Believe is irrelevant, since your posts look like an ad for the movie "rigturds from bizarro-world"

One of the best and most accurate posts in a long time.

Confirmation above. When this "shill"/moron has something bad to say about it, you KNOW its right!

Confirmation above:

Poker can turn you into a raging madman.

I see you didn't actually read my previous posts or else didn't understand them.

I'm beginning to doubt you guys even work for the card rooms, given your stated knowledge. Where do such assertions come from, your morning bowel movements?

I have more than passable knowledge of statistics sir. It's become apparent I also know significantly more than you do about the validation processes and "independent" internal audits the major card rooms carry out.

Under both SPVs, the micro scale is not considered. It's much too inconvenient to include the extra X million player variables in any analysis. As a genius you already knew that simultaneously considering more than around 8 dynamic variables will cause most standard statistical models to break down.

You also know there are minimum thresholds for 99% confidence intervals, probability distributions and standard deviations. If one were to take my AA vs AK example, I personally would require around 4000 replica scenarios to reach the level of clarity I am seeking. From a macro perspective, there may be 4000 such matchups per day (or whatever period) over an entire site. When independent audits take place, it is these macro factors which provide the benchmark. This would be entirely reasonable in most cases but not when applied to poker, when individual actors can have disproportionate and statistically significant impacts on independent variables (e.g. the prize pools).

SO, no analysis has ever been carried out for singular players vs the field on a macro scale. I must talk to your boss more than you do because he told me his staff don't even have access to the analytical tools required to carry out such a task. All they can do is analyze samples based on seriously restricted variables, such as a very limited analysis of holdem cash games. PokerTracker, HoldemManager etc produce reports many times more detailed than staff ever could, according to the staff themselves. There is zero or even less analysis available for stud and TD, other than ad-hoc by the most senior staff, who also carry out all other sensitive analyses.

Regulators verified the source code and the RNG of card rooms, off-line, according to macro analyses. If you consider the sources of entropy for e.g. stars RNG, the laws that make the photon reflection thing certifiable can only be observed on a macro scale, same for player entropy. Groups of micro observations are entirely meaningless without the macro context.

Thus individual players, even those with extensive histories, aren't really relevant. It would take a minimum of 10 million hands to get a base-line from a single player. This doesn't explain, however, the paltry studies referenced by the poker sites themselves, as 150K hands is apparently plenty for them to declare, "everything is random here". Then again, perhaps they can't find any larger random samples

Which one are you again, Aramis or Porthos?

Musketeers obviously aren't big on proof reading. No such claims were made

very well put. stupid shills. maybe the poker sites should pay for these shills to go back to school so they can at least pretend better to know what they are talking about.

the more these shills deny deny deny the more they get caught up in their own web of lies and logic

in advance maybe i should just call myself right now a "******, rigtard, bad player, lunatic, crazy, stupid, poor, uneducated, pathetic" or one of so many other predictable insults. feel better? wheww i do- its so much more insulting to me when i call myself names than when strangers who r paid to bully me do

to anybody who might not believe such shills are paid by the poker sites to refute any claim of rigged to calm down any potential panic... shills being paid users with thousands + posts on here who continually post mostly insults and arguments related to a few small select topics- (rigged in some way) why would somebody who has so much intelligience to clearly and repeatedly claim its not rigged spend so much time obsessing over this thread and similar claims so often usually on a daily basis? whats their motivation? they obviously have experience showing them online poker isnt rigged so shouldnt they be using that time to win lots of money since they are apparantly good players and chalk up strangers saying its rigged to being bad players.

maybe these shills havent played enough online with their own money to have any bad experiences whatsoever? if they are allowed to do so. hell who knows they might even be babysat with an unknown lucky bonus unbeknownst to them which makes them feel so good like they are the best mack daddy poker players online and gives them an experience of it doesnt matter if its rigged or not because im winning enough money not to care or pay attention.

the people who r so passionate about posting and debating that poker online is rigged in some way have far more believable motivation to keep at it then those same old paid shills w thousands of posts do. (aside from their paychecks) the riggies r the ones who've experienced something so out of the ordinary that was enough to drive a passion for them to try to draw some attention to what they feel may be going on.

most normal people who dont believe its rigged wouldnt get caught up trying to debate or change the mind of a random riggie through this forum or another and even less would spend so much time obsessing over these threads and getting so much joy and excitement repeatedly publicly putting others down who feel it may be rigged. once somebody's mind is made up its rigged or shady in some way its very hard to pull them back from it.

so let me guess these nonriggies that argue so often and linger waiting for a riggie statement (obviously they check the forum quite often and regularly) are trying to convert a few riggies and bring them back to the player pools because they need more fish or for some other noble cause of protecting online poker by keeping more people playing regularly?

if you were trying to convince somebody its not rigged ok debate them make your points but do you really think constantly calling them stupid and verbally abusing them is going to help you win the arguement? makes you look like fools with a much different agenda. i think you put so many own so quickly and repeatedly who make any claim of believing its rigged just to chase them off the forum so they WONT POST ANYMORE ABOUT ANY OF IT and just give up trying. thats what i would tell my shills to do. make them go away. dont try to change their minds just make them stop posting those claims

The kinda hands played out at my expense day after day. This one was worth $5K at least in equity.

PokerStars Hand #13456789rigged: Tournament #12skipafew, $50.00+$5.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (1200/2400) - 2015/05/03 19:19:41 ET
Table '12skipafew 29' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: donkey (22854 in chips)
Seat 2: idiot (24681 in chips)
Seat 4: reg (17001 in chips)
Seat 5: rigged (91762 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero (86443 in chips)
Seat 7: muppet (56021 in chips)
Seat 8: fish (58857 in chips)
Seat 9: newbie (44392 in chips)
donkey: posts the ante 300
idiot: posts the ante 300
reg: posts the ante 300
rigged: posts the ante 300
Hero: posts the ante 300
muppet: posts the ante 300
fish: posts the ante 300
newbie: posts the ante 300
donkey: posts small blind 1200
idiot: posts big blind 2400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kd Kh]
reg: folds
rigged: raises 2400 to 4800
Hero: calls 4800
muppet: folds
fish: folds
newbie: folds
donkey: folds
idiot: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh Qc Kc]
rigged: checks
Hero: checks
*** TURN *** [Qh Qc Kc] [Ad]
rigged: bets 4800
Hero: calls 4800
*** RIVER *** [Qh Qc Kc Ad] [4d]
rigged: bets 16800
Hero: raises 59743 to 78943 and is all-in
rigged: calls 59743
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Kd Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
rigged: shows [Qd Qs] (four of a kind, Queens)
rigged collected 178586 from pot
Hero finished the tournament in 38th place and received $200.19.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 178586 | Rake 0
Board [Qh Qc Kc Ad 4d]
Seat 1: donkey (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: idiot (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: reg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: rigged showed [Qd Qs] and won (178586) with four of a kind, Queens
Seat 6: Hero showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a full house, Kings full of Queens
Seat 7: muppet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: fish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: newbie (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

TY

Haha so true

I get paid every time I post. That is something I happily agree with whenever a riggie suggests it, while I also point out that you get paid $0 per post. Cool, isn't it?

Anyway, to try to help out those of you who remain unpaid in this world what I have done is offer a reward to any riggie that can definitively prove the RnG is rigged at any of the major sites.

I have even provided you with a healthy list of different riggies and their theories for you to consider, and usually my reward is $5,000, but here is what I will do to encourage some riggie teamwork:

You and the poster before you (who claims to have skills with statistics and who posts fictional hands) should team up and form a think tank of sorts, and decide on a specific rig you both agree that you "see" and then once you have all four eyes knowing it exists the rest should be easy in terms of proving it mathematically. Your partner can do some of the math work, while you hurl waves of moody depression at everyone to keep them busy.



In the end, you guys pocket $10,000, which is $10,000 more than the two of you combined get paid to post here. I am all about helping people like you out, so good luck with this new venture.


All the best.


P.S. To the poster above this - you did not even get paid for posting that made up hand history, but check this baby out!


PokerStars Hand #1rigged?3627: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50 USD) - 2015/06/02 16:03:09 ET
Table 'Isberga' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($5252.40 in chips)
Seat 2: other ($4506.50 in chips)
Seat 3: another ($3218.08 in chips)
Seat 4: yet another ($4743.23 in chips)
Seat 5: sidekick ($3924.32 in chips)
Seat 6: Mean Old Villain ($7873.18 in chips)
Mean Old Villain: posts small blind $25
Hero: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ad Ah]
other: folds
another: folds
yet another: folds
sidekick: folds
Mean Old Villain: calls $25
Hero: raises $1025 to $1050
Mean Old Villain: calls $1025
*** FLOP *** [Td 9d 6h]
Mean Old Villain: checks
Hero: bets $3178.20
Mean Old Villain: calls $3178.20
*** TURN *** [Td 9d 6h] [7h]
Mean Old Villain: checks
Hero: checks
*** RIVER *** [Td 9d 6h 7h] [2d]
Mean Old Villain: bets $72.04
Hero: calls $72.04
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mean Old Villain: shows [3d 8s] (a straight, Six to Ten)
Hero: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces)

shows how smart you are i and many others wouldve put that hand history into a second post to get paid extra for it. moron. also shows you have relatively no life in which you sit around on your comp watching this forum for x hours every day in edition to the job you may or may not have. not just a bastard but prolly a fat bastard too.

just goes to show how far those poker sites would go to protect against claims of rigging. that is by paying people to post on a public forum when there are plenty of people every day who post on the forum for free. so its not like their motivation is to keep this forum alive because its slowing down and somehow bad for poker.

why would a gambling company that makes so much money every year go to such great lengths to discourage any claims of rigged? its the gambling industry - you're always going to have people claiming some crazy **** of its rigged.

if the claims were so unbelievable they would just figure something like " its so farfetched nobody in their right mind could believe it" why r they so scared about their images to warrant hiring bullies to insult those who do make such claims hopefully to chase them away. cuz to me and many others who read this thread thats what it seems. it doesnt seem like its a few die hard nonriggies (non paid posters) always refuting the riggies. they dont even go as far as the riggies do (showing enough know how and intelligence) to prove those claims are ridiculous.

if you ask me the companies are afraid of something aside from bad pr infecting some potential clients. sure the poker companies have interests to protect and pr to maintain but in a world with forums and open discussions available to the masses, why panic and go to such great lengths to try to quell a debate in which regardless whatever you do isnt going away?

to me such lengths r the actions of people who have something to hide in some way shape or form. thats not the actions of "oh no what if other nonplayers or players read it and decide not to play". the only players reading such things that would decide not to play from reading such things r those who are already suspicious, and/or arent experiencing winning. and some may not stop playing maybe cuz they are in a desperate dream world.

so i sound depressed and grim do i? guess what most of the population on this planet is in some way shape or form. how do you sound? like an *******, bully, bigot, stubborn, etc etc. ill take sounding "depressed" over any of those things anyday, guess what i can get a woman anyday being depressed but not with your list. at least i have an open mind about what is possible and what isnt.

The mods here merge posts like that, and if you were ever paid for actual work you would understand that tactics like that rarely work long term. This is why people like your continue to be unpaid in your life. I certainly agree that people like you genuinely believe that to be an example of an "expert" angle shoot...

You sure seem depressed and angry in general. You even chose a whiny user name. In the end, all of that is your problem, and the only reason I am replying is to get paid for this post, as I am indifferent to your general existence otherwise.

I already earned my pay, so no need to read, nor reply to your whatever whiny, depressing manifesto of the moment you chose to hurl upon the world, however if you do get together with that other guy, then perhaps you can collect the reward! If nothing else, have him post a better fake of a HH.

Congratulations on the $0 you made with your post. I made more with this reply, just as you believe. Some people have value. Others have none. Welcome to the world.

All the best.

Ohhhhh, you're the laser beam rigtard, aren't you?

Go see a doctor already, your posts make me cringe.

Trolling on such a level is a sign of mental illness. Seek help, it's not too late.



Posting here a few times a day is not exactly obsessing (unlike your obsession with the invisible undetectable super rig)

I play poker, i get a lot of bad beats. Difference is, I'm not a results oriented spewtard who starts to cry when he loses with aces. Poker is not for everyone and it looks like it's not for you.

lol, it's getting better and better. Try drawing attention with some hard proof, might work.


Said it many times before: If you claim, we're here to convince you it's not rigged, you are basically saying that your kind is so extremely stupid and naive that all it takes is some posts in a forum.

If you weren't so lazy, I would suggest you read the whole thread from the beginning and show us only one example where "we" converted a rigtard.

Spoiler Alert: There is none. Rigtards just keep whining and claiming and then some whining again. Not a single one who said: "Ok, I stopped being a rigtard because of the shills"

You think they would pay all these people for years with an alltime 0% success rate? Dream on.

Let me guess, that was a "hypothetical example" just to illustrate your point?

I mean, why would you use an example of something that actually happens to you and has convinced you of rigging (let alone prove it with your hand histories) when you can just ramble on and on in a way that makes it difficult to find out / prove if you're lying / mistaken.

yeah, perhaps it would have been merged; but this is still funny. :-)

Mock Exam Question:

Monteroy = $10000, show your working:-



Conclusion: LOL


Examiner's remarks: Student Mocks subject perfectly. Full credit.




Blank Page




If you have time and for extra credit, respondet per iactantiam:

Those who believe Monteroy either has or would take $5000 of his own money to a rigged cash table:

[ ] everyone
[X] no-one

Those who aren't in the least bit shocked by my hand history:

[ ] everyone
[X] anyone who has ever played on-line poker


Examiner's final remarks: egregia cum laude

they do?!!?? see they even rigged it against you to cap your earnings!!! lol you just admitted to collusion to try to scam them into paying you for more posts. teasing

btw i never made such claims of they are using this method or that method. lol i stated some ways in which they could do it but left it open to interpretation. when did i whine about getting AA cracked or anything like that?

you guys should at least do your homework better. i like how some themed statements you dont even try to refute. whats the matter can't come up with anything.

but seriously why r you guys so angry all the time and take rigtards claims so personally? if we are so stupid and such bad players shouldnt you be trying to keep us playing so you could take all of our money over and over again?

guess what tens of thousands of players claiming publicly or amongst themselves that something fishing is going on is more than your "bad player/ bad luck excuse" can explain. where is your hard proof?

i never claimed your here to convince or others its not rigged. it does seem like your here to bully anybody who might say its even possible for it to be rigged into leaving and not posting.

it seems like you're here to suppress any legitimate conversations of whether its rigged from even being able to take place. LET ALONE AN INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION

you should be more concerned about the US government saying these sites are funding terrorists and some bs like that and somehow shaking things up so much it jeopardizes the only thing that makes you happy.- than being concerned about a few rigtards crazy conspiracy theories about how its rigged. all that money theyd confiscate potentially means more to the US government than the potential tax revenue complete legalization in the US might bring. it has been disappointing so far. they're just itching to get their cut. hell they probably still holding a grudge against certain companies and affiliations because they got off so easy. you think they illegalized it on black friday to protect a few citizens from getting scammed potentially? it was all about getting their cut in tax dollars and all about the money laundering and undeclared tax money they were missing out on. maybe the US government should investigate further. maybe something crooked is going on and the poker sites are knowingly or unknowingly funding IS and other terrorist groups. maybe they're shadily funding russia or china or some other country the US government would probably love to take a piece out of at least financially.

now did i at least get the record for craziest stupidest rigtard yet? did i make the top 5 at least?

i hope the nsa's filters picked up on that and it gave somebody a good idea. i'd **** my britches if something anywhere near like the above went down.

He knows how to copy paste latin words, he must be smarter than us. Better believe the bs he claims from now on.

lol, sure. what else could you do since you don't know what you're talking about.

Everytime?
Yeah, you're on to something. Keep it up.

It's a free world.We do what we want to do, the tantrums of the mentally ill are not important to us. Tell me again who forces you to post here?

If this were true, it would only prove that there are tens of thousands of idiots out there.

Yes, you did, better re-read your own posts when the drugs wear off.

with you? Impossible


your self-flagellation is even more cringeworthy than the ramblings of the laser beam rigtard.

lolwut

Hey poorme,

I used to get paid to post here but I quit. It's hard to sell your soul day after day. If you have any questions about how it works feel free to ask.

Best,
TiltedDonkey

Dude, I gave you a huge list of riggie theories! How is that suppressing anything. If you had anything entertaining I would add it to the list as well for other riggies to enjoy. I am trying to help build the riggie culture for people like you! I even offer to pay you for proof of a rig.


You do like manifestos, I will give you that. I will check to see if there is a manifesto riggie on the list, if not I will toss the last two you spewed so that other riggies can enjoy that at their leisure. Odds are they will say doing so means I am trying to suppress them...



My hand was just as real as your hand


Your hand was fake as well, so I doubt anyone was surprised that you made one up. Riggies make stuff up all the time. The Hot 55 finishes around the time of the hand you posted, and the big 55 may have around that many people around that time, but usually it is later (tonight there are still 35 left an hour after the time stamp on your hand).

Also, the prize you listed for 38th did not match any of the $55 tournaments on Stars run the past couple of days. It was $237.36 for the Big 55 yesterday for instance, and 218.59 for the Hot 55, and the nightly 55 typically only has 36 or 45 prizes, and when it is 45 prizes 38th is around $80-90.

You posted a fake hand history. Noone is surprised. Better luck in the freerolls.

All the best.


P.S. Already is a manifesto riggie, and this guy really knows what a manifesto is about. poorme will have a bit of a manifesto inferiority complex compared to...

Manifesto Riggie:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=64510

HOLY FALSE CONSENSUS BATMAN!

You should read that link carefully.

and how many did you think there are? it took my ******ed post to get you to realize that? the worlds population is how big? not asking so much

tens of thousands isnt that far fetched- youve already got nearly 3 thousand from the poll on this site. how long has that been running? i guess everybody who plays poker online knows about this forum and from how many countries is online poker legal and played in?

In order:

48

15

162

342

Sigh, if ten thousand braindead idiots believe the moon is made of green cheese, what will happen to the moon?

Read the text which newoldguy linked, I know it has a lot of words and rigtards have a low to non-existant attention span but your bs posts are a Class A example of false concensus.

Also, HERE is a representative petition, it clearly shows there are only 11 rigturds on the whole planet.

Back at ya and TY

Not quite sure what a laser beam rigtard is but if it turns you on, I'll be whatever you want me to be.

PS: I have a musketeers cosplay outfit, PM to flirt

On which I see 4 comments. One from a "Rig Astley" and 3 from normal human beings who strongly disagree with Rig Astley.


"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

I am security conscious. Every identifiable marker was altered in that hand, including reference #s and time stamps.

Anyway, after I eliminated the impossible (that on-line results are the consequence of a true RNG), it became apparent I was being cheated and that the games are rigged.

Your manifesto guy makes many interesting points, points that have been repeated by many different people over a considerable period.

Is it possible such eloquent posters are mentally deficient? No. Is it possible to share dreams or thoughts? No. Is it possible to share identical psychosis without genetic links? No. Is it possible the card rooms rigged their deal to cheat the posters in this thread? YES.

See? It's elementary dear d'Artagnan.

PS: I also have a Sherlock Holmes cosplay, PM for the chance to suck Sherlock's pipe

I see, so you changed every detail about the single hand, yet you posted it in the belief that it should be accepted as valid and as proof of something. Interesting!

Then quit if you cannot work out a way to beat a rigged system where you can identify the rig, or earn a $10,000 reward by posting verifiable proof. Hate to tell you, but a single hand history that had "every detail" changed by you does not quite qualify as proof .

Not really shocked that one paranoid dude sounds like other paranoid dudes. I never actually read his crazy, but you should feel free to contact him and share your thoughts with him.


When you are finished chatting with manifesto riggies you can search the internet for those interested in your fetish as well.

Also, feel free to post another completely altered hand history as proof of something. That was actually mildly amusing, especially compared to Mr Moody riggie. Maybe encourage him to try that pipe sucking thing or something... Better luck in your freerolls.

All the best.

I have discovered suspicious data on WSOP.com.

I played one hand, and I was dealt 7s6c. The expected number of times that I should get 7s6c in a sample of 1 hand is 0.000754 and the standard deviation is sqrt(.000754*(1-.000754)) = .0274.

Thus, my result of 1 is 36 standard deviations away.

EXPLAIN THAT SHILLS!

I was dealt 7c6s so it balanced out.