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Old 07-15-2009, 01:49 PM   #6901
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It isnt so much the hands themselves but the way they are played.

Someone explain what the Q 10 guy is playing at here?
That tournament had a 2-3 buck buy in.

Sometimes play at those levels is not perfect.

That help?


Seriously, your last few posts are levels, right? I never put you on this level of zero awareness before now as you always seemed a bit brighter than most riggedologists.

You are not really this out of touch with the game are you? You are asking things that would be laughed at in the beginners forum.
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Old 07-15-2009, 02:27 PM   #6902
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If you think this level of bad play shows online poker is rigged, do NOT go watch low buy-in live poker games. You will think they are super duper mega uber rigged.
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Old 07-15-2009, 02:36 PM   #6903
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... as you always seemed a bit brighter than most riggedologists.
brighter?



Is this the same supperdish?

Well, I suppose he is almost literate.
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:28 PM   #6904
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Why? because I consider myself to be a man of concious and integrity.
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You look at the hands very different from me.

The first hand on the flop the Villain has basically a 10/1 shot of making his straight assuming no tens are already folded.

Why is he even calling off practically all his chips pre flop deep into a satellite for a MAJOR tourney with K J off?

The second hand is the longest possible odds on the flop 1000-1 yet he makes it again calling pre flop with 33 on a 9-10 man table.

3 outer + 1000-1 shot + ludicrous play + near consective hands + deep in satellite to Major tourney= RIGGED
You clearly are not a CONSCIOUS man, let alone a man of CONSCIENCE.
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:07 PM   #6905
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LOL, I doubt those hands would even get respect in BBV. Losing two 70/30s happens roughly 9% of the time.

What thread did you find them from, anyway? I did a search on 2+2 and couldn't find the hands in any thread other than this one.
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Old 07-15-2009, 05:49 PM   #6906
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LOL, I doubt those hands would even get respect in BBV. Losing two 70/30s happens roughly 9% of the time.

What thread did you find them from, anyway? I did a search on 2+2 and couldn't find the hands in any thread other than this one.
I guess it doesn't matter what the flop and turn odds are. You must be a preflop odds expert.

Are the shills still sidestepping the question with personal attacks when asked point blank if Stars or the other sites are paying them? LOL
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:03 PM   #6907
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I guess it doesn't matter what the flop and turn odds are.
Correct, it doesn't. Nothing went in on the flop/turn.

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You must be a preflop odds expert.
No, I'm not. I doubt those are both precisely 70/30s, but I think it's within ten percent of that either way. What does it matter? Just Pokerstove it.

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Are the shills still sidestepping the question with personal attacks when asked point blank if Stars or the other sites are paying them? LOL
Can't speak for others, but I don't get paid by anyone to post here.

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Old 07-15-2009, 07:12 PM   #6908
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I guess it doesn't matter what the flop and turn odds are. You must be a preflop odds expert.
If all the chips go in pre flop then only the pre flop odds matter. You suggesting otherwise?

If I have AA and you have 7 2 and we each shove for 100 blinds, I am a healthy 6-1 favorite.

All the chips are in and now here is the flop.

7 7 7

Well that is not good for the AA hero. Now he is about a 1000-1 underdog.

Turn ace river ace. Quad aces beats quad sevens.

Wow that was crazy, wasn't it? Well, yeah it was an amusing sequence of events but since all the chips went in pre-flop all it was statistically was a 6-1 favorite winning the hand, whether quads beat quads or a pair of aces beat 7 high after the cards were dealt.

These types of hands will happen once in a while and when they do part of the fun is the paranoid delusional theories they will create in some players, when all that happened was a 6-1 favorite won.

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Are the shills still sidestepping the question with personal attacks when asked point blank if Stars or the other sites are paying them? LOL
Point blank - I do not get paid anything by any site. There you go, a point blank answer, though you and others are free to believe that the sites, the Lizard People, or any secret forces are paying me tons, and if so, ask them to give me a raise please.

Feel better now? Your point blank questions were answered and basic pre flop odds concepts were explained. No doubt these direct answers to your point blank questions will satisfy you and you will change your views to reflect that...

Well, ok , getting hit by lightning is more likely than some things

All the best.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:21 PM   #6909
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FWIW, I've been fortunate enough to never have experienced a 989:1 (the exact odds of a perfect runner-runner, IIRC) with all the money in on the flop.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:32 PM   #6910
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Can't speak for others, but I don't get paid by anyone to post here.
Seriously, people are sooo ignorant. Why would a poker site pay someone to post anti-rigged type rhetoric on this (or any) forum? Why? To convince people who think it's rigged that it's not? LMAO. Do you know how many people, WHO THINK IT'S RIGGED, are playing on their sites right now (losing because they play like sht)? THOUSANDS!!! Do they still make their fees and rake? YES!!! You fools need to do something better with your time that's more +EV for your bankroll/money. SERIOUSLY!

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Old 07-15-2009, 07:46 PM   #6911
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In the interest of balance, this link was posted in the WSOP main event thread. See the comment 4th down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U198CvlCBhA

Discuss.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:57 PM   #6912
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In the interest of balance, this link was posted in the WSOP main event thread. See the comment 4th down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U198CvlCBhA

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There's been lots of random forum post where some first-time anonymous commenter claims to have inside information about software rigging. There was a lengthy thread like this not too long ago, where someone here on 2+2 claimed their roommate had just quit Full Tilt and he had to go pick him up at the airport, and he had been told by phone that the roommate couldn't put up with the inside rigging they forced him to do anymore, or something like that. He promised more details forthcoming and was never heard from again. These stories are invariably made up for someone's amusement and not even good levels.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:22 PM   #6913
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In the interest of balance, this link was posted in the WSOP main event thread. See the comment 4th down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U198CvlCBhA

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I raise you Gus Hansen doing the same thing live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq3zZbj8TDE
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Old 07-16-2009, 03:47 AM   #6914
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Are the shills still sidestepping the question with personal attacks when asked point blank if Stars or the other sites are paying them? LOL
Nope.

We've all stated that we are not payed by anyone.

It's just that idiots such as yourself ignore anything they don't want to see and just repeat the same question at a later date.

Your are also so animal stupid that it does not seem to have occurred to you that if a site was surreptitiously paying people to shill then those people would obviously deny they were being paid.

So your question would be pointless but for the fact that there is one point to it: To demonstrate the cretinously low intelligence of the questioner.


Have a nice day.
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Old 07-17-2009, 07:16 PM   #6915
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Nope.

We've all stated that we are not payed by anyone.

It's just that idiots such as yourself ignore anything they don't want to see and just repeat the same question at a later date.

Your are also so animal stupid that it does not seem to have occurred to you that if a site was surreptitiously paying people to shill then those people would obviously deny they were being paid.

So your question would be pointless but for the fact that there is one point to it: To demonstrate the cretinously low intelligence of the questioner.


Have a nice day.
You shills have all stated that you aren't paid by the sites? Are you sure? This is the first time I"ve seen you or any of the other shills post an answer.

I have a life outside this thread unlike you so I may have missed it. Feel free to post your previous answer where you stated you weren't paid by the sites. Don't bother to post all the insults and personal attacks you made towards me or the other posters when side-stepping the question previously.
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:06 PM   #6916
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Wow, 39 hours for a rigtard to come up with a reply and the best that you can come up with is "Aha! you say you've said you're not a shill before, but I can't remember you doing that. And while I can't be bothered to search the thread to confirm this impression I am now convinced beyond a doubt that your denial is too little too late and is in fact proof in itself that you are a shill!" Actually, that is on par with the best rigtard arguments so:

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Old 07-17-2009, 08:51 PM   #6917
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Hi,

I've been away in Vanuatu for a week. Just to check I haven't missed anything while I've been away:

1) Has any evidence been provided that suggests any anomalies in online poker?

2) Has K13 admitted that his false claim about aces coming on the flop is false yet?
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Old 07-17-2009, 09:21 PM   #6918
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Hi,

I've been away in Vanuatu for a week. Just to check I haven't missed anything while I've been away:

1) Has any evidence been provided that suggests any anomalies in online poker?

2) Has K13 admitted that his false claim about aces coming on the flop is false yet?
no, no (I think he did acknowledge the evidence though and stated that he didn't care)
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Old 07-17-2009, 10:20 PM   #6919
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You shills have all stated that you aren't paid by the sites? Are you sure? This is the first time I"ve seen you or any of the other shills post an answer.

I have a life outside this thread unlike you so I may have missed it. Feel free to post your previous answer where you stated you weren't paid by the sites. Don't bother to post all the insults and personal attacks you made towards me or the other posters when side-stepping the question previously.
See, the funny thing is, since you're the ones calling people shills, the burden of evidence is on you. Mind blowing revelation there, I know, so I'll give you some time to digest it.
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Old 07-18-2009, 01:52 AM   #6920
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See, the funny thing is, since you're the ones calling people shills, the burden of evidence is on you. Mind blowing revelation there, I know, so I'll give you some time to digest it.
Ooops!

You used the 'E' word.
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Old 07-18-2009, 01:52 AM   #6921
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You shills have all stated that you aren't paid by the sites? Are you sure? This is the first time I"ve seen you or any of the other shills post an answer.

I have a life outside this thread unlike you so I may have missed it. Feel free to post your previous answer where you stated you weren't paid by the sites. Don't bother to post all the insults and personal attacks you made towards me or the other posters when side-stepping the question previously.
Idiot!
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Old 07-18-2009, 02:52 AM   #6922
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You shills have all stated that you aren't paid by the sites? Are you sure? This is the first time I"ve seen you or any of the other shills post an answer.
Hi - I'm primarily employed by a poker site. You can probably find other posts in this thread made by me and others saying this as well. There are also around a dozen other threads where this is discussed.
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:10 AM   #6923
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LOL begging for your doomswitch to turn off. Just get good enough to beat the players and the doomswitch when its turned on, that way you don't lose long term and have no excuses.

Melina
What is it that you don't understand? The words "95% favourite" on the turn, losing to two outers or always losing when I am 70%+ preflop favourite?

btw. do you really believe that I was seriously "begging"?
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:17 AM   #6924
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Dear Full Tilt player,

Please don't waste out time with this nonsense or we will have to increase our rake to cover the cost of replying.

The statistics that you have fabricated from your patchy memory regarding your all ins is almost certainly wrong and if you could use one of the many tools available to prove otherwise I will gladly investigate the hands in question.

Please stop implying that there are doomswitches or that we favour "bad" players in order to make more money. If you are not happy with our software or the assurances that we give you of the security and integrity of our games you are welcome to play elsewhere.
I use an equilator to check the %. It's not something I make up from my memory. I play online poker for 3+ years now and I know most % of standard situations anyway.

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You almost always get your money in as 70% favourite or better? Doesn't this mean you are either lying or you play bad?
NO that means that I am playing well but something is faux with your software or that I am in a MASSIVE downswing for almost 4 months now.
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:18 AM   #6925
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What is it that you don't understand? The words "95% favourite" on the turn, losing to two outers or always losing when I am 70%+ preflop favourite?
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NO that means that I am playing well but something is faux with your software or that I am in a MASSIVE downswing for almost 4 months now.
They are obviously picking on you.

Either give up poker or move to another site.
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