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Old 07-20-2009, 07:15 PM   #6976
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The evidence is there. I just got done at Doyle's Room which is by far worst than jokerstars. I lost 10 hands in a row where I was 70-30 and 80-20. Impossible. Yet we can never know because these sites hide their servers on a Indian reservation somewhere in Canada where nobody can see them. Bring them to the US and let the Nevada state gaming people look at them. Stop hiding offshore and then maybe we will believe it.

Do you just make this stuff up? Doyle's Room is on the Cake network, and they do not host servers at Kahnawakee or anywhere else in Canada. Furthermore, these shared network providers have almost no motivation to manipulate the deal, and the skins/brands have zero ability to do so.

Please provide the hand histories for your "impossible" streak of 10 hands, and I suspect we'll see it's quite within normal bounds, and in fact quite common.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:34 PM   #6977
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How much of a statistical effect would the type of play have on flop composition. Obviously in a free no risk game a lot of people will go to the flops with any cards, but in a real money game usually some selection is used, so you will not see 94 vs 82 vs J6 etc as often.

I am not sure if I am even asking this right (you are the stat guy, not me), but is removal effect or whatever term applies to the quality and number of hands that see a flop significant? I assume aces show more on play money table flops where every hand sees a flop for instance.
Overall looking at a variety of cash game stakes and table sizes, the slope from flopped aces to flopped twos is very stead upward to a total of about 0.3% difference across the whole range. Obviously this is due to more flops being seen when players hold higher cards. It's a good theory that the lower the stakes, the less this effect, but I have not verified it. Even then, it would not be enough to be exploitable in any way (or even casually noticed), because the fact of any one player trying to take advantage of it by playing low cards, massively overwhelms the entire effect by his own holdings.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:32 PM   #6978
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by Mike Smith http://www.ask.com/bar?q=mike+smith+...s-big-hands%2F

Their are many folk out there arguing about if online poker is rigged or not…I would like to help put this to rest by stating that it is rigged in many different ways. i helped write some of the software for tiltware LLC…while working on the fulltilt site some of the other programmers and i were asked to install programming into the software that would recognize certain players and provide them with unbeatable hands.

we were also asked to develope software that would provide what they called the”maximum oppurtunity to bet” which meant that the deals are rigged to deal out alot of good starting hands to alot of players so that the most betting possible would take place on every deal. The deal would then provide a monster flop in which atleast two players would be all in before the river.(ever wonder why nobody ever misses the flop online…because then no one would bet and that is not what fulltilt wants) This keeps the tourneys fast paced and exciting which players love. Fulltilt loves this too, the faster you lose the faster they can make more money off you by having enter another tourney.

There is also another way fulltilt cheats you out of cash with their own personal players. These players are called house players and are fulltime employees of the Fulltilt compnay. If you check some names and their online wins vs. loss records you will often find them with records that are simply unreal. I have seen some of these folks who win over 50 straight sessions without a loss…how can this be possible unless they are working on the inside. They come and go and change their names often but they play in the site with the full adavantage of being able to see all the cards in play and in the deck.

Another programming trick we wrote into the software at fulltilt is the levels trick…this trick takes place when a tournament has been running after the first break. The computer recognizes the different size of each players chip stack and begins to deal out hands in which a small stack will shove all in and a large stack will have a better hand to call with.

Have you ever wondered why you get pocekt QQs with 1500 chips and the guy next to you gets pockets KKs and he has 10,000 chips? The answer is simple the site is programmed to get you to play as much as possible. So we programmed the site to eliminate the small stack as quickly as possible so that they can go enter another tourney asap. The site is even prgrammed to adjust the flop for big stacks so that even if the big stack calls your hand with nothing he will end up beating your good made hand by the river. Often times the site will deal you back to back hands with the same cards but maybe different colors or suits..this “glitch” is a sign that the computer is adjusting the shuffle to start elimnting small stacks and allow the tourney to finish quicker.

The sooner a tournament is done the faster fulltilt can have you back at another table spending more money…it is to this sites best interested to eliminate you from tables as fast as possbile. There is no one to regulate how the company manipulates the software to thier own advantage.

There is no one to monitor how the company pays out its players and employees. Simply put, giving some offshore account your hard earned cash is simply insane. Thinking that these people arent cheating you out of your money is crazy, the site has many layers of hidden programming all set up to take full adavantage of all types of players from novice to expert.

the main reason i wrote this blog is to expose the fraud that takes place at online gaming site known as Fulltilt poker i was fired three months ago from the company that helped write the software..yes i am bitter and mad but i do fell everyone so know how bad fulltilt is and that is a site built by THIEVES!!

Howard Lederer should go hang out with Russ Hamilton , ps they kind of look like twins

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Old 07-20-2009, 09:37 PM   #6979
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:38 PM   #6980
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That's the most fake thing I've ever read.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:40 PM   #6981
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......i can't tell if this is supposed to be satirical or not.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:41 PM   #6982
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It seems like a lot of these accusations would be verifiable by the big database sites, like PTR or similar. If they have all those hands in a database they should be able to analyze the card distribution and tell if there seems to be anything tricky going on.

Anyhow, what proof do you have to offer? How do we know you're not just a Stars employee?

You could start by wowing us with your technical knowledge, the way you phrase things makes me think you are in fact not a programmer (or if you are one, you're bad).
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:43 PM   #6983
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"Often times the site will deal you back to back hands with the same cards but maybe different colors or suits..this “glitch” is a sign that the computer is adjusting the shuffle to start elimnting small stacks and allow the tourney to finish quicker."

lol, that's some sophisticated ****.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:44 PM   #6984
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It seems like a lot of these accusations would be verifiable by the big database sites, like PTR or similar. If they have all those hands in a database they should be able to analyze the card distribution and tell if there seems to be anything tricky going on.

Anyhow, what proof do you have to offer? How do we know you're not just a Stars employee?

You could start by wowing us with your technical knowledge, the way you phrase things makes me think you are in fact not a programmer (or if you are one, you're bad).
Obv any database site that claims to legitimize online poker is actually run by the evil online poker sites. Also, all the posters who claim to be winning players at these sites and post graphs and pictures of the stuff they've bought with poker profits are paid by the sites to make it all up and give you confidence. ldo.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:45 PM   #6985
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How do we know you're not just a Stars employee?
Stars wouldn't stoop to this. This is just some attention-craving BS artist coming unglued because he couldn't get rakeback on his Fulltilt account.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:45 PM   #6986
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Their are many folk out there arguing about if online poker is rigged or not…I would like to help put this to rest by stating that it is rigged in many different ways. i helped write some of the software for tiltware LLC…while working on the fulltilt site some of the other programmers and i were asked to install programming into the software that would recognize certain players and provide them with unbeatable hands. we were also asked to develope software that would provide what they called the”maximum oppurtunity to bet” which meant that the deals are rigged to deal out alot of good starting hands to alot of players so that the most betting possible would take place on every deal. The deal would then provide a monster flop in which atleast two players would be all in before the river.(ever wonder why nobody ever misses the flop online…because then no one would bet and that is not what fulltilt wants) This keeps the tourneys fast paced and exciting which players love. Fulltilt loves this too, the faster you lose the faster they can make more money off you by having enter another tourney.
There is also another way fulltilt cheats you out of cash with their own personal players. These players are called house players and are fulltime employees of the Fulltilt compnay. If you check some names and their online wins vs. loss records you will often find them with records that are simply unreal. I have seen some of these folks who win over 50 straight sessions without a loss…how can this be possible unless they are working on the inside. They come and go and change their names often but they play in the site with the full adavantage of being able to see all the cards in play and in the deck.
Another programming trick we wrote into the software at fulltilt is the levels trick…this trick takes place when a tournament has been running after the first break. The computer recognizes the different size of each players chip stack and begins to deal out hands in which a small stack will shove all in and a large stack will have a better hand to call with. Have you ever wondered why you get pocekt QQs with 1500 chips and the guy next to you gets pockets KKs and he has 10,000 chips? The answer is simple the site is programmed to get you to play as much as possible. So we programmed the site to eliminate the small stack as quickly as possible so that they can go enter another tourney asap. The site is even prgrammed to adjust the flop for big stacks so that even if the big stack calls your hand with nothing he will end up beating your good made hand by the river. Often times the site will deal you back to back hands with the same cards but maybe different colors or suits..this “glitch” is a sign that the computer is adjusting the shuffle to start elimnting small stacks and allow the tourney to finish quicker.
The sooner a tournament is done the faster fulltilt can have you back at another table spending more money…it is to this sites best interested to eliminate you from tables as fast as possbile. There is no one to regulate how the company manipulates the software to thier own advantage. There is no one to monitor how the company pays out its players and employees. Simply put, giving some offshore account your hard earned cash is simply insane. Thinking that these people arent cheating you out of your money is crazy, the site has many layers of hidden programming all set up to take full adavantage of all types of players from novice to expert.
the main reason i wrote this blog is to expose the fraud that takes place at online gaming site known as Fulltilt poker i was fired three months ago from the company that helped write the software..yes i am bitter and mad but i do fell everyone so know how bad fulltilt is and that is a site built by THIEVES!!

Howard Lederer should go hang out with Russ Hamilton , ps they kind of look like twins
Fail.

You obviously lack the intelligence to attempt this kind of level. Sorry. Wasn't worth the effort it took to type it. Not worth the time I spent reading it.

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Old 07-20-2009, 09:45 PM   #6987
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wow thanks for this...im cashing out my money
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:46 PM   #6988
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lol cannot stop laughing lololol
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:49 PM   #6989
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lol this is so pathetic
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:49 PM   #6990
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One of his other posts on this forum. Guess he was taking time away from his job as an insider player who knows all the secrets of how the system works.

Seems he also uses his secret knowledge to crush the tourneys at Full Tilt as well.

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...D6163.html?t=2


This guy may actually be the first guy to post a rigged belief that other riggedologists actually stay away from to avoid being connected to the OP in any way, shape or form. Rarely does a post fail at being a level, attempting to be a level, or being legitimate all at the same time.


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did i play this correctly



Seat 1: el dave 76 ($4.34)
Seat 2: Bubalouie1 ($7.47)
Seat 3: chicagopoker79 ($19)
Seat 4: JohannesL28 ($30.30)
Seat 5: pokerfuture08 ($8.41)
Seat 6: MrGentleman77 ($10)
Bubalouie1 posts the small blind of $0.05
chicagopoker79 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pokerfuture08 [4d 4s]
JohannesL28 folds
pokerfuture08 calls $0.10
MrGentleman77 folds
el dave 76 folds
Bubalouie1 raises to $0.40
chicagopoker79 has 15 seconds left to act
chicagopoker79 calls $0.30
pokerfuture08 calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [9s 4c 6s]
Bubalouie1 checks
chicagopoker79 has 15 seconds left to act
chicagopoker79 has requested TIME
chicagopoker79 checks
pokerfuture08 bets $0.70
Bubalouie1 folds
chicagopoker79 calls $0.70
*** TURN *** [9s 4c 6s] [9c]
chicagopoker79 checks
pokerfuture08 has 15 seconds left to act
pokerfuture08 bets $1.60
chicagopoker79 raises to $4.90
pokerfuture08 raises to $7.31, and is all in
chicagopoker79 calls $2.41
pokerfuture08 shows [4d 4s]
chicagopoker79 shows [6d 6c]
*** RIVER *** [9s 4c 6s 9c] [Td]
pokerfuture08 shows a full house, Fours full of Nines
chicagopoker79 shows a full house, Sixes full of Nines
chicagopoker79 wins the pot ($16.08) with a full house, Sixes full of Nines
pokerfuture08 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***

Board: [9s 4c 6s 9c Td]
Seat 1: el dave 76 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Bubalouie1 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: chicagopoker79 (big blind) showed [6d 6c] and won ($16.08) with a full house, Sixes full of Nines
Seat 4: JohannesL28 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: pokerfuture08 showed [4d 4s] and lost with a full house, Fours full of Nines
Seat 6: MrGentleman77 didn't bet (folded)
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:51 PM   #6991
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.. if this was written about stars I would believe it(running horribly under ev (fk stars)) but not about ftp.
This programmer can barely spell, let alone create a sophisticated program that could carry out a scheme like this.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:52 PM   #6992
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I dont think i beleive this article either but who knows but I think it was worth putting up just to hear everybodys thougths. I dont claim to know if this smith guy is real or anything cause i dont even know him.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:53 PM   #6993
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could you have not thought of a better fake name to use other than "Mike Smith"??
Rigged obv.
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One of his other posts on this forum. Guess he was taking time away from his job as an insider player who knows all the secrets of how the system works.

Seems he also uses his secret knowledge to crush the tourneys at Full Tilt as well.

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...D6163.html?t=2


This guy may actually be the first guy to post a rigged belief that other riggedologists actually stay away from to avoid being connected to the OP in any way, shape or form. Rarely does a post fail at being a level, attempting to be a level, or being legitimate all at the same time.
Im not the one who wrote the artice buddy i just saw it on another site and reposted it. http://www.ask.com/bar?q=mike+smith+...s-big-hands%2F thats where i saw it i didnt write that. im not even smart enough to come up with any of those ideas

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Old 07-20-2009, 09:54 PM   #6995
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I dont think i beleive this article either but who knows but I think it was worth putting up just to hear everybodys thougths. I dont claim to know if this smith guy is real or anything cause i dont even know him.
Okay Mr. Smith.
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I dont think i beleive this article either but who knows but I think it was worth putting up just to hear everybodys thougths. I dont claim to know if this smith guy is real or anything cause i dont even know him.
no way this jumble of nonsense qualifies as an "article"
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I dont think i beleive this article either but who knows but I think it was worth putting up just to hear everybodys thougths. I dont claim to know if this smith guy is real or anything cause i dont even know him.
Maybe I'm alone here but I assumed this was by you.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:58 PM   #6998
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I dont think i beleive this article either but who knows but I think it was worth putting up just to hear everybodys thougths. I dont claim to know if this smith guy is real or anything cause i dont even know him.
where did you find this "article"? On the web? link? until then, you are trying a level, and failing badly.
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Maybe I'm alone here but I assumed this was by you.
Similar writing "style" so he did succeed at fooling many of us if this is not the case.



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Im not the one who wrote the artice buddy i just saw it on another site and reposted it.
Fair enough. The internet is filled with all sorts of manifestos and conspiracy theories and people who will sell you the secrets to beat the hidden codes of the games. Next time share one written by someone who has at least a grade 3 education as it will at least sound better.

Thanks for sharing.

If you need a roulette system, literally thousands are available for $50 or less over the internet as well. Consider giving them a shot as they are all equally effective.
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Their are many folk out there arguing about if online poker is rigged or not…I would like to help put this to rest by stating that it is rigged in many different ways. i helped write some of the software for tiltware LLC…while working on the fulltilt site some of the other programmers and i were asked to install programming into the software that would recognize certain players and provide them with unbeatable hands. we were also asked to develope software that would provide what they called the”maximum oppurtunity to bet” which meant that the deals are rigged to deal out alot of good starting hands to alot of players so that the most betting possible would take place on every deal. The deal would then provide a monster flop in which atleast two players would be all in before the river.(ever wonder why nobody ever misses the flop online…because then no one would bet and that is not what fulltilt wants) This keeps the tourneys fast paced and exciting which players love. Fulltilt loves this too, the faster you lose the faster they can make more money off you by having enter another tourney.
There is also another way fulltilt cheats you out of cash with their own personal players. These players are called house players and are fulltime employees of the Fulltilt compnay. If you check some names and their online wins vs. loss records you will often find them with records that are simply unreal. I have seen some of these folks who win over 50 straight sessions without a loss…how can this be possible unless they are working on the inside. They come and go and change their names often but they play in the site with the full adavantage of being able to see all the cards in play and in the deck.
Another programming trick we wrote into the software at fulltilt is the levels trick…this trick takes place when a tournament has been running after the first break. The computer recognizes the different size of each players chip stack and begins to deal out hands in which a small stack will shove all in and a large stack will have a better hand to call with. Have you ever wondered why you get pocekt QQs with 1500 chips and the guy next to you gets pockets KKs and he has 10,000 chips? The answer is simple the site is programmed to get you to play as much as possible. So we programmed the site to eliminate the small stack as quickly as possible so that they can go enter another tourney asap. The site is even prgrammed to adjust the flop for big stacks so that even if the big stack calls your hand with nothing he will end up beating your good made hand by the river. Often times the site will deal you back to back hands with the same cards but maybe different colors or suits..this “glitch” is a sign that the computer is adjusting the shuffle to start elimnting small stacks and allow the tourney to finish quicker.
The sooner a tournament is done the faster fulltilt can have you back at another table spending more money…it is to this sites best interested to eliminate you from tables as fast as possbile. There is no one to regulate how the company manipulates the software to thier own advantage. There is no one to monitor how the company pays out its players and employees. Simply put, giving some offshore account your hard earned cash is simply insane. Thinking that these people arent cheating you out of your money is crazy, the site has many layers of hidden programming all set up to take full adavantage of all types of players from novice to expert.
the main reason i wrote this blog is to expose the fraud that takes place at online gaming site known as Fulltilt poker i was fired three months ago from the company that helped write the software..yes i am bitter and mad but i do fell everyone so know how bad fulltilt is and that is a site built by THIEVES!!

Howard Lederer should go hang out with Russ Hamilton , ps they kind of look like twins
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=mike+smith+...s-big-hands%2F i didnt write this this is where i found it
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