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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

11-19-2015 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
According to u guys it's very easy to check these stats. U always tell me how easy it is. So u don't really need to spend hours I assume.
The point is its ask what his concern is, u say it's easy to run numbers, they then ask u to then u tell them you don't heir own work. U mentioned u can't do anything cuz he never told u his concern, but when he does u still so nothingm

Seriously this post was edited?

"They then ask u to then u tell them you don't heir own work."

"But when he does u still so nothingm"

Seriously wtf

How do u even have a place to live or how have you ever made any money in your life. Your posts are so tilting to try to read and laugh at.

Good day
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11-19-2015 , 05:44 PM
obvious shill alt/ lostostrich, it is against forum rules to use multiple accounts. please report yourself pronto. If this is not true, I apologize from the bottom of my heart and hope you both get diarrhea!!
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11-19-2015 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheSide
[redacted text] it is against forum rules to use multiple accounts. [redacted text]
It is not. Just FYI.
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11-19-2015 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
It is not. Just FYI.
I stand corrected....although it's still pathetic.
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11-19-2015 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pots-For-Sale
Seriously this post was edited?

"They then ask u to then u tell them you don't heir own work."

"But when he does u still so nothingm"

Seriously wtf

How do u even have a place to live or how have you ever made any money in your life. Your posts are so tilting to try to read and laugh at.

Good day
Yeah hard to money if I can't type. Bagahahaha. Typing is a skill that is very important in the world. Not sure how anyone can live or earn money without it
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11-19-2015 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
This is all I'm on board for anymore. Let me know how many flops you need to skip jungmit to make your 10 guesses and we can try to get this done sometime soonish.
So just to clarify: You suspect Stars has either bots or superusers, so to assuage your fears, you asked Stars to investigate for you.

...wat?Obviously.Then stop going by feel and learn to do simple math. You say that you feel it's rigged in your favor or against you, what specifically makes it that way? Obviously you suspect that hands are occurring either too often or not often enough, but do you even know how often they "should" happen to have any baseline to compare against?You say that as if it's a fact, and not just your own random conjecture. How would a programmer disguise the odds?Thousands of live poker rooms manage to do it all the time, I don't see why it would somehow be harder online where the sites can easily look at how many entries they get into each tournament.If you'd ever used the tracking software that exists, you'd know this is laughable. It would require a massive database that could be accessed by tens (or hundreds, or thousands, or however many bots you choose to believe in) of users simultaneously. It'd be amazing if it could run anywhere near real-time.Winning players are dying off because sites aren't giving as much of the rake they take back, and they've increased the rake.No one can disprove any of your random accusations, any more than you can disprove you've stopped beating your wife.

Play or don't play, and blame evil bots and rigging for your losses if you need to, but if you can't accept that you lose because you're not as good as you think you are, you should probably just quit altogether.
What is weird is the rake is so much higher live with no rake back and are winners dying off there too? If your theory about rake and rake back is true winners should be dying off live also. Unless of course u are still going with the old " online players are so much better and live players are just so horrible" theory
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11-19-2015 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Show the stats from u and all 100 people.
I will have to mail them to you, since that is the only way you know how to send and receive things.

Anyway, are you going to do the prop bet you proposed or not? That other person agreed to all your conditions, and if you are going to continue to stall can you at least put a little more creativity with it. You said you were doing it, so when? Was that just another lie on your part?

If this upsets you then you can challenge me heads up online but refuse to say what room. Perhaps we would play via the postal service.

All the best.
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11-19-2015 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I will have to mail them to you, since that is the only way you know how to send and receive things.

Anyway, are you going to do the prop bet you proposed or not? That other person agreed to all your conditions, and if you are going to continue to stall can you at least put a little more creativity with it.

If this upsets you then you can challenge me heads up online but refuse to say what room. Perhaps we would play via the postal service.

All the best.
Yes we are going to do it. I have a home game set up and we will be doing it there. I will have friends playing and he can watch. I will be skipping as many flops as I choose. It won't be unreasonable.it will be a reasonable number but no number carved in stone. Thanks for your concern monty, but u won't be invited to watch
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11-19-2015 , 06:03 PM
This may shock you, but watching you randomly guess cards in the belief you have a super power is not as exciting as you may think.

You guys playing for $20 (less the cost of a postage stamp) or for no money?

You should say when and where it is so that we do not rely on you simply saying what the results are, since liars gonna lie. You should want as many people watching you demonstrate your psychic abilities if you believe they exist, since after this you can contact James Randi and make a million bucks with it (though he will need a larger sample size than 10 to eliminate luck .

For what it is worth, in the unlikely event you actually do this with some shills watching - I hope you luck into a win (think it was 10% or so), because that would actually be fun to see you believing that validated your extra sensory abilities belief.

All the best.
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11-19-2015 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
This may shock you, but watching you randomly guess cards in the belief you have a super power is not as exciting as you may think.

You guys playing for $20 (less the cost of a postage stamp) or for no money?

You should say when and where it is so that we do not rely on you simply saying what the results are, since liars gonna lie. You should want as many people watching you demonstrate your psychic abilities if you believe they exist.

All the best.
The guy betting me will be watching. I don't have psychic powers sorry to disappoint u. No need for u to be there and if I find out u are then the bet is off. We will figure out what we are playing for, hoe to get it to each other and all other terms. No need for u to stress out about it. Wouldn't want u to be the middle man and get stressed. Thanks for your concern.
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11-19-2015 , 06:12 PM
If you go through with it properly and fail to predict 8 out of 10, will that prove your claims of having that ability were false?

All the best.
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11-19-2015 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
What is weird is the rake is so much higher live with no rake back and are winners dying off there too?
Rake is higher live, but players are tons worse and the stakes start out 100 times higher than they do online so bad players have nowhere lower to go than $1/$2.
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Unless of course u are still going with the old " online players are so much better and live players are just so horrible" theory
That's not a theory, it's just straight up fact.
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Yes we are going to do it. I have a home game set up and we will be doing it there. I will have friends playing and he can watch. I will be skipping as many flops as I choose. It won't be unreasonable.it will be a reasonable number but no number carved in stone. Thanks for your concern monty, but u won't be invited to watch
Who is "he"? Your friend?
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Originally Posted by jungmit
The guy betting me will be watching.
Again, is this referring to me or a friend of yours?
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11-19-2015 , 06:20 PM
Btw, I must add that lostostrich can say what ever he wants but ultimately, he voted YES in the "is online poker rigged" poll!!!!!! pretty hilarious isn't it?
Oh and surprise surprise !!! so did Obvious Shill Alt I am not making this up, go check for yourselves !!!
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11-19-2015 , 06:22 PM
They probably did because riggies need all the help they can get winning a poll about it being rigged in a riggie thread. If I could change my vote to yes I would to help that cause, as it is an embarrassment that riggies can barely get 35% of the vote, even with some who have voted dozens of times. OnTheSide, you should create 6 more accounts to vote yes to get the riggie side to 3,000 votes!



re: the prop bet

Observer chat cannot be seen in the hand histories if posted by an observer. Only a person sitting at a table will have the observer chat show as part of the unconverted hand history.

Therefore, "Obvious Shill Alt" should be sitting at the table so he can properly record all the hands and prove that the predictions were made at the proper time. If he is not then the predictions by another observer will not show in the text.

Ideally both people in the bet should be sitting at the table (sitting out should be fine).

Odds are this still will not happen since there has been no communication between the two sides on the time and place, except in jungmit's head, but in the rare instance it might happen the above information should help ensure these super powers are properly recorded.

All the best.
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11-19-2015 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheSide
Btw, I must add that lostostrich can say what ever he wants but ultimately, he voted YES in the "is online poker rigged" poll!!!!!! pretty hilarious isn't it?
Oh and surprise surprise !!! so did Obvious Shill Alt I am not making this up, go check for yourselves !!!
you'll probably find that a good % of the YES voters were not serious. Glad you found it funny! We aim to please
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11-19-2015 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
you'll probably find that a good % of the YES voters were not serious. Glad you found it funny! We aim to please
If you aim to please, PLEASE play me HU 1000$.
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11-19-2015 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheSide
If you aim to please, PLEASE play me HU 1000$.
on a rigged site? Surely the worst player would win?
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11-19-2015 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheSide
If you aim to please, PLEASE play me HU 1000$.

You should challenge judgmit. He likes heads up challenges, though he refuses to say where they will take place. That way two riggies will play each other, so it can create the fun spot where both people think it is rigged against them in the same heads up match!

Say your user name on Stars so that he (and everyone) knows you mean business, and after that he may mail you some conditions, if he can find a post office.

All the best.
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11-19-2015 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
So according to u he plays 1k and it's obvious he must use tracking software? Not everyone uses this programs.
No, according to him, ****tard. Plese don't respond, it's way more fun if I'm just insulting you. And get your alzheimer/dementia checked, grampa.
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11-19-2015 , 08:02 PM
Guess the two of you will be sitting at a play money table any moment now to test his super powers on his prop bet...
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11-19-2015 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Guess the two of you will be sitting at a play money table any moment now to test his super powers on his prop bet...
Monty I am worried u are getting too stressed out.nplease we will handle it. DOnt worry anymore itS not good for u. I think u are getting to emotionally involved in this. There are no superpowers invloved. Please Monty I think u should seek help for your own benefit. Some are worried about you
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11-19-2015 , 09:11 PM
Just trying to keep your focus on completing a single task, otherwise you will ramble on about sets vs top pairs or live players not being LOLworse than online ones.

If and when you actually complete this, then you can thank me for showing you how to actually get something (even as trivial as one of your prop bets) accomplished, and after that you can go back to being lazy and asking everyone else to do your work for you as you mentally saunter about in the thread . What can I say, I try to help those in need at times.

All the best.
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11-19-2015 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheSide
I would be happy if you could reply to me and disprove all that I have said, it would definitely restore my faith in online sites and get me to believe again that I can profit in poker online.
If you believe that Poker Stars have house bots programmed to win and staff that play with the ability to see hole cards, then unless you're content with the money you're losing as a hobby, you should quit playing. Obviously there's no evidence Stars could ever supply to satisfy you, since if you believe they're doing those things, there's no reason for you to believe the hand histories they send you will be accurate.

Someone who really wants to believe that their losses are a result of being cheated will always find a way to believe it.
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11-19-2015 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
If you believe that Poker Stars have house bots programmed to win and staff that play with the ability to see hole cards, then unless you're content with the money you're losing as a hobby, you should quit playing. Obviously there's no evidence Stars could ever supply to satisfy you, since if you believe they're doing those things, there's no reason for you to believe the hand histories they send you will be accurate.

Someone who really wants to believe that their losses are a result of being cheated will always find a way to believe it.
What if he is a winning player?
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11-20-2015 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheSide
my specific concerns? I have been playing a lot of heads up games lately, I feel I am much better than the rest.
You aren't. The fact that you are in the poker is rigged thread crying because you are losing should make that fact crystal clear to you. I can assure you that you wont be seeing Durrrr or Phil Ivey up in this thread whining about the imaginary house bots that are crushing them.
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