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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

03-12-2014 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmostShark
yeah I guess you're right. Better just post my allin equity over about 500 tourneys.

http://prntscr.com/304bj1
http://prntscr.com/304bw1


So I "should" be winning 4.78x more is this right ? Isn't this immensily high ?
Filter for sngs please. Shouldn't take a genius to realize that having sngs where you can only win 8 starting stacks per game (assuming you talk 9-man sngs) and a mtt where you can win hundreds of starting stacks in a single hand don't belong in the same graph for chip equity. You have seen how much your freeroll bink screwed up the y-axis, haven't you? And still did not get the idea to filter it out (and the other mtts also of course, it's easy)?

Also, 4.78x is not the way you measure it, because this alone basically gives no information. If you have 1000 chips starting stacks, and are expected to win 4780 chips after 500 games, but really only win 1000, then that says nothing. Because this difference is explainable by one single bad beat hand, thus isn't "immensly high". Shouldn't also take a genius to figure that one out.

500 sngs isn't much of a sample at all (even world class players happen to have 1000+ game downswings caused by variance alone), but if you were expecting to win 478k chips and only won 100k or something remotely similar, then I'd say it's worth to look closer at your data. I honestly can't tell anything, because you weren't smart enough to filter your data as explained above.

Also, your tracker has the ability to graph "expected $ won" compared to "$ won", and that is the only somewhat accurate way to judge if you did run bad over a sample or not. You can lose all your chips and win money in the same sng, that means you run worse than expected concerning chips, and still better than expected concerning money in said sng. That's why chip ev is indeed meaningless.
Just assume you come in second for every 9 man sng you play. Your roi is a whopping 180% or something, while running horrible in chip ev.

You surely realized by now that an average IQ absolutely should suffice to understand all that by simply thinking through the question "How can I post a meaningful graph?", but oh well.

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Originally Posted by AlmostShark
1- This are SNG's not MTT. This only has like 4 MTT's here

And, as explained, it's dumb to have both in the same graph.

2- I've been playing $0.35, not moving up with $50 roll even with all the badbeats.

A little over the top, but better your bankroll is too big than too small. Sngs have immense, frequently underestimated variance.


3- Is it that hard to accept PROOF that you guys were asking for that this is unlikely ? Pls stop giving excuses and admit this is weird. What is proof for you anyway ?

Proof would be something like running with a 5 SD deviation from the mean over a meaningful sample, and that's not what we guys demand, it is what mathematically educated people worldwide would demand. Wiki helps, if you want to check or understand (You'd be the first riggie looking it up, so I don't hold my breath on that one).

4- Thanks for trying to help

YW

Last edited by franxic; 03-12-2014 at 05:40 PM.
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03-12-2014 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
I have friends and instructors that crush 5/10 and beat the highest games online that admit to making errors every session.

Badbeat and AlmostShark struggle beating NL2 and .35c S&Gs and believe they play perfect poker every hand.
Your post just confirms their "theory", obviously.
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03-12-2014 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Your post just confirms their "theory", obviously.
Touche
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03-12-2014 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Vestboy_Myst
1) nobody believes that anybody plays perfectly.
2) come on, ALMOST perfectly at best. you're still only an ALMOSTshark
No, I were AlmostShark when I created account here and this forum is so rigged that it doesn't allow me to change nickname or even say ****
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03-12-2014 , 08:32 PM
Create a new posting account, and remember to vote often in the thread like many riggies do.

You guys are not to good at working around pretty easy systems.

All the best.
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03-12-2014 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by suitedandzooted



I should of said
destined to be booted out of the mensa club.
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03-12-2014 , 08:45 PM
Hi Monteroy .


Wanna add day rig to ure list ?

Im feeling that after a good day session i instantly
get limited on gains . maybe im with stupido dunno

why dont i send to u my 2 last days so u can
see the absurd day to day change in rng behaviour , maybe i succumbed
to paranoia that natural variance can give , but at least im not hiding my play so i challenge u to watch my data from last 2 days and if u find it absurd i can give u all my data because its always the same **** , if u find it normal hey u can have a laugh and add another one to ure collection
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03-12-2014 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You guys have been acute on pointing out how obtuse that person is, even though I admit I never had the reflex to read what he believes is straight and right.

Sorry for the angle shoot...
http://youtu.be/obFHu7DCsEs
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03-12-2014 , 09:14 PM
Everyone fuzzy on stats should watch an episode of Through the Wormhole called "Is Luck Real?" for some good basic stat explanations.
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03-12-2014 , 09:16 PM
i did watch
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03-12-2014 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmostShark
18% ROI
http://youtu.be/0jclqrdZ-Os
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03-13-2014 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
I have friends and instructors that crush 5/10 and beat the highest games online that admit to making errors every session.

Badbeat and AlmostShark struggle beating NL2 and .35c S&Gs and believe they play perfect poker every hand.

Gotta love it.
While there is always some room for improvement, my play is for all intents are purposes perfect among those at the microstakes.

Likely some 100nl players and above play better, but I've honestly never seen anyone I considered equal or better at poker than me at the micros.
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03-13-2014 , 02:56 AM
BBED, you posted hands played terribad enough to safely say that is a very wrong statement. Think about that one.
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03-13-2014 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by franxic
BBED, you posted hands played terribad enough to safely say that is a very wrong statement. Think about that one.
None of the hands I've posted ITT were played badly. Villain sucked out or coolered me every time.
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03-13-2014 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
While there is always some room for improvement, my play is for all intents are purposes perfect among those at the microstakes.

Likely some 100nl players and above play better, but I've honestly never seen anyone I considered equal or better at poker than me at the micros.
Bold is probably the biggest understatement in this thread.
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03-13-2014 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
None of the hands I've posted ITT were played badly. Villain sucked out or coolered me every time.
How about reinventing your gimmick. This one is getting stale.
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03-13-2014 , 12:39 PM
In general the RNg deals the same amount of beats to everyone. WHat should be exposed is the sites ability to effect dealings and card distribution short term to selected players at will.Some players simply seem to get an easier ride than others
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03-13-2014 , 12:46 PM
and how exactly do they determine who deserves the boomswitch?
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03-13-2014 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
Some players simply seem to get an easier ride than others
When you're dealing with literally millions of players on hundreds of different sites, of course this is going to happen. It's basic statistics.
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03-13-2014 , 01:19 PM
I love how he just takes statements that are obviously true, i.e.

"In the short term, some players are luckier than others."

and tries to use them as evidence of rigging.
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03-13-2014 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
When you're dealing with dozens of players on any site, of course this is going to happen. It's basic statistics.
fyp
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03-13-2014 , 02:00 PM
Dozens will just confuse them, and make them continue to believe they're beautiful unique snowflakes. I'm leaning more towards Carl Sagan.
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03-13-2014 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
None of the hands I've posted ITT were played badly. Villain sucked out or coolered me every time.
Like calling a massive overbet with K9 on a AK9xA board? Right.

That is lolbad enough to safely assume that you are nowhere near as good as an average micro grinder.
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03-13-2014 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Dozens will just confuse them, and make them continue to believe they're beautiful unique snowflakes. I'm leaning more towards Carl Sagan.
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03-13-2014 , 02:35 PM
yo futballer, how about getting a basic understanding of randomness and statistics instead of making dumb statements and diffaming the people who have?

Still unable to show your "interesting spikes of variance", liar? You know how to post a pic, surprisingly enough.

See, if hundreds of your kind failed to prove a rig, there's two possibilities: There is no rig (you're idiots), or you are too dumb to prove it (you are even mindblowingly dumber idiots). Or is there a third option?
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