http://www.ask.com/bar?q=mike+smith+...s-big-hands%2F this is where it is and i think the guys name is bob smith not mike smith

This is exactly the type of conclusions I came to through my own research on Pokerstars.

I'm not sure about the higher level tournaments but the lower levels around
$1.10 are a joke.

Before casting this aside, do yourself an unbiased favour and sit and watch a $1.10 or $2.20 MTT on stars and then wet yourself at the following:

a) Watch for small stack pre-flop all-ins and how many times they lose to
the big stack. Some of the beats are just comical.

b) Watch for how many hands there are players with a large piece of the flop.

Trips v trips, full house v better full house.

Further to the pre-flop all-ins situation my running total from 52 tournaments was 5 wins from 16 pf all-ins with a better hand. 3 wins from 18 with the worse hand.

my can't lose roulette system is $51, but it comes with a HUD. however, I would consider taking $50 if you pay me in cheese.

Pokerz is rigged

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): t1500 M = 33.33
UTG: t1430 M = 31.78
UTG+1: t1530 M = 34
UTG+2: t1400 M = 31.11
MP1: t1760 M = 39.11
MP2: t1700 M = 37.78
CO: t1500 M = 33.33
BTN: t1200 M = 26.67
SB: t1480 M = 32.89

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with 3 K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, UTG+2 calls t30, 1 fold, MP2 calls t30, CO calls t30, 1 fold, SB calls t15, Hero checks

Flop: (t180) 5 4 2 (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t120, UTG+1 raises to t1500 all in, UTG+2 calls t1370 all in, MP2 folds, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls t1350 all in

Turn: (t4490) 8 (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: (t4490) 6 (3 players - 3 are all in)

Final Pot: t4490
Hero shows 3 K (a flush, King high)
UTG+1 shows T 8 (a flush, Ten high)
UTG+2 shows 7 Q (a flush, Queen high)
Hero wins t200
Hero wins t4290

It would appear, robski, that I owe you an apology. This is not a stupidity of your own creation. It is a stupidity that you found on the Interweb and didn't have the common sense not to repeat. Consider yourself apologised.

lol

Everything this guy says is absoluety true, however I do not believe he is a programmer for the site, but rather just a player that knows whats going on. Full tilt is definately rigged along with all the other sites

lol will you guys please stop this. i am on my last pair of clean underwear and you are going to make me pee myself because i am laughing so hard.

Good point. I now officially believe it is rigged because you said so. Thank you.

Was it this Mike Smith?

only thing in here worth a read is GMs responses. good to see ya back calling it like you see em. Hope you are felling better irl.

The perfect scam, rigging themselves a few extra dimes. No one would ever suspect it! Kind of tough to be unbiased when specifically looking for certain situations. 52 tournaments isn't exactly a huge sample. What's odd is somehow you were only all in 34 times in 52 tournaments. You wouldn't happen to know what happened to you in the other 18, would you?

I get the best cheese in the world from the Amish at the local Farmer's Market. Strange little people, the Amish. But they can do two things - build barns and make cheese. Make it three things - they also make tons of little Amish. When you're better I'll send you Amish cheese. But keep your roulette - I get hypnotized by the little ball going round and round.

this is prob the same guy who got banned for making the stuff up about cake poker last night

lol omg how has this not been merged yet

How do you think they got so big? (full tilt and poker stars)
the biggest factor in how much money a poker site makes is its customer base
and its not hard to rig the software to retain the maximum amount of players by tracking accounts. then u get some celeberties to endorse your site throw in a few robots. this is their business model. who cares if its exposed, make as much money now because the goverment can decide to shut u down anyday unless online poker is legalized. if it ever is ,which won't be anytime soon the publicly traded companies and companies that did not break U.S. laws while online poker was illegal will easily get licenses and pokerstars and full tilt might find themselves out in the cold.

Amen and for those of you with the motive BS, of course they have motive. They hide offshore, can't be touched by anyone and can manipulate the computer to do whatever it wants. So your going to tell me they are not going fix it so they make more money? Give me a break. It's easy to see the game is far different from live play and it has nothing to do with how many hands you see that is such BS

The xenophobic racism in this thread that implies that anyone who is not American is a thief is pretty offensive.

Even more amazing given the recent track record of American regulation.

I apologize oldyoda, it appears that you think your smarter than you really are cause you talk like and ******* from marthas vineyard or something.

When you have a business that can be located literally anywhere in the world, how can you blame a company for choosing jurisdictions that offer incentives, low taxes, etc.

The question is not whether they would do something dishonest if they thought it was undetectable, the question is why they would defraud the players in a way that is bound to be detected?

Rigging the deal is at best a long term profit type scam. We're talking incremental increases that will only show a substantial benefit over time. Rigging the deal is not going to produce an immediate windfall that will let them make a sudden big score. The longer they rig, the higher the chance that it will be found out, especially given this thread which cannot be beyond the attention of every online site out there. We must assume that they are aware they are being watched.

So the real question is: why would they engage in a manner for cheating their customers which can only produce any decent return for them on a long term basis and that is bound to be discovered over time?

Epic first post, well done. For some reason I particularly enjoyed the phrase "throw in a few robots".

Philosophical Question: if a first post is from a gimmick account from an existing user who is clearly embarassed to post under their existing account, is it really a "first" post?

I also like the "theories" that the sites rig it specifically against Americans, so if it's an American and a German playing, the site will favor the German for whatever reason.

What kind of ****ed up link is this? Why on earth would you provide a link to a search engine result in the first place?

Edit: ok I found the real link you pasted later. So what does this mean to the people who say PS is rigged, but then they go to FTP and get a fair deal. Oh yeah, new player rigging. Dammit.

Also from a programming perspective, it's 100% obvious "Bob Smith" has no idea how to program a large system or how a rigged system would truly be developed. I don't want to list all the ways, lest they show up in the next fake "I programmed the site to be rigged" post somewhere, but for example:

There is just absolutely no conceivable way a computer program would screw up in this manner while "adjusting the shuffle". Think about it for a second. Ok, I'm adjusting the shuffle, but I'm not quite ready yet - better just give player A the same cards but with different suits. Computer programs just don't work that way. He's purposely keying on that memory trick where you notice the 1 time in 169 chances you get dealt the same cards back to back.