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Old 08-06-2009, 06:24 PM   #7501
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Now it'd be even more interesting if the Bad beat jackpot their got hit today...?
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Old 08-06-2009, 06:28 PM   #7502
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Yup, just some more examples of hands used to boast the rake. They made a killing off all those monster hands, just look at all the bets.
How did these hands "boast the rake" in these SNGs?

Could we perhaps be told what the buy in was for the tounament so that sync can estimate the "killing" made from this international fraud?

Oh, and well played in those hands by the way everybody. Good stuff.
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:09 PM   #7503
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How did these hands "boast the rake" in these SNGs?
Sarcasm.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:11 AM   #7504
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Maybe the world forgot that America has saved everyone from Hitler to Communism.
What Communism threat?
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Old 08-07-2009, 04:48 AM   #7505
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Sportsbook poker is rigged without question.

AJT5 vs. A245

Flop - T65 - I checkraise him Pot - he calls
Turn - 2 - I bet all in - he calls
River - 2 - Running 2's? = GG rigged sportsbook

And this was not hi-low, it was some clown who was up 4 buyins playing like absolute **** and getting rewarded as is typical of these shady sites.
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Old 08-07-2009, 05:00 AM   #7506
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First of all, lol

Secondly, it's funny that you appear to really believe that yet still keep playing.

Finally, there was probably a flush draw and in order to make a biased post you just conveniently left that out.
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Old 08-07-2009, 05:12 AM   #7507
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I would have much more respect for BucketFoot if his name ended in "head" rather than "Foot". Regardless of what he posted.



But since it's BucketFoot, he gets zero respect.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:10 AM   #7508
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DMoogle, do u know that Buckethead was raised into chicken coop by chickens?
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:28 AM   #7509
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Sportsbook poker is rigged without question.

AJT5 vs. A245

Flop - T65 - I checkraise him Pot - he calls
Turn - 2 - I bet all in - he calls
River - 2 - Running 2's? = GG rigged sportsbook

And this was not hi-low, it was some clown who was up 4 buyins playing like absolute **** and getting rewarded as is typical of these shady sites.
I haven't played a lot of Omaha, but is TPTK on a semi coodinated board conisdered a hand strong enough to checkraise a calling station?
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:39 AM   #7510
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Sportsbook poker is rigged without question.

AJT5 vs. A245

Flop - T65 - I checkraise him Pot - he calls
Turn - 2 - I bet all in - he calls
River - 2 - Running 2's? = GG rigged sportsbook

And this was not hi-low, it was some clown who was up 4 buyins playing like absolute **** and getting rewarded as is typical of these shady sites.
It's almost a definition for educationally sub-normal, isn't it.

Believing a site is rigged against you but continuing to play there.

And the degree of your problem is only highlighted by the fact that you continue to do so even after the cretinuousness of your behaviour has been clearly pointed out to you.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:45 AM   #7511
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First of all, lol

Secondly, it's funny that you appear to really believe that yet still keep playing.

Finally, there was probably a flush draw and in order to make a biased post you just conveniently left that out.
Even with no flush draw for either player that is still 63/37 spot. If opponent had a flush draw (I agree more likely) it was around 55/45. It could even be 50/50 if opponent also had another backdoor flush draw.

Lot of players in Omaha have no idea what the odds are of a situation so they assume something extreme took place when at times they were even the underdog or barely a favorite.

The fact that bucket has no concept of the situation is not too much of a shock, but I am sort of disappointed with the latest trend in rigged beliefs that require the sites to have hands go in a crazy way that would only attract attention.

Wow, runner runner 2s that is crazy. Why not just have a 3 hit instead and reduce the drama. Royal flushes and quads galore in a short run? Yeah, that is certainly a rigged approach that would never attract attention.

It's as if the average riggedologist IQ dropped 50 points in the past month.
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Old 08-07-2009, 10:40 AM   #7512
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It's as if the average riggedologist IQ dropped 50 points in the past month.
Looking at Sooperfish, tk1133 and Mears, together with their gimmick accounts I'm dubious about that as, to the best of my knowledge, you cannot have a -ve IQ.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:35 AM   #7513
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It's as if the average riggedologist IQ dropped 50 points in the past month.
Yeah, but mixed into that there were a bunch of posts from people who actually looked like there were going to do some more indepth hand analysis, so there is hope.

QPW you ever finish that analysis of those hands that were sent to you? We'd be interested in the results.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:35 AM   #7514
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Looking at Sooperfish, tk1133 and Mears, together with their gimmick accounts I'm dubious about that as, to the best of my knowledge, you cannot have a -ve IQ.
Oo I didn't expect to find intelligent thinking going on in this thread
I rather think you can have negative, as IQ is based on a standard normal distribution, just arbitrarily centred around 100. Values can, theoretically, be from +/- infinity. And with the pretty large sample size of posters here, together with some Bayesian inference on the stupidity of riggedologists' posts, I think there's every possibility they might have -ve IQs!
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:51 AM   #7515
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QPW you ever finish that analysis of those hands that were sent to you? We'd be interested in the results.
I did but as the program was run on HH's that I have no way of verifying were genuine (not that I doubt they were, I just can't prove it) there does not seem a lot of point in presenting them here.

The poster who provided them has the results, of course.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:54 AM   #7516
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Oo I didn't expect to find intelligent thinking going on in this thread
I rather think you can have negative, as IQ is based on a standard normal distribution, just arbitrarily centred around 100. Values can, theoretically, be from +/- infinity. And with the pretty large sample size of posters here, together with some Bayesian inference on the stupidity of riggedologists' posts, I think there's every possibility they might have -ve IQs!
Fair point but I don't think they can actually measure IQ's that low since below a certain point there's no real communication possible. I could be wrong, though.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:02 PM   #7517
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I did but as the program was run on HH's that I have no way of verifying were genuine (not that I doubt they were, I just can't prove it) there does not seem a lot of point in presenting them here.

The poster who provided them has the results, of course.
Well, it's his property, hopefully he will be willing to share.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:42 PM   #7518
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Its more like tweaked than rigged, whatever you want to call it.

Business would go down and down if it was 100% legit, how many fish are going to be left after 5, 10, 25 years?
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:12 PM   #7519
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Its more like tweaked than rigged, whatever you want to call it.

Business would go down and down if it was 100% legit, how many fish are going to be left after 5, 10, 25 years?
According to my calculations:

5 yrs: 2,943,233 fish left
10 yrs: 1,723,002 fish left
25 yrs: 22,384,045 (due to the Great Poker Resurrection of 2017, LDO)
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:17 PM   #7520
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According to my calculations:

5 yrs: 2,943,233 fish left
10 yrs: 1,723,002 fish left
24 yrs:Chris Moneymaker wins 2016 WSOP
25 yrs: 22,384,045 (due to the Great Poker Resurrection of 2017, LDO)
FYP
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:31 PM   #7521
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According to my calculations:

5 yrs: 2,943,233 fish left
10 yrs: 1,723,002 fish left
25 yrs: 22,384,045 (due to the Great Poker Resurrection of 2017, LDO)
I get 1,723,004 at 10 years.
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:55 PM   #7522
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Its more like tweaked than rigged, whatever you want to call it.

Business would go down and down if it was 100% legit, how many fish are going to be left after 5, 10, 25 years?
oooh! Tweakedologists! These are people who believe that there is a small amount manipulation. Just enough to fly under the radar and not be detected?

I would like to change my job title from Riggedologist to Tweakedologist so that I dont have to do the collection of data and research on a 100,000 + hands.
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:25 PM   #7523
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Hmmmm, 'tweaktards'.
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:26 PM   #7524
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Business would go down and down if it was 100% legit, how many fish are going to be left after 5, 10, 25 years?
how do B&M Cardrooms do it then?
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:28 PM   #7525
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how do B&M Cardrooms do it then?
Mark, since B+M cardrooms have not yet been around for 25 years, its clearly too soon to tell. Just wait...
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