Do not think its that Monteroy but im no programmer.

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It's pretty obvious that it is nothing but a table displayed twice on client side. And no, this is certainly not the right thread.

I can understand the confusion that this thread might actually be a place to get answers seeing as it's on 2+2 but it's definitely not. Would be nice to see it locked up so unsuspecting posters don't stumble onto it to post but I digress. You might want to try starting a separate thread to try to address your issue.

Why is that remotely suspicious?

And lol at there being "a lot of pokerstars employees" in this thread. As far as I know only one has ever posted here, and openly.

I vaguely remember that I figured out a theory as to what caused it back when it happened to me a couple times. I looked for the screenshots I took at the time, but no idea what I named them. Email Stars with the screenshots and they will probably ask you to zip some files to email to them (again, a vague memory of this) to figure out what causes it.

You think it has something to do with rigging? Certainly would be one of the dumbest ways to try to "hide a rig" if it did. If you do not then start a thread in the general internet poker forum asking if anyone else had this happen to them, or the Pokerstars general thread. Guess I don't fully see the point of you posting in this thread (though no doubt that will cause some riggies to believe it is a conspiracy to hold back the information even though I also said it has happened to me before).

All the best.

Whatever it is (I suspect it's an issue with communication between software components), it is obvious that it happens on client side and thus is not related to the RNG.

I thought just about everyone using the interwebs would at least roughly understand what the point of a Client-Server-Application is, but oh well.

Riggies never get that, and they describe strange UI behavior all the time as being related to a rigged deal somehow, when that doesn't even happen on their computer at all. Pauses in screen draws or slow responses to actions are some of the common ones.

Lol, I think you are vastly overestimating the computer knowledge of the average person.

I think you're right on this.

Riggies - the software on your computer doesn't shuffle or deal the cards, it just displays pictures of them. And it lets you click on pictures of buttons to tell the far-away server what you want to do after you have looked at the picture of cards on your screen.

Now they know.

I believe that this situation can happen if you get moved to a table that you were already watching.

This has been discussed somewhere else on 2+2, but I'm really not sure where. Maybe the stars software improvement thread ?

You might want to do the same.

This was on a 1 table EPT monaco sat the table popped out of the mist so I am told I do not want to comment anymore here.

I play higher than most so security is paramount I could not find another instance of this on search engine.I am not a programmer but am very IT able.
Do not label me rig tard/ riggy or piggy i get angry.

I have played online for over 10 years with great success.

thanks.

People are calling you riggie because you posted in the thread about rigging.

If you want to be taken seriously, start your own thread.

Yup, I now remember that's what it was for me (it was always late in the rare MTTs I went deep...). Has not happened in a while though...

The horrific run bad with KK continues. The last 400 times ive had it I am break even, so this hand has now been removed from my range, it does not exist, just can't win with it. Any time I get action pre flop its against aces, and post flop Im flopped dead. Just amazing.

On FT I played 110k hands, had KK 522 times, and guess what, my show down winnings are in the red. How is this possible in a fair game?

Cause at showdown hands tend to be stronger than at any other street

Ye really? No crap?

Proudly show your HEM database in a few months of the 0% VPIP you now utilize with KK as that will put all of the shadowy conspirators in their place for trying to continue to screw you with that hand. After all, as you have stated - it is no longer in your "range."

You can of course choose the more common riggie option - do not change and continue to play in a game you believe is rigged against you.

Both options are of course idiotic, but at least one shows you have the courage to stand behind your beliefs. I am assuming you will not be choosing that option. May the KK odds be ever in your favor.

All the best.

screenshot of your HEM or PT database showing your results with KK, perhaps? You need to understand a great many things get claimed in this thread and, gasp, a great many are exaggerated and even, double gasp, untrue. No one is going to get excited or swayed by your claims without any substantiation.

with nothing else to go by, here are some possibilities regarding the how possible in a fair game:

1. person truly, truly sucks and misplays KK every time or nearly every time.
2. Person is not particularly good (better than 1, though) and is in midst of bad run of cards.
3. Person is breakeven and in midst of really bad run
4. Person is good to very good and in midst of horrific run.
5. Person plays relatively well in most situations but bungles KK and maybe QQ,JJ type hands horrifically.
6. Database doesn't work properly or is being misinterpreted, misused.

See? There are quite a few possibilities, every single one of which at this point can be termed more likely than a rig that hasn't been detected and yet produces mind bogglingly easy to catch situations such as KK getting crushed when played by a very good player over tens or even hundreds of thousands of hands (do you see why this is unlikely?).

Whether intentional or not, the bolded is going to turn out to be true.

Funny 5thstreet gone quiet now since my last post. Surprise? You and otatop and the other props post in any thread specifically related to the RNG? For years? Why?

Your most recent post is the following:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...4&postcount=42


Perhaps they do not think about Nadal in a bathtub as much as you, and they have nothing to comment on that topic.

All the best.

i like filling the bathtub up with water then turning the shower on and acting like i'm in a submarine that's been hit.

I'm still not sure if Internet poker is rigged or not. I'd like to think it's not, but let's play the devil's advocate and say it is. Can anyone explain to me why would a poker site rig the software? I think there are several ways the game could be rigged:
- More set up hands, more fantastic drawing flops online then there are at live games to induce actions and increase the rakes. I kinda think this is the case, but then it's still fair game. You just need to know the nature of it to play accordingly.
- Is there any argument that it's rigged so house players can win over our funds? I doubt it and I don't see lots of complaints regarding this issue. I don't think reputable sites would have house players.
- The issue that has the most complaints however is bad beats, bad beats, bad beats. Now why would they want to increase the bad beats? To frustrate their players so they will move their funds elsewhere? Some would argue to keep the fish in, but to what purpose. I have experienced bad beats why playing MTTs. Some idiots playing crappy hands and win over my premium ones. So I keep watching that player to see if he'd advance far. He always crashes out at some point very soon later.

So to all who say it's rigged, please explain who is the beneficiary of such action? If you say to even out the playing fields so the fish will have a chance against the pros, do you have any arguments to support that having more fish is more beneficiary than frustrating out good players and lose them. Put yourself in the poker site perspective, would you risk frustrating out your regular players to benefit the fishy ones?

So many possible reasons... keep the bad players in action for longer, lower a good players winrate. Basically, the end goal is to level the playing field to eliminate edges between recreations/regs so that all (or most) of the money in play on the site eventually gets converted to rake.

Any game that is being manipulated at any level is not a fair game. DUCY?

Only small sites need house players. As long as you stay away from those small sites you will never face the issue of house players.

You asked and answered your own question. Regs will never leave a site as long as they think they have an edge

The poker site is the beneficiary. Lower winrates --> less money leaving the site in the form of cashouts and a higher % of deposits being converted to rake.

I will say it again... good players will rarely leave a site because they are running bad on that site. They might switch more of their action to somewhere else but they will never leave that site completely.