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04-22-2014 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
The SD will never fluctuate out of the norm.
I guess you read sentences with similar content like at least 5 times before, but I'll have another try, doubting that you will ever get it though:

EVERY systematic rig will result in a deviation that "fluctuates out of the norm" over time.

Is that so hard to understand?

Did you ever get the idea to either somehow get a clue about things you want to talk about or shut the **** up?

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The full rng needs to be audited
What is a "full rng"?

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to stop sites from having the ability to redistribute the dealings at will,
How does a RNG audit affect that alleged ability if it was real?

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or at least the "possibility" and this possibility seems extremely high
How is that? because you and BBED think so, but cannot find any evidence in your data? Wouldn't that mean the exact opposite?

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and probable.
Go ahead and prove it then.

Last edited by franxic; 04-22-2014 at 08:11 PM.
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04-22-2014 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by franxic
I guess you read sentences with similar content like at least 5 times before, but I'll have another try, doubting that you will ever get it though:

EVERY systematic rig will result in a deviation that "fluctuates out of the norm" over time.

Is that so hard to understand?

Did you ever get the idea to either somehow get a clue about things you want to talk about or shut the **** up?
Some of us actually play poker, not just stay years in this thread without even knowing or experiencing what we blindly defend. Keep up your angry gimmick
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04-22-2014 , 08:14 PM
I also play poker, and my database shows no evidence for a rig. Care to show anything that suggests otherwise?

Ah ok, you just talk, without having any facts. You believe something, and do not need any proof. Amen.
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04-22-2014 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
Some of us actually play poker, not just stay years in this thread without even knowing or experiencing what we blindly defend. Keep up your angry gimmick
Thanks for the multiple levels in this post. MMD.
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04-22-2014 , 11:51 PM
gotta love partypoker short stack curse, had AQ raised prelop, 1 caller with A9 flop
887, i bet pot size 700, he raises all in.. i call.. turn blank river 9. he covers mystack and i'm out!

knew he had nothing and yet get punish with a bull**** river knockout.. typical PP sending short stack out! pathetic!

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04-23-2014 , 05:22 AM
The sites can do nothing about that.

I just talked to God, and He confirmed that He cursed all of you riggies, "because He doesn't like whining bitches".

Cool guy dat..
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04-23-2014 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Chemango
knew he had nothing
Neither did you
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04-23-2014 , 10:24 PM
Clearly time well spent! You should all feel very proud of yourselves, the sheer volume of education and entertainment value to be had here.

This is undeniable proof of happy and full lives. The more time spent, the happier the individual, no doubt.

I'll stop in a week or three and I'm sure you'll have repeated the process. And good for you!

Confucius say, "it's the kicked dog that yelps."
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04-23-2014 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by voxelschmitten
Clearly time well spent! You should all feel very proud of yourselves, the sheer volume of education and entertainment value to be had here.

This is undeniable proof of happy and full lives. The more time spent, the happier the individual, no doubt.

I'll stop in a week or three and I'm sure you'll have repeated the process. And good for you!

Confucius say, "it's the kicked dog that yelps."
What?
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04-23-2014 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by voxelschmitten
Clearly time well spent! You should all feel very proud of yourselves, the sheer volume of education and entertainment value to be had here.

This is undeniable proof of happy and full lives. The more time spent, the happier the individual, no doubt.

I'll stop in a week or three and I'm sure you'll have repeated the process. And good for you!

Confucius say, "it's the kicked dog that yelps."
You signed up just to make this post?

The irony is lost on you it seems.
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04-24-2014 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
Neither did you
Last i check AQ is > A9, and i made the right read, and the river 9 comes out to knock out the short stack surprise surprise!

or are you just one of those idiots who play Arags and hope to get lucky like all the donks out there.
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04-24-2014 , 04:14 AM
What do you expect? That you'll win in that spot 100% of the time?
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04-24-2014 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by voxelschmitten
Clearly time well spent! You should all feel very proud of yourselves, the sheer volume of education and entertainment value to be had here.

This is undeniable proof of happy and full lives. The more time spent, the happier the individual, no doubt.

I'll stop in a week or three and I'm sure you'll have repeated the process. And good for you!

Confucius say, "it's the kicked dog that yelps."
Clearly you did not waste time when posting this becauce everyone is totally interested in your opionion

I wonder which rigtard's new account this is....

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04-24-2014 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Chemango

or are you just one of those idiots who play Arags and hope to get lucky like all the donks out there.
No I'm not, I'm one of those that know how to play a big ace when super short.
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04-24-2014 , 09:23 AM
Poker pro Matt Amen swears up and down that WPN is rigged. I tried to just laugh it off, but after months of brutal 2 outers and running flushes and straights I do believe Matt may be right. I'm not talking about aa getting cracked either. I'm talking about broadway getting destroyed, sets to runner runner over and over and over. Anybody else who plays on wpn care to chime in? I'm not a donkey i'm getting it in with aa qq or made hands and just getting them crushed for 50/20 and so on buy ins on a regular basis. Why would Dusty's best friend lay claim to something without basis. I've gone on plenty of ds on other sites as i play volume but not like this place. Maybe it's time to move on to another site.
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04-24-2014 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
No I'm not, I'm one of those that know how to play a big ace when super short.
Ouch. You got there before me.
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04-24-2014 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by slickyis30
I'm not a donkey
Sure.
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04-24-2014 , 05:28 PM
I think I am the poster boy for who the site would rig against. I am a reg, 4 to 5 hours a day playing small stakes rush. I haven't deposited in over 6 years and until last October made regular cash outs. I have had some god awful downswings and am currently in the worst I have ever experienced. I am 48 buy ins under EV in 250,000 hands and and over 60 buy ins down altogether. I have a coach, have been regularly staked and study the game as much as time will allow so I think it can be said that I'm not the regular run of the mill riggie that enters this thread. I would love to do a complete analysis of my database covering the last 6 months (500,000 hands) and think it might be useful to this thread. I have no idea where to start so I am asking politely if any non riggie is able to share the methods they used to determine their opinions.
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04-24-2014 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Yeah, but considering that about one hundred of your one hundred and sixty two posts since you joined this site have been about how every site you ever played on is cheating you with rigged RNGs, house robots, Jedi mind tricks, Chupacabras that have access to doom switches, voodoo, and any other imaginary reason you can invent for losing, no one really cares what you think regarding the presence of house players on Bovada. You probably dont even understand what a house player even is to be honest. Its just another thing you have heard of that you can cry about and scapegoat for your losses.
ya and your probably affiliated with the sites trying to shoe people away thinking that online poker is not rigged. It certainly is once you put the volume in. I do profit but its not way it should be. And the stats are defintely not correct AA is not winning 82% of the time or whatever it supposed to win when you hit all in. Its only winning around 65% of the time when both hand are all in pre flop. Thats definitely not the right percentage and thats over 3 million hands. THey add in the times you raise aa and everyone folds. I took that out and just did all in pre flops and its almost a coin flip. Thats not possible unless the rng is being tweaked. But ya there is house players. Wcg rider talks about it. So its not just me saying it.

I am just being honest and not afraid to say it. I am not affiliated with these sites so i give a honest answer. I want people to know poker is not right and it needs to be fixed. And to argue is just meaningless when its already been caught on absolute. Its already proven online poker sites have house players and cheat. And thats fact they were caught not by the site or security but by the players getting the hand history to do it. So it actually took players that were suspicious of online poker being a scam to figure it out and now the whole world knows its a scam. There is nothing you can say to change that. Its a pure fact they were caught cheating. The day they fix it and its a honest game I will be first one on here to say it too. I do try all the sites out and so far yes they are all scams one site rng works right but they have house players try to play you. but it makes sense there is no traffic they got to make money. THey got to eat. So i try avoid any scam i see and since using the strategy i made quite bit of money online.
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04-24-2014 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
Sure.
Borat would say "Not nice"
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04-24-2014 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ultimatecurse
AA is not winning 82% of the time or whatever it supposed to win when you hit all in. Its only winning around 65% of the time when both hand are all in pre flop.
I don't know why I'm even bothering to ask, but I don't suppose you could post, maybe, a screenshot from PokerTracker or Hold'em Manager that shows this?

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ya and your probably affiliated with the sites trying to shoe people away thinking that online poker is not rigged.
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I am not affiliated with these sites so i give a honest answer.
On the off chance you really believe that there are shills here, think about this.

The "shills" in this thread keep the "conversation" going. They continually respond to posters who think that the game is rigged, giving them a platform to continue claiming this. If there were no "shills" arguing with the "riggies," the thread would quickly die and move off the front page.

That would be a much more effective way of preventing people from seeing or believing the "truth" that the riggies post than hiring people to argue with them.
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04-24-2014 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ultimatecurse
ya and your probably affiliated with the sites trying to shoe people away thinking that online poker is not rigged.

Just as an experiment to get inside that head of yours, lets for one minute disregard reality and assume that you are totally correct.

Ok, you got me. It is true. I am indeed part of a grand conspiracy, one that involves every poker site in the world and every poker forum, designed to cheat and steal from you. I also am the reason you suck at Call Of Duty and baseball but lets focus on poker for now.

I feel no shame. In fact, let it be known that I love you because you are dumb. I wish they were all as dumb as you.

You know we are stealing your money every day, yet you keep coming back over and over. We put it in you every day and every night, and what is your response? Do you walk away? Do you quit letting us **** you? No. You come here every night with tears in your eyes and tell us how bad your ass hurts.

Why is that?

Im going to go back later tonight and they are going to steal from me once again you proclaim loudly for the world to hear. Watch, you say, they plan on robbing me every day the rest of the year! Im sure of it! We have to stop them! Im going to go be victimized right now guys, Ill come back later tonight after Im done to describe the abuse if I have time before my next session you proudly announce.

Not that Im complaining, after all, I do make my living violating you every day. But im just curious as to the psychology behind it. I would immediately quit playing any game that I knew was rigged to cheat me out of my money.

Why dont you?

For the record, I am assuming its because you are a complete moron, but if Im incorrect, and you have a legitimate reason to justify this behavior, please proceed and enlighten us all. Thanks.
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04-24-2014 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ultimatecurse
I do profit but its not way it should be. And the stats are defintely not correct AA is not winning 82% of the time or whatever it supposed to win when you hit all in. Its only winning around 65% of the time when both hand are all in pre flop. Thats definitely not the right percentage and thats over 3 million hands.
I call extreme BS on this. I'll bet you $1000 right now that you can't produce a hand history that is anything like you described above. If you have a 3-million-hand history (anywhere close is fine) and for all the times you went all-in preflop with AA you won less than 70% of them, you win.
If you won 70% or more of them I win.

Deal?

If interested we can work out the details of how we verify your history and how we escrow the money.
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04-25-2014 , 02:33 AM
This is my first post on this forum. I would like to include a brief history, a few negative experiences, what happened to me today and my theory about online poker.

I have been playing online poker since 2007, mostly mixed limit games at sit n go tables. My stats on OPR show my tournament ITM% at over 20% each year, my sit n go ITM% is over 40%, my sit n go heads up this year is over 70% but very few games as I will get into.

In 2013 I reported a player for suspicious play at a heads up table. The player in question played over 4700 games in 2012. He was also on pace to play over 9900 games in 2013. I was refunded one buy in and he suddenly stopped appearing on the tables. So obviously when I reported him, it was investigated and he was banned. Superuser? What do you think? I pretty much quit heads up after this losing confidence in the integrity of the site.

Recently I was bumped up a couple of places from 4th to 2nd in a single table sit n go after noticing two people colluding. I mention this because if you pay attention, you can see when you are getting screwed. These are the only two times I have complained about something not being right, and twice I was refunded cash.

The last two weeks I have been playing good poker, how do I know? Comments in the chat box range from being called an idiot to being told I'm in god mode, and running over 50% ITM. My bank roll hit a new high on Wednesday. Now the reason why I am writing this now. On Thursday when I launch the software I am told there is an update I need to download to continue. Nothing but bad beats ALL DAY! Play razz, get dealt pairs all day. Play stud, have two pair after 5th street and get called down by queen high to hit runner runner on 6th and 7th street and lose to a straight, on and on. I asked other players if they had to update the software and they said no! I really hate this word I am about to use, but it seems like the update was the dreaded doomswitch.

I firmly believe online poker is programmed for EQUALIZATION. The pace at which winners win, and losers lose is controlled to keep the maximum number of players on the site. Good players will win, but they will suffer an excessive number of bad beats from bad players so that they deposit again thinking they can win. I know there will be a few people who are skeptical about my theory, but when my QQ loses to 25s all in pre flop (just to rub it in I had queen high flush vs full house, on the river no less) to a new player who has not cashed in his last 10 games, I just need to share my opinion.
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04-25-2014 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin Rammage
This is my first post on this forum. I would like to include a brief history, a few negative experiences, what happened to me today and my theory about online poker.

I have been playing online poker since 2007, mostly mixed limit games at sit n go tables. My stats on OPR show my tournament ITM% at over 20% each year, my sit n go ITM% is over 40%, my sit n go heads up this year is over 70% but very few games as I will get into.

In 2013 I reported a player for suspicious play at a heads up table. The player in question played over 4700 games in 2012. He was also on pace to play over 9900 games in 2013. I was refunded one buy in and he suddenly stopped appearing on the tables. So obviously when I reported him, it was investigated and he was banned. Superuser? What do you think? I pretty much quit heads up after this losing confidence in the integrity of the site.

Recently I was bumped up a couple of places from 4th to 2nd in a single table sit n go after noticing two people colluding. I mention this because if you pay attention, you can see when you are getting screwed. These are the only two times I have complained about something not being right, and twice I was refunded cash.

The last two weeks I have been playing good poker, how do I know? Comments in the chat box range from being called an idiot to being told I'm in god mode, and running over 50% ITM. My bank roll hit a new high on Wednesday. Now the reason why I am writing this now. On Thursday when I launch the software I am told there is an update I need to download to continue. Nothing but bad beats ALL DAY! Play razz, get dealt pairs all day. Play stud, have two pair after 5th street and get called down by queen high to hit runner runner on 6th and 7th street and lose to a straight, on and on. I asked other players if they had to update the software and they said no! I really hate this word I am about to use, but it seems like the update was the dreaded doomswitch.

I firmly believe online poker is programmed for EQUALIZATION. The pace at which winners win, and losers lose is controlled to keep the maximum number of players on the site. Good players will win, but they will suffer an excessive number of bad beats from bad players so that they deposit again thinking they can win. I know there will be a few people who are skeptical about my theory, but when my QQ loses to 25s all in pre flop (just to rub it in I had queen high flush vs full house, on the river no less) to a new player who has not cashed in his last 10 games, I just need to share my opinion.

Who the hell registers a user name on March 10, 2014 and doesn't post until April 25, 2014 at which time he does so in this Rigged Thread, but also bothers to create an avatar (or w/e it is called on this site), especially a "moving video type avatar"? (that is my technical term btw).
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