why would i call 5bb when i'm beat?

as for BBEP with TT vs 44..... unlucky but it happens

BBED, things that have to happen sooner or later are hardly interesting. It's like someone posting "Duuudes I can't believe it, but it's exactly 6:53 right now!!!!!". It has to happen twice a day, just like it will happen that you tie with a runner runner flush after being a massive favorite sooner or later. Got that?

If you really think that shouldn't happen to you because you are special or something, I don't know what to say. If you think it happens too often, post your evidence; if true, it's easily probable beyond reasonable doubt, and you'll be a hero.

You still don't know how? Shocking.

Otherwise, what's your point? You want comfort?

Poooooor BBED, that is tough to take... sooo sorry.. I feeeel you, poooooor boooooy.. Better now?

You know what would be proof of a rig ? If hands with 93% equity always won.

You ever played 888 ?

I would like to hear the opinion of a 888 regular and see his graphs if possible

You disagree?

lolpotodds posted his graph, and he was a whopping 3BI below ev over 20k hands iirc. He took that as proof that 888 stole 3BI from him, typical riggie logic.

yeah ofc I agree.

But happens all the time.

I just won a PF hand with QQ against JJ. Flop xJ8 T:9 R:T
something like this. This happens an immensive ammount of times. After that hand ended I said on chat "what a sweat" and chipleader(who busted me later and seemed like a good player) said "welcome to 888"

I wanna think it's totally random but I just can't because 2 in 2 minutes I see a badbeat

lol can't beat 4nl.

If you do agree, can you tell me what sense it would make to post such a hand, or even draw conclusions from it? I assume the hand was posted to "prove" something? Or was it indeed the desire for comfort? I'm baffled that riggies think, posting a hand would accomplish anything, it just shows you aren't mentally capable of understanding simple maths, randomness, and surely shouldn't play poker for real money. Nothing else.

Meh, the "welcome to 888"-kind of talk existed for every site in history. Just like some people believe in faith or god - that is simply how some humans roll. There's basically two kinds of people: Some see patterns in noise (religious people, conspiracy theorists, riggies), and some don't. I belong to the second kind, that means I want some evidence before drawing conclusions.

Can we agree on the assumption that if a rig is correctly observable by humans, than it would also be easily mathematically probable? I mean, human perception is proven as flawed, while statistics returns exact results. If so, why did everyone who ever tried fail?

See, I believe that (most) riggies think they would see a rig. Is it really too much asked if they would actually do two hours of work and prove it, instead of posting single hands and allegations that actually say nothing for weeks and months?

You judge what a smart person would actually go for.

Single hands and allegations are their "proof".

My 93% hands don't win 93% of the time though.

Obviously there's not too many hands where you get it in as a 93% favourite. But when I'm an 80% favourite I don't win 80% of the time, when I'm a 60% favourite I don't win 60% of the time.

It's BS like this that stops me crushing higher limits.

Also inb4 some BS is posted about 'post your database then and prove it'. You'd just say I didn't have a large enough sample of course, typical shill logic.

From what I understood you're not religious.
Why not ? christians have a lot of proof that their god existed.
But you made the choice to not believe it and not believe their proof.

Just like you made the choice to ignore all proof everybody posted here. I mean, 99% proof posted here is useless but you could still not ignore the 1%.


I have played about 15k hands and have seen 14 quads already.
I see 25%'s beat the 75's like 50% of the time. I see nut flops lose to runner runners like 25% the time. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a victim here, I'm talking about hands I see from other players, and I suckout too, obviously less because I don't like getting it in bad like fish does but I play superturbo so it's impossible not to get it in bad once in a while.

I seriously hope this is only happening to me, I will be playing on that site for a couple more months, I like the field

Statements like this reeeeeeeeally hurt your credibility, especially since it only takes 2 minutes to filter for these things and actually support what you say.

Otatop doing the rounds again I see. Pokerstars even has them working on weekends now. They must be getting worried.

you're beat if you put him on a 10, sure. but what 10 is check-calling flop, check-calling turn, then check-raising river. (unless the foe is phil hellmuth attempting to trap you with his trips). he just completed the blind. he could have anything: a small pocket pair, a random ace, paint cards (unlikely) that hit a gut shot or open-ender on the turn, missed the river and decided to just buy the pot. his line doesn't really make any sense unless he's just terrible because he probably would've tried to build the pot earlier with trip 10's. of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...good luck.

Little 2NL/4NL donkdude, how about a fun challenge today. We each play and we see who can post the better beats for the day. Unlike you I will use the boomplayer so my hands are verifiable (while good chance you make a bunch of yours up). I will play a variety of buy ins (even a freeroll or two just for you, though I plan to just open shove in them) so I can have beats at different buy ins as well.

Many of my games are Omaha, but I will try to just use Holdem hands since Omaha and other games tend to confuse and frustrate riggies.

In theory if I have a boomswitch as you believe then I should not have nearly as many beats vs donks as you, so are you up for this challenge?

All the best.

how do I filter it ?
I'm not here to lie or make anyone think bad about 888 software. I'm here to understand if it's really something or am I seeing things where they don't exist.

More Pokerstars fraud in tournments. I am dealt AQ suited in the sb and shove the BB. He snaps with AJ. Now on a live table there usually will not be any action. On Pokerstars fraud RNG we all know this is far from the case. He obviously outflops me hitting the 3 outter but I am dealt a flush and straight draw. Wow what are the chances all in pre flop. Of course he can hit the 3 out but I miss turn river flush and straight draws. Just another all in pre flop fraud rig on Pokerstars. Another day in the isle of man

I love how you use "their", must be hard not to slip up when you are associated with the industry and the individuals like you are. It's the same prop posters here everyday. Not a lot of credibility to you prop posters using your gimmicks

My offer to post better bad beat hands for the day is open to you as well. Again, I will use boomplayer while you likely will make up stuff you will never document properly, but since riggies are not that creative the odds are just through relatively minimal play I will see more interesting hands than they can create from "memory." You can even say the type of hands (pair vs pair, all in preflop, all in post flop etc)

The 2NL donk is clearly not going to do it so are you up for it?

All the best.


P.S. Here is a sample - I go out 10 10 vs 10 10 in a MicroMillions. Much better than the beat you just made up!

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...316_F4D97CEC39

I've gone out 2 times with aa vs aa. I have never had it in my faVOUR. mY FRIEND HAS LOST TWQICE TO THAT RIG ALSO. THAT IS 4/4 AA VS AA LOSE. The rng is corrupt

Monteroy, you should focus on your currrent Omaha tournment. Judging your stats you are mediocre at best. I suspect you would make more money horsing someone like me who is approaching 12k profits for the year playing part time.

I play once a month. I back players and my play is meaningless. You know that. Only the really dumb riggies try to use that as some form of debate, you should be better than that and them.

You are not up that much, you lie all the time. You never document a single thing. Nobody believes you as a result, and you will not prove otherwise.

If you want to do the challenge let me know!

AA vs AA , big deal - I went 1-1 in them in a single week despite my relative minimal play (of which a small portion is Holdem), and unlike you let me show you the actual verifiable hand histories! Both times the opponent's name started with a t. Spooky...

I win the challenge again

All the best.


okerStars Hand #79279303572: Tournament #569011337, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (250/500) - 2012/04/22 14:03:30 ET
Table '569011337 297' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: takeall.de (14708 in chips)
Seat 2: shipya (15984 in chips)
Seat 3: set778 (2978 in chips)
Seat 4: Monteroy (1754 in chips)
Seat 5: specialknr1 (16855 in chips)
Seat 6: Schwengber (8628 in chips)
Seat 7: mattyreilly (23538 in chips)
Seat 8: commablack (13305 in chips)
Seat 9: Tomas20LT (13238 in chips)
takeall.de: posts the ante 60
shipya: posts the ante 60
set778: posts the ante 60
Monteroy: posts the ante 60
specialknr1: posts the ante 60
Schwengber: posts the ante 60
mattyreilly: posts the ante 60
commablack: posts the ante 60
Tomas20LT: posts the ante 60
Monteroy: posts small blind 250
specialknr1: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Monteroy [Ad Ah]
Schwengber: folds
mattyreilly: folds
commablack: folds
Tomas20LT: folds
takeall.de: raises 1000 to 1500
shipya: folds
set778: folds
Monteroy: calls 1250
specialknr1: folds
*** FLOP *** [9d 6c Jc]
Monteroy: bets 194 and is all-in
takeall.de: calls 194
*** TURN *** [9d 6c Jc] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [9d 6c Jc 8c] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Monteroy: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces)
takeall.de: shows [As Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
takeall.de collected 4428 from pot
Monteroy finished the tournament in 2111th place

PokerStars Hand #79675185587: Tournament #553983343, $11.12+$2.78+$1.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2012/04/30 7:34:45 ET
Table '553983343 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: TheDry999 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: leledoni (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: tilly_2 (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: sirfal75 (1210 in chips)
Seat 5: AlGiNho (1510 in chips)
Seat 6: ZwwZMode (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: djotlo (1820 in chips)
Seat 8: Monteroy (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: lillllili (1500 in chips)
AlGiNho: posts small blind 10
ZwwZMode: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Monteroy [Ad Ah]
djotlo: calls 20
Monteroy: raises 120 to 140
lillllili: folds
TheDry999: folds
leledoni: folds
tilly_2: raises 160 to 300
sirfal75: folds
AlGiNho: folds
ZwwZMode: folds
djotlo: calls 280
Monteroy: raises 1200 to 1500 and is all-in
tilly_2: calls 1170 and is all-in
djotlo: folds
Uncalled bet (30) returned to Monteroy
*** FLOP *** [Td 8d 4s]
*** TURN *** [Td 8d 4s] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Td 8d 4s Kd] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Monteroy: shows [Ad Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
tilly_2: shows [Ac As] (a pair of Aces)
Monteroy collected 3270 from pot
Monteroy wins the $2.78 bounty for eliminating tilly_2
tilly_2 finished the tournament in 9th place

12K? That's not that much playmoney for 3 months of 2014....maybe work on your game and in 3,4 years you can join the people who sell playmoney for 2$ per million.

Sounds great right? Finally a chance for you to make some real money.

V does have a lot of hands but i doubt he'd play a pocket pair this way. i don't think he thinks he can get me off a lot of hands i triple barrel and i do think that he's somewhat aware that if he raises with a T he's almost never going to get action. his line does make sense for a T although he could have bluffs but i doubt a there are a lot of bluffs he does this with (he would have to double float me which is pretty rare).

You never made any money playing online poker because you're a loser. So, stop lying. tnx