follow up on your several prop bets after they have been accepted, and you never do, as you make one excuse after another. You are the riggie who cried wolf too often, so nobody, especially myself, will ever believe you will be seriously trying to do one of them at this point. You lie about everything, so go ahead and PM yourself and the two of you can tell each other how you have no idea how escrow works and have the other send it to a buddy of yours.

All the best.
Who said it was useful? Pm monty I will await your message
Which prop bet was accepted?
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11-24-2015 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
Even ones that are for $0 and require no escrow.

Hell, he wouldn't even bother guessing at 10 flops that were posted ITT.

At this point it seems more like laziness than stupidity.
Def laziness for a free bet or $20. Now if monty wants to play me hu plo I am sure I will be more energized
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11-24-2015 , 05:23 PM
I have been thinking about this and have come to a realization.

to be clear I am not saying poker is rigged right now I dont believe it is.

However I do believe it will be many of the major poker sites are raging war on the regs doing whatever they can to get rid of regs or players that regulary cash out for good.

but the thing is if the deal is fair hard work and intelligence will always surpass that of laziness and lack of intelligence.

no matter how you mix the games up or change the structure if the games are beatable and there is profit to be made there will always be regs. now you can create games where rake is high so high incomes cant be had which is where sites are moving but even with six figures gone there is still a living to be made.

you either make it games of pure chance or hike the rake to levels where even the fish or recs will decide the rake is to silly and walk away.

there is only one way the sites can achieve there objective long term and that is to rig the deal.

its not rigged.

but thats not rigged yet.

its going to be rigged.
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11-24-2015 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LukeSilver
I have been thinking about this and have come to a realization.

to be clear I am not saying poker is rigged right now I dont believe it is.

However I do believe it will be many of the major poker sites are raging war on the regs doing whatever they can to get rid of regs or players that regulary cash out for good.

but the thing is if the deal is fair hard work and intelligence will always surpass that of laziness and lack of intelligence.

no matter how you mix the games up or change the structure if the games are beatable and there is profit to be made there will always be regs. now you can create games where rake is high so high incomes cant be had which is where sites are moving but even with six figures gone there is still a living to be made.

you either make it games of pure chance or hike the rake to levels where even the fish or recs will decide the rake is to silly and walk away.

there is only one way the sites can achieve there objective long term and that is to rig the deal.

its not rigged.

but thats not rigged yet.

its going to be rigged.
And that is my point. Even if it's rigged good players will win over time, they just may win less then if it was not rigged
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11-24-2015 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LukeSilver
I have been thinking about this and have come to a realization.

to be clear I am not saying poker is rigged right now I dont believe it is.

However I do believe it will be many of the major poker sites are raging war on the regs doing whatever they can to get rid of regs or players that regulary cash out for good.

but the thing is if the deal is fair hard work and intelligence will always surpass that of laziness and lack of intelligence.

no matter how you mix the games up or change the structure if the games are beatable and there is profit to be made there will always be regs. now you can create games where rake is high so high incomes cant be had which is where sites are moving but even with six figures gone there is still a living to be made.

you either make it games of pure chance or hike the rake to levels where even the fish or recs will decide the rake is to silly and walk away.

there is only one way the sites can achieve there objective long term and that is to rig the deal.

its not rigged.

but thats not rigged yet.

its going to be rigged.

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Originally Posted by jungmit
And that is my point. Even if it's rigged good players will win over time, they just may win less then if it was not rigged

Actually, your point is not the same as his point. So, actually, "that" is not your point.
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11-24-2015 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Who said it was useful? Pm monty I will await your message
Which prop bet was accepted?
Wow, you have not asked pretty much this exact question in 4 days, so no wonder you forgot...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=79211

and my response at the time

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...l#post48704560


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Originally Posted by jungmit
Def laziness for a free bet or $20. Now if monty wants to play me hu plo I am sure I will be more energized

Back to that heads up challenge? That was your prop bet 1 of 4 that went uncompleted by you. The one that despite being asked over and over and over which online poker room you refused to ever say? Yeah, doing that chat again sounds like real fun...


Looks like you are in a bit of a repeat mode with your old man forgetting everything bit, so how about this since you love prop bets.

I will put up 50 if I lose, and if you lose you agree to get perma banned, something you said you did not care about. The bet is simple - that you will eventually agree to another prop bet.

So, how about it grandpa? Another prop bet for you to chicken out of doing!


All the best.
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11-24-2015 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LukeSilver
However I do believe it will be many of the major poker sites are raging war on the regs doing whatever they can to get rid of regs or players that regulary cash out for good.
Sure, live and online poker rooms both wish they had no regs in the games.
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no matter how you mix the games up or change the structure if the games are beatable and there is profit to be made there will always be regs.
Of course, but as games get tougher the number of people who can beat them shrinks.
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there is only one way the sites can achieve there objective long term and that is to rig the deal.
Says you. So far the steps the sites have taken seem to be doing a fine job of getting rid of (or at the very least, irritating the **** out of) regs. There are many easier steps they can take to continue trying to get rid of regs before they spend a lot of time and money on trying to rig things specifically against a small group of players.
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11-24-2015 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Wow, you have not asked pretty much this exact question in 4 days, so no wonder you forgot...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=79211

and my response at the time

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...l#post48704560





Back to that heads up challenge? That was your prop bet 1 of 4 that went uncompleted by you. The one that despite being asked over and over and over which online poker room you refused to ever say? Yeah, doing that chat again sounds like real fun...


Looks like you are in a bit of a repeat mode with your old man forgetting everything bit, so how about this since you love prop bets.

I will put up 50 if I lose, and if you lose you agree to get perma banned, something you said you did not care about. The bet is simple - that you will eventually agree to another prop bet.

So, how about it grandpa? Another prop bet for you to chicken out of doing!


All the best.
Winning poker network. Pm me
Also the can ban me right now if they want. Not really gonna effect me life. If u got any pull here see if u can get it accomplished. And forget the $50 if u lose . Keep it for the labotomy
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11-24-2015 , 06:17 PM
Uhhh now we are getting really classy with insults. Well played. Now if they already ban you right away short
Y after this, how can you brag in the very rare case that you may eventually win the prop bet?
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11-24-2015 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 39suited
Uhhh now we are getting really classy with insults. Well played.
He always does. Constantly attacks people's character. I usually refrain cuz he may have mental issues, who knows. Just gets old. Let me know which one of u excreted which prop bet . I dot recall anyone agreeing to the terms But maybe I missed a few posts. I don't check this everyday.
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11-24-2015 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Also the can ban me right now if they want. Not really gonna effect me life. If u got any pull here see if u can get it accomplished. And forget the $50 if u lose . Keep it for the labotomy
Yes or no, does this mean you accepted my latest prop bet? I realize asking you a simple yes or no question rarely results in an answer of "yes" or "no," but I figure it is fun to try one last time to see if you, by accident, answer a direct question in a direct manner.

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Originally Posted by jungmit
Let me know which one of u excreted which prop bet .
You excreted all of them into the thread. Not the best visual image...

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Originally Posted by jungmit
I dot recall anyone agreeing to the terms But maybe I missed a few posts. I don't check this everyday.
All of them were accepted by a variety of different posters, and you replied to the various acceptance posts at the time, usually making excuses (not understanding escrow, not agreeing to a minor aspect etc). Stop lying all the time.

All the best.
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11-24-2015 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Yes or no, does this mean you accepted my latest prop bet? I realize asking you a simple yes or no question rarely results in an answer of "yes" or "no," but I figure it is fun to try one last time to see if you, by accident, answer a direct question in a direct manner.



You excreted all of them into the thread. Not the best visual image...



All of them were accepted by a variety of different posters, and you replied to the posts at the time. Stop lying all the time.

All the best.
Last post on the guessing turn river was how many flops can I miss. My answer was as many as i want. Never heard anything besides give us a certain number. It's my prop bet I am proposing missing as many as I want. If we can't agree then no bet i guess. Never heard back since.
So u with me banned and if I win what do I get?
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11-24-2015 , 06:38 PM
Maybe agree on which types of hands you'll guess at. To prevent you from missing 10% and never finishing. I'm joking. Jesus.
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11-24-2015 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
Maybe agree on which types of hands you'll guess at. To prevent you from missing 60% and never finishing. I'm joking. Jesus.
There are no types. It's just when I feel I will be right after all us fish just feel and have no real basis for anything. So I can't use hard numbers cuz I am a fish
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11-24-2015 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Last post on the guessing turn river was how many flops can I miss. My answer was as many as i want. Never heard anything besides give us a certain number. It's my prop bet I am proposing missing as many as I want. If we can't agree then no bet i guess. Never heard back since.
Yeah, you have said this multiple times, and multiple times I linked you the person accepting it and asking how many you would need to miss as a maximum. You never replied. That is what you do, you lie all the time. All you have to do is pick a number. 10 trials, and you are able to miss 100 flops. That's a ton, so how about that? If you agree then you and that other person can do it in that home game you created (as if that was the truth, heh).


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Originally Posted by jungmit
o u with me banned and if I win what do I get?
This may make sense in your head, but it makes no sense with any conversation going. Take a deep breath, blame your typing skills, and try again.

Also, yes or no - do you accept my latest prop bet to you. You forgot to answer that direct question (as expected), so may as well ask again! If you do not answer soon, then you will forget it, and say you never read it!

All the best.


P.S. You ever see the movie "Momento?" You probably do not remember...
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11-24-2015 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Yeah, you have said this multiple times, and multiple times I linked you the person accepting it and asking how many you would need to miss as a maximum. You never replied. That is what you do, you lie all the time. All you have to do is pick a number. 10 trials, and you are able to miss 100 flops. That's a ton, so how about that? If you agree then you and that other person can do it in that home game you created (as if that was the truth, heh).




This may make sense in your head, but it makes no sense with any conversation going. Take a deep breath, blame your typing skills, and try again.

Also, yes or no - do you accept my latest prop bet to you. You forgot to answer that direct question (as expected), so may as well ask again! If you do not answer soon, then you will forget it, and say you never read it!

All the best.


P.S. You ever see the movie "Momento?" You probably do not remember...
1. Never saw the link. I don't check this everyday day.
2. Again I accept But I will miss as many flops as I choose
3. I said I would play u and u win u want me banned, what do I get if I win? U really can't use your tremendous mental power and decipher that yourself? It was so far off u assumed I never answered. At this point I am beginning to feel sorry for u dude.
4. Never saw the movie. I have seen less then 25 movies in 20 years. Don't quotes movies.
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11-24-2015 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
1. Never saw the link. I don't check this everyday day.
Yeah, you forget a lot it seems, even posts you reply to at the time.


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Originally Posted by jungmit
2. Again I accept But I will miss as many flops as I choose
Then PM that other person and tell him the details of your home game.


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Originally Posted by jungmit
3. I said I would play u and u win u want me banned, what do I get if I win? U really can't use your tremendous mental power and decipher that yourself? It was so far off u assumed I never answered. At this point I am beginning to feel sorry for u dude.
You are getting confused again. The heads up prop bet was yours that you never followed up on after it was accepted. The one I am asking about now is the new prop bet. You replied to that post, but you probably do not remember it, since you do not read this every day, so I will post it again. Read it, and before you forget, answer with a yes or no


I will put up 50 if I lose, and if you lose you agree to get perma banned, something you said you did not care about. The bet is simple - that you will eventually agree to another prop bet.


In case you read that and already forgot, here is the key part again

The bet is simple - that you will eventually agree to another prop bet.


In case bold does not do it, lets add some italics

The bet is simple - that you will eventually agree to another prop bet.

Perhaps underlining it will help.

The bet is simple - that you will eventually agree to another prop bet.


So - yes or no - you accept?


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Originally Posted by jungmit
4. Never saw the movie. I have seen less then 25 movies in 20 years. Don't quotes movies.
You would not remember it if you saw it.

All the best.
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11-24-2015 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Yeah, you forget a lot it seems, even posts you reply to at the time.




Then PM that other person and tell him the details of your home game.




You are getting confused again. The heads up prop bet was yours that you never followed up on after it was accepted. The one I am asking about now is the new prop bet. You replied to that post, but you probably do not remember it, since you do not read this every day, so I will post it again. Read it, and before you forget, answer with a yes or no


I will put up 50 if I lose, and if you lose you agree to get perma banned, something you said you did not care about. The bet is simple - that you will eventually agree to another prop bet.


In case you read that and already forgot, here is the key part again

The bet is simple - that you will eventually agree to another prop bet.


In case bold does not do it, lets add some italics

The bet is simple - that you will eventually agree to another prop bet.

Perhaps underlining it will help.

The bet is simple - that you will eventually agree to another prop bet.


So - yes or no - you accept?




You would not remember it if you saw it.

All the best.
Seek help. If u need anything pm me. Obviously u have backed out of the HU game.
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11-24-2015 , 07:31 PM
I knew a simple yes or no question would be too much for you to handle, but at least this time you will have a harder time claiming to not remember it, despite being too afraid to actually answer it. Cowards gonna coward and liars gonna lie.

I look forward to your next prop bet offer. We can agree to escrow via hieroglyphics in various caves.

All the best.
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11-24-2015 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Last post on the guessing turn river was how many flops can I miss. My answer was as many as i want. Never heard anything besides give us a certain number. It's my prop bet I am proposing missing as many as I want. If we can't agree then no bet i guess. Never heard back since.
I replied 15 minutes after your post trying to clarify if you were doing the bet with me or a friend of yours, but anyway cool let's do this.

PM me the home game info and a time to set this up (please specify time zone, maybe even just type your current time into the PM to avoid confusion) and we'll go from there. I'm free the rest of today and can make time tomorrow afternoon but then obviously no earlier than next Monday really works.
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11-24-2015 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
I replied 15 minutes after your post trying to clarify if you were doing the bet with me or a friend of yours, but anyway cool let's do this.

PM me the home game info and a time to set this up (please specify time zone, maybe even just type your current time into the PM to avoid confusion) and we'll go from there. I'm free the rest of today and can make time tomorrow afternoon but then obviously no earlier than next Monday really works.
Yes we tried to clarify and couldn't tell. Not sure what is the problem.did we agree on how many flops I can skip?
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11-24-2015 , 08:01 PM
You can skip as many as you want.
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11-24-2015 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Last post on the guessing turn river was how many flops can I miss. My answer was as many as i want. Never heard anything besides give us a certain number. It's my prop bet I am proposing missing as many as I want. If we can't agree then no bet i guess. Never heard back since.
So u with me banned and if I win what do I get?
Under those terms the bet could last forever at your sole discretion. It isn't reasonable to insist on such a term.

I would have hoped that, at least after being told this, every adult human being in the world without some sort of serious mental handicap, would realize that such term is unreasonable and, if such human being actually wanted the bet to take place, be willing to negotiate such term to something more reasonable. But it might not be true; I guess I'm not sure.




EDIT:

Although it seems that Obvious Shill Alt has agreed to your unreasonable term.
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