Neat picture. Read a ****ing book sometime.

Third option --> they provide proof

BEELIONS and BEELIONS...

-c. sagan

I had 2 pairs you idiot, I just got coolered cos villain had trips.

BTW I've lost another 7 buyins in the last few days. It's just a joke how the RNG never lets me catch a break.

Spoke to some more 2nl regs yesterday, all of them agreed Stars was rigged. It's actually quite a popular opinion, not just the opinion of a couple of crazies as the shills would have you believe.

I have one understanding. Any series of combination of events lead to a specific occurrence of spiked variance, bad beats and coolers. Online poker is in desperate need of honesty, integrity and an infusion of fairness.

There's a saying the locals are quite fond of in my part of the world...

If you don't like it, **** off.

You must live on my block -

random oriental guy at a live poker tournament:

"I bet...one meerion"...

im utterly bored right now so im reading pokerscout site reviews and came across this gem. its just part of his post but read his complaint about how a typical hand plays out...

" I HAVE BEEN PLAYING POKER FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW. I AM BY NO MEANS A PROFESSIONAL BUT AS THE YEARS WENT ON I BECAME QUITE GOOD. I HAVE PLAYED IN LARGE TOURNIES, S&G'S, AND RING GAMES. I DECIDED TO GIVE PS A SHOT AND STARTED SMALL. I QUICKLY REALIZED THAT THIS SITE IS RIGGED. ACTION HANDS POP UP WITH ODDS THAT ARE SO IMPROBABLE THAT I HAVENT SEEN HALF AS MANY IN ALL MY YEARS OF PLAY. MY FAVORITE ONE THAT HAPPENS WITH SUCH IMPROBABILITY IS THIS: YOU WILL HAVE 2 PAIR (SAY A J 10) MIDDLE OF THE ROAD BUT ENOUGH TO WARRANT A CHECK IN OR LOW CALL. THE FLOP WILL HIT J 10 7. ALL OF A SUDDEN 4 PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN THE HAND. WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE YOU SHOW YOUR J 10 SOMEONE ELSE HAS A J 10, SOMEONE ELSE HAS TRIPS ON THE 7 AND WHO TAKES THE POT? THE FOURTH GUY WHO EITHER WAS IN THE BLIND OR CALLED ON A 56 AND TURNED AN 8 AND FLOPPED A 9. "

lol, this guy starts by saying hes been playing for 15 years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av2uMRPQzp4

"it's actually impossible for a computer to generate random numbers" - Ron Harris

interesting video, please explain
thanks

just send him here

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...dition-255990/

i was posting this actually because of the hypothetical hand he described. read the hand again...btw obv he means rivered a 9.

this is kinda funny bc the only time ive ever questioned the integrity of a site is when i first got to bovada. i posted about how crazy good i was running, if i remember correctly i certainly ran so above ev that i honestly couldnt remember ever running that good in my life. i never have posted about running bad though.

not sure why this ended up here. it's not about the guy thinking the site is rigged. its about the hand he describes. i think its kinda funny the mod couldnt see the humor in it. i mean to me at least it was blatantly funny.
please tell me that at least one person can see why this is funny...

He is wrong.

Computers can use many different techniques to create truly random numbers by using truly random events like radioactive decay, thermal noise, or actual movements of a hard disk read/write head. Some sites use features like this in their RNG although most use a sophisticated pseudorandom number generator that is for all intent and purpose completely random.

I believe Pokerstars for example seeds their number generation with actual mouse movements which are completely random.

Wiki has a good basic synopsis of this subject if you are interested.

If not, to summarize, the days of primitive number generators that were predictable are long gone.

Wait, so you admit that Pokerstars alters the hands it deals according to the movement of your mouse?

So if someone knew the mouse movement required to get AA, they could just keep getting dealt AA many times in a row?

Seems to support my superuser theory really. People in the know can get the cards they want. If it's true what you're saying about mouse movements that is the rig proven IMO.

To make a call, especially on the river, you typically should beat some of your opponents hands. Ask the fictional NL2 regs you speak to sometimes.

So for what reason are you unable too show your interesting data you claimed to have weeks ago? Right, because you lied. Otherwise you could go ahead and say something like "I cash out in this very moment, look what happens the next thousand hands/games I play", which would exactly how someone with an IQ above room temperature would try and prove a rig.

Also, variance depends on game type, style, and, broken down on single hands, equity distribution. But no wonder your "understanding" is none, you obviously cba to look up things you talk smart about.

So because you ask 2NL "regs" if they think its rigged does that make it true because a group of idiots all agree to it?

Can't respond. To busy perfecting mouse movements so that he gets dealt AA every hand.

No, no and no.

Unfortunately your trolling is as bad as your poker, you should give up both.

That's what the guy just said though!

Now he goes on to say mouse movements are random, but that's only assuming the mouse user has no idea of this rig. If he did have an idea, and knew what the 'correct' movement was for AA, couldn't he just move his mouse in the correct way to get dealt AA?

Next time I get AA I'm definitely making a note of what I did with my mouse prior to the hand anyway, and will try and replicate it.

Haven't read about the mouse movements but if we assume what you say is correct and mouse movements could give you AA what about the other players mouse movements?

According to Stars' website, user input (mouse movements and events timing) is one source of two sources of entropy, the other being their hardware RNG. The two sources are combined via a cryptographic algorithm before being used for the shuffle. So making a particular set of movements to get dealt particular cards is impossible.


But one of those pairs was wholly on the board, so you're splitting with any other king, way behind any ace, and only really beating a bluff.

If you honestly think villain is bluffing often enough in that spot to make a call profitable, then fair enough. But since you only had a bluffcatcher you can hardly honestly call it a cooler.

Right, so basically to determine if you get dealt AA, Pokerstars asks this:

- Did the user do the correct mouse movement?

- If he did, does our 'RNG' give him AA?

If both sources are used it stands to reason that while the 'correct' mouse movement wouldn't guarantee you AA, an incorrect mouse movement would guarantee you don't get AA. So you could still increase the frequency that you are dealt AA, if you know the correct movement to perform.

No. Click the link and read the bit on how the random bitstream is converted to random numbers, and how that is then used to perform a shuffle.

NO. What 'stands to reason' in your world is the gibbering of the insane over here in the real world.

Straight from the Pokerstars website:

We use 249 random bits from both entropy sources (user input and quantum randomness) to achieve an even and unpredictable statistical distribution.

So half of what determines what cards you are dealt depends on your own input (i.e. mouse movements). I'm sure I cannot be the only one to realise how horrendously exploitable this would be if someone knew the correct mouse movement for AA.

The RNG isn't truly random if it can be affected by mouse movements - because players can just do the same movement each time.