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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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Undecided
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08-14-2009 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rounding4Rent
It may be rigged, it may not be rigged - there is no way to be sure.
then thanks for stopping by. it's been a hoot. feel free to make an ass out of yourself any old time though!
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From comparing my results with others who were in the same situation and seeing common patterns that a 5 year old child could recognize I used my common sense and concluded something was not right.
you continue to simultaneously inspire fits of laughter and pity.
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08-14-2009 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Worthless posts like the above make this thread useless and not worth reading. 3 column-feet to whine about normal hands with no information content whatsoever. One day I'll just quit checking back to this thread to avoid the cringe factor. Might start today.
Why don't you Report them and ask for them to be considered for deletion by a moderator, then, instead of adding to the clutter with another worthless and whining post?
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08-14-2009 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SwedishMedusa
He should make a business out of it and teach others how to exploit the rig, like this guy:

http://maxstakespoker.com/
I love the line "Jump to the back and use the chart and pattern tracking, I just won $142 in 40 min."

BALLA!!
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08-14-2009 , 02:32 PM
Rounding4rent...If you play cash PM me some of your interesting hands or ones you are not sure if played optimaly.
As i do a fuel to the fire on occasions lol.
I will have a look for you no charge.
Without sweating in on a session or if you cam studio i will give you good honest advice.
Value betting.... polarizing ranges... bluff inducing..Depending on level ect.
Advanced strat for free.
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08-14-2009 , 02:39 PM
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I will have a look for you no charge.
Without sweating in on a session or if you cam studio i will give you good honest advice.
Value betting.... polarizing ranges... bluff inducing..Depending on level ect.
Advanced strat for free
don't need it man, I make my money playing live - and I am probably a better player than you are.
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08-14-2009 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Why don't you Report them and ask for them to be considered for deletion by a moderator, then, instead of adding to the clutter with another worthless and whining post?
Would you delete them? As you've probably seen, I report a decent amount of posts, but it's usually people that acting like dicks, not giant conspiracy theory posts.

And R4R, you scammer, give me back my $5M.
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08-14-2009 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rounding4Rent
don't need it man, I make my money playing live - and I am probably a better player than you are.
Sharkscope must be rigged too then. Because you suck according to that.
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08-14-2009 , 04:39 PM
So I am just wondering how many samples like these do you guys need to see to at think that their might be something wrong at Pstars? I have more, I have abreviated these so that I dont bombard you guys with a ton of info. I can email anyone who wants to see more once I get feedback that this person is trusted.

Here are the last handful of tournaments I played on Pokerstars the last couple of days. These are specific hands that I am ahead pre flop and am the short stack. A couple of these are coin flips and had me well ahead after a good flop. This is typically how I run on this site. This is just a sample of what I see all of the time. How else am I supposed to feel if this stuff doesnt stop happening over and over again? So frustrating...


UhOh_It'sJoe: raises 1300 to 1420 and is all-in
BOOMER 2906: calls 1300
*** FLOP *** [4c Ts 5h]
*** TURN *** [4c Ts 5h] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [4c Ts 5h Ac] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
UhOh_It'sJoe: shows [Kh Kd] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
BOOMER 2906: shows [Ah Kc] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
BOOMER 2906 collected 2885 from pot


UhOh_It'sJoe: shows [Qh Qs] (a pair of Queens)
123troxwell: shows [Qd Ad] (a pair of Aces)
123troxwell collected 2065 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2065 | Rake 0
Board [Js 8s Ac 5h Kd]
Seat 2: mathJoke (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: scotd1888 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: UhOh_It'sJoe (big blind) showed [Qh Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens



*** SHOW DOWN ***
UhOh_It'sJoe: shows [As Jd] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
pomor1962: shows [Ts Qd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
pomor1962 collected 30542 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30542 | Rake 0
Board [Ah 4s Jh Kc 3s]
Seat 1: OutHoggin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: UhOh_It'sJoe showed [As Jd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 3: pomor1962 showed [Ts Qd] and won (30542) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 4: kpxboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tezeta folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: spinberry folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Rickson26 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: dismortal (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: pokerazubi (big blind) folded before Flop


*** SHOW DOWN ***
Wh33l3r22: shows [Ah Qc] (a pair of Queens)
UhOh_It'sJoe: shows [Th Td] (a pair of Tens)
Wh33l3r22 collected 1055 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1055 | Rake 0
Board [Jh 2s 7d Qs 4h]
Seat 1: ifty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sprucejon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: x_MrGecko_x folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ThaThinker (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: islandannie (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Wh33l3r22 (big blind) showed [Ah Qc] and won (1055) with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: UhOh_It'sJoe showed [Th Td] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 8: Nookie2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Robzilla1970 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


*** SHOW DOWN ***
Alobos: shows [Qc 9c] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
UhOh_It'sJoe: shows [7c Ad] (a pair of Tens)
Alobos collected 2530 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2530 | Rake 0
Board [2h Tc Ts 8h 9d]
Seat 1: Carson Wells folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SlappyCheese folded before Flop
Seat 3: ulysseshulk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: turekpolska folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: UhOh_It'sJoe (button) showed [7c Ad] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 7: yzfr101 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Alobos (big blind) showed [Qc 9c] and won (2530) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 9: plb183 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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08-14-2009 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown
So I am just wondering how many samples like these do you guys need to see to at think that their might be something wrong at Pstars?
Thousands. The worst beat you posted was a 70/30. You're supposed to lose 3/10 of them. And what happens on the flop doesn't matter, since when the money went in you were a 70% favorite.
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This is typically how I run on this site. This is just a sample of what I see all of the time. How else am I supposed to feel if this stuff doesnt stop happening over and over again? So frustrating...
This is how tournaments are in general. Have you never watched an ESPN broadcast? If it's that frustrating, switch to cash.
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08-14-2009 , 05:03 PM
OK R4R....Its not about whos the best and im not questioning your ability.
I still now get others to evaluate my play.
Just an offer..I do well..now.
Peace.
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08-14-2009 , 06:01 PM
Their voting in D.C. today on regulating online poker, maybe we'll get a new site thats not rigged.
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08-14-2009 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Why don't you Report them and ask for them to be considered for deletion by a moderator, then, instead of adding to the clutter with another worthless and whining post?
Here's one more. My intention with that post was partly to get your attention, so thank you for deleting the posts. I'm not one to privately report someone's behavior to authority when they are simply boorish and annoying, I prefer confronting them and publicly embarrassing them. (Warning, here's the whine part) - I think you were a little harsh on me here since I post a lot of worthwhile content, and I rarely post a whine. I guess I was guilty of clutter.
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08-14-2009 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rounding4Rent
don't need it man, I make my money playing live - and I am probably a bigger douche than you are.
Fixed your post.

Last edited by Arouet; 08-14-2009 at 06:57 PM. Reason: Mods: hope this doesn't break any rules, but if that post doesn't deserve this response...
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08-14-2009 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ben6killer
Their voting in D.C. today on regulating online poker, maybe we'll get a new site thats not rigged.
What's the bill number of whatever they're voting on?
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08-14-2009 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Fixed your post.

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you scraight, dog.
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08-14-2009 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown
So I am just wondering how many samples like these do you guys need to see to at think that their might be something wrong at Pstars? I have more, I have abreviated these so that I dont bombard you guys with a ton of info. I can email anyone who wants to see more once I get feedback that this person is trusted.
As spade mentioned, you're not even that big a favorite on these hands when the money went in. Hands like this will be a regular occurrence.

I also see a problem with how you approach the question, asking how many samples like those you need to think something might be wrong. The reality is, the longer you play, the potential # of samples like that will be infinite. It's not like you're going to play and play and play and then one day all of a sudden they'll stop happening.

A more appropriate angle is to look at ALL hands in which you get all in and then calculate your equity, looking at the % of times you hold up compared to expectation. It seems like you're completely ignoring the hands you do win and only showing the losses, which of course makes for a completely biased sample.

The big problem most of the conspiracy theorists have is that they can only focus on the beats, causing an extremely skewed view of what is "fair". If you play every day more than just a small number of hands, you're going to take beats EVERY DAY. This is especially true in tournaments where the blinds eventually force the action and cause people to get all in with mediocre holdings far more often.
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08-14-2009 , 08:44 PM
I've noted several times in this thread that there seems to be a higher proportion of tournament players than cash game players among the rigtards. The reason for this, I'm sure, is that a bad beat can have a much more devastating effect during a tournament (being knocked out) than during a cash game (reload).
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08-14-2009 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
I've noted several times in this thread that there seems to be a higher proportion of tournament players than cash game players among the rigtards. The reason for this, I'm sure, is that a bad beat can have a much more devastating effect during a tournament (being knocked out) than during a cash game (reload).

Finally a comment worth reading +1 Someone actually using their brain. I know, for some, that can really hurt
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08-14-2009 , 08:51 PM
Most posts in this thread..

[x] guys are bored

[x] boosting post count

[x] like to argue about dumb pointless subjects

[ ] actually amount to something useful
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08-14-2009 , 10:12 PM
It's a miracle people still play these bogus sites.

Sportbook Poker - Omaha Hi-Low

A2TT (Hero) vs A237- He raises pot- I call
Flop- J58 - He checks - I bet all in - He calls
Turn- 7
River- A

First playable hand of the day, He has a 6% chance to scoop, and of course hits his runners.
GG rigged internet pokers. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. They are in full slash and burn mode since the Gov't took their money back in June.
It's beyond ridiculous that people can still defend these crooked sites.
Maybe the big 2 are more legit but don't waste your time and money on the smaller ones.
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08-14-2009 , 10:34 PM
Bucket you are a true idiot. I see you've taken over K13's style of just posting single hands that mean nothing.
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08-15-2009 , 01:01 AM
This made me a little uneasy, can someone please clarify what the "Gambling Supervision commission" is? I took this right from the link that Josem posted to PS's website.

"The Gambling Supervision Commission is an independent corporate body initially established in 1962 and consists of a Chairman and four members. ...the Commission is also charged with the regulation of all online gambling activities..."

Maybe i didn't read or understand this correctly, but is this saying that the integrity of the worlds largest poker site is supervised by only 5 people??
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08-15-2009 , 01:10 AM
Please change poll question to:

Is pokerstars rigged?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

It's not fair to lump the other sites in with them
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08-15-2009 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTruthSpeaks
Please change poll question to:

Is pokerstars rigged?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[x] Probably not
FYP
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08-15-2009 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokey_The_Bear
Maybe i didn't read or understand this correctly, but is this saying that the integrity of the worlds largest poker site is supervised by only 5 people??
This post is actually up there with some of the best of the idiotic posts in this thread.

Have you no idea of the meaning of 'hierarchy'?
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