You are making stuff up, even if you believe it to be true. I gave you hints as to how to make stuff up to better support your action hand riggie belief structure, and it is up to you if you want your made up stuff to help that or work against it. Your current made up data works against your stated riggie beliefs.

Also, if you can see how the game is different then you can simply adjust to take advantage of the rig and make a fortune instead of complaining about it. Maybe do that.

If you want to help the people you think are blind to what you see then simply prove it. Would you take the word of a random on the internet with no evidence about everything? If so then let me know and I can sell you all sorts of software that will let you see hole cards, let you be a super user, let you create life - you name it and its yours for $50! I will even offer you a buy one and get one free for your counting buddy.

All the best.

sng's involve a lot of variance. play a ton. the cards come back eventually.

like i asked, please tell me how i can prove it? Tell me how to get a hold of my hand history on partypoker? There is no way unless you go to hand history and put hand JJ then it comes up your recent hands with JJ it will not show the hands in a row. I am dying to look at my real hand history but its not possible

Many of us have; that article's sort of old news now.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...droom-1566462/

As you must have been playing only one SNG, presumably you know or can easily find the tournament number. Can you ask PP for the HH of that SNG? Or do you have PT or HEM? You may be able to set the filter to show what you want.

Otoh, as Monteroy says, if you change your method of play to cater for your knowledge that too many pairs flop when you're in the game, it would be similar to card counting in BJ, and you could win a fortune over the long term.

If you're saying it happened to be the one and only game where there was a freak occurrence, (it will happen one day to some players, however unlikely it seems), then it actually doesn't matter, going forwards. If you're saying you often see a massive run of pairs, and you have access to a pen and paper, jot down the tournament number and the hand numbers as soon as you see, say, at least the first three in a row so you don't miss being able to out this rig that no one else has ever noticed, even though it was quite obvious to your friend from watching one game.

I can't believe this thread is now over 5200 pages of people who claim the most miraculous things but have 0 proof to back their claims.

Reminds me of church.

Except at least for churchgoers there isn't openly available data that disproves their belief in God (nor will there ever be). All a riggie has to do is look at their own files on their computer!

Ok one more thing. Do you guys believe the flop turn and river on board on sites are random and generating differently for each card or are the flop turn and river predetermined before it runs out all the way?

Pokerstars deals the cards like a live deck in that the order is determined before the hand is dealt. Other sites like Full Tilt determine the card at random when it is dealt.

Both are random, but if you fold a flush draw on Stars and it hits then you know it would have hit (if that sort of thing matters to you), on a site like Tilt the river card does not matter for that. You can contact the room you play on to find out which method they use, though both are random, though you are free to believe whatever you like.

All the best.

any1 else think full tilt is run with bots?

Past 2 days, nearly every pocket prem hand (queens kings aces) have been cracked

Im not talking queens vs ace king, its vs **** like this

Dealer: Hand #36013331682
Dealer: RTF_x14x has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: wolverin-2821 has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: wolverin-2821 has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: lxovoxl shows [Ad Ac]
Dealer: wolverin-2821 shows [3d Td]
Dealer: lxovoxl shows a pair of Aces
Dealer: wolverin-2821 shows a straight, Ten high
Dealer: wolverin-2821 wins the pot ($49.70) with a straight, Ten high

We get it all in pre flop, I have aces, for 30$ each, the guy insta calls my shove (he re raised to 7$), I shoved for 27ish

who the *** playys like this? he also played 96% of hands


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Seat 1: xteemox ($22.60)
Seat 2: RTF_x14x ($50)
Seat 3: wolverin-2821 ($55.25)
Seat 4: rak65 ($79.65)
Seat 5: DaPokerGun ($52.75)
Seat 6: lxovoxl ($24.40)
lxovoxl posts the small blind of $0.25
xteemox posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lxovoxl [Ad Ac]
RTF_x14x raises to $1.50
wolverin-2821 calls $1.50
rak65 calls $1.50
DaPokerGun folds
lxovoxl raises to $4.50
xteemox folds
RTF_x14x has 15 seconds left to act
RTF_x14x folds
wolverin-2821 has 15 seconds left to act
wolverin-2821 raises to $7.50
rak65 folds
lxovoxl raises to $24.40, and is all in
wolverin-2821 has 15 seconds left to act
wolverin-2821 calls $16.90
lxovoxl shows [Ad Ac]
wolverin-2821 shows [3d Td]
*** FLOP *** [6d 9h 8s] (Total Pot: $52.30, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
*** TURN *** [6d 9h 8s] [7s] (Total Pot: $52.30, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
*** RIVER *** [6d 9h 8s 7s] [4s] (Total Pot: $52.30, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
lxovoxl shows a pair of Aces
wolverin-2821 shows a straight, Ten high
wolverin-2821 wins the pot ($49.70) with a straight, Ten high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $52.30 | Rake $2.60
Board: [6d 9h 8s 7s 4s]
Seat 1: xteemox (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: RTF_x14x folded before the Flop
Seat 3: wolverin-2821 showed [3d Td] and won ($49.70) with a straight, Ten high
Seat 4: rak65 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: DaPokerGun (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: lxovoxl (small blind) showed [Ad Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces

Wow, you suck at poker.

Not sure why you think this has anything whatsoever to do with bots.

I cant understand someone who plays 96% of hands of 180 hands at that table, is a winning player, and calls a shove with 3 10, how can someone who plays like this be profitable?

Like...explain this to me lol

My first reaction is "no human in their right mind would play this idiotically"

He beats you in one hand and you think he's a winning player?

If no human in their right mind would play this idiotically why would a human build a bot to play like that?

So it's more likely that a human would program a bot to play that idiotically?

Perhaps since it's been happening to you so often, you could find maybe like...more than one example for us? $30 each, huh? Neat trick! Also,
That's not an insta call, at all. Your memory of what happened vs what the hand history actually says don't mesh up very well.
You have 180 hands on this dingus where he has a 96 VPIP and you think he's a winning player? Are you high right now? He limp/minraised T3s, he's probably down thousands lifetime. Humans that play this idiotically feed the poker economy. In the magical days of 2005, guys like this were everywhere.

Ill explain it to you. You found a player at the table that is worse than you. Be happy, because I can assure you that the NL50 regs at the table were happy as hell to have him there. Even more happy than they were to see you and your half stack sit down fwiw.

But how do they feel when a player like this wins and keeps winning? They still happy to see him u think?

No one plays like this and keeps winning. If he hits a streak of cards it might be particular to only that one game. His lifetime ROI is surely negative

xmoowoomx had 180 hands on him and he had a whopping 110 BBs, it's not like he was sweeping all the money off the table. Even after stacking xmoowoomx, he only had 160 BBs.

Any reg with a brain was fist pumping that a 96 VPIP moron had all those delicious chips to take.

Here's the problem tho. Sometime and certain days u are not going to beat those fish

That isn't a problem.

It's in fact exactly why horrible fish keep playing.

People quit chess pretty early unless they really love it, because you rarely just get lucky against a more skilled player, and it gets old getting mercilessly beaten every game.

People keep gambling because occasionally they win, regardless of their lack of skill.

Yeah I understand all that. I am saying on the dashboard the fish can't lose what bother playing with them? Just quit those days

Sure, if you hate money. Your suggestion is like telling an amazing pitcher like Clayton Kershaw that because an awful batter like Joaquin Arias is 2 for 2 against him in a game, he should just walk him the next at bat instead of going for the strikeout.