Playing 'losing' poker would only delay the inevitable. The only winner in the end is Pokerstars.

If you play winning poker, your account soon gets put on a list of accoutns that isnt allowed to win. This ensures you'll never take money off the site.

The donks on the other hand are allowed to win - for a bit. Because Pokerstars know donks don't cash out, a donk might be allowed to move up from 2nl all the way to 50nl. If he still doesn't cash out, Pokerstars will let him move up limits further.

However no one ever has too much money in their account. I'm not sure what this figure is, it probably varies between different accounts based on deposit amounts. Because even a massive donk, if he ends up with $100k in his account, may well cash out. Stars don't want this.

Instead they have superusers on every level of the game. These superusers work for Pokerstars and their sole purpose is to funnel customer money to the site. Not even the donks are allowed to beat these people.

The way it goes is the solid player loses money to the donk. The donk then loses money to the superusers. The only winner is Pokerstars.

In this way, the donks winrate can be positive, as the site will allow him to take more off the solid players than he will lose to the superusers. So the donk stays on the site. The solid player loses money faster, as he's losing money to both the donks and the superusers.

But at the end of the day no one makes significant money except Pokerstars. The guys playing high stakes who post graphs showing they have made a lot of money all work for Pokerstars or are sponsored by them. Pokerstars allows them to win as they're good for getting donks to sign up (i.e. the donk thinks 'see, WCGrider made millions last year, so I'm going to sign up and do the same').

But for all you guys at the lower levels - Stars is the only one who is making money in the end. Sure they might allow you a $500 cashout now and then, but they'll take it back with interest later. The only way to make significant, life changing sums of money through poker is to work for Pokerstars or get sponsored by them, or play live poker where it's not rigged.

I imagine most riggie theories come from low skilled players who can't beat equal or lesser skilled players in the micros.

Has there ever been a high stakes riggie? Someone similar to that I7AXA dude who donked off all his Millions winning. Not saying he cried rig.

Yes, in this entire thread there has yet to be a riggie that posted hands that werent totally butchered.

Its possible, but in general, players so weak minded wont be successful at even small stakes.

I think one riggie posted a winning graph at NL5 or something with a marginal like 60k sample size though fwiw.

I am a highly skilled player and I think it's rigged.

Yo Playing 'losing' poker would only delay da inevitable. da only winner in da end iz Pokerstars.

If you play winning poker, yo' account soon gets put on uh list o' accoutns dat ain't allowed ta win. dis here ensures you'll never take money off da site.

da donks on da other hand is allowed ta win - fo' uh bit. cuz Pokerstars know donks don' cash out, uh donk might be allowed ta move up from 2nl all da way ta 50nl. If he still don' cash out, Pokerstars will let him move up limits further.

However nahh one ever has too much money in they account. ah'm not sho what dis here figure iz, it prob'ly varies between different accounts based on deposit amounts. cuz even uh massive donk, if he ends up wif $100k in his account, may well cash out. Stars don' wants dis here.

Instead dey gots superusers on every level o' da game. deez superusers werk fo' Pokerstars an' they sole purpose iz ta funnel customer money ta da ite. Not even da donks is allowed ta beat deez ******.

da way it goes iz da solid player loses money ta da donk. da donk then loses money ta da superusers. da only winner iz Pokerstars.

In dis here way, da donks winrate can be positive, as da site will allow him ta make mo' off da solid players than he will lost ta da superusers. So da donk stays on the site. da solid player loses money daster, as he's losing money ta bof da donks an' da superusers.

But at da end o' da day nahh one makes significant money except Pokerstars. da pimpz playing high stakes who post graphs showing dey gots made uh lot o' money all werk fo' Pokerstars or is sponsored by dem. Pokerstars allows dem ta win as dey're pimp-tight fo' getting donks ta sign up (ah.e. da donk thinks 'see, WCGrider made millions last year, so ah'm going ta sign up an' do da same').

But fo' all you pimpz at da lower levels - Stars iz da only one who iz making money in da end. sho dey might allow you uh $500 cashout now an' then, but dey'll take it back wif interest later. da only way ta make significant, life changing sums o' money through poker iz ta werk fo' Pokerstars or git sponsored by dem, or play live poker where it's not rigged and ****.

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This is a somewhat basic summary I guess. Good players lose and bad players win.




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I see .... if i get 100K in my account, they will start taking it. Good thing I periodically cashed out and never had $100K in any one account.

Oh ... and I'm pretty convinced now that BadBeatEveryDay is a troll.

No one is that dumb.

And no one is that egotistical while being that awful.



"So, WCGrider" made millions?"


Perhaps you recall the name wrong. Perhaps you mean Douglas Polk (who had a screen name close to that), who now is one of the best No Limit Holdem players in the world. He is better than you. Probably almost infinitely so (which is supposed to be almost mathematically impossible).

It makes perfect sense if you'd just keep an open mind.

Does the presence of people who have made a lot of money from poker not entice more donks to sign up?

Do you think as many donks would sign up if they knew they would only ever win a couple of hundred dollars, tops?

No, the donk signs up in the hope of been the next Phil Ivey and hitting it big. Sure some might sign up because they just like poker, but deep down everyone looks at the winnings of the 'top' players and wants to earn as much as they do from the game. I know if I could earn what WCGrider or Jungleman etc did from poker, I'd snap quit my job tommorow, grind for a few years, then retire to a tropical beach with a hot babe on each arm. It's that illusion that draws people in. That's why Pokerstars allow them to earn money - it's good for the site in the long run. It's the same reason why donks often win the Sunday Million - Pokerstars can run advertising based off the 'new guy who took a shot and changed his life'.

I'm not an awful player, and I know if it weren't for the rig I would easily be beating 100nl or 200nl. From looking round the Pokerstars lobby, I know I'm probably the best player at the micros and my poker thinking is on a very high level. Now how do you reconcile this with my inability to beat 2nl, if there is not a rig?

Sorry, I can't read that much BS or TS (I just invented TS), right now. In general I reconcile your inability to win with you being a not winning player. That seems simpler than creating large international conspiracies that target you personally .... and as you play the lowest stakes available.

Without doubt I'm a winning player in a non-rigged environment. I always win when I play live, for instance.

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Yeah I mean the screename of the guy who used to post here who ended up making a packet. Name was WCGRider I think.

He's probably a good player which allowed him to get noticed by Pokerstars to begin with. It helps immeasurably to be on the Pokerstars list of accounts that are allowed to win though. If he wasn't on that list he would be a losing player.

Well, I always win at scratchoffs.



Plus one time I won the Megamillions. I just lost the ticket.

it makes perfect sense if thou'd just keep an open mind.

dost the presence of people who hast made a lot of ****** from poker not entice moo donks to sign up?

doth thou think as many donks would sign up if they knew they would only ev'r win a couple of hundr'd dollars, tops?

nay, the donk signs up in the hope of been the next phil ivey and hitting it big. sure some might sign up because they just like poker, but deep down everyone looks at the winnings of the 'top' players and wants to earn as much as they doth from the game. i wot if i couldst earn what wcgrider 'r jungleman etc did from poker, i'd snap quit mine job tommorow, grind f'r a few years, then retire to a tropical beach with a hot babe on each arm. it's that illusion that draws people in. that's wherefore pokerstars allow them to earn ****** - it's good f'r the site in the long run. it's the same reason wherefore donks oft win the sunday million - pokerstars can run advertising bas'd off the 'new guy who took a shot and chang'd his life'.

i'm not an awful player, and i wot if it weren't f'r the rig i would easily be beating 100nl 'r 200nl. from looking round the pokerstars lobby, i wot i'm belike the best player at the micros and mine poker thinking is on a very high level. anon how doth thou reconcile this with mine inability to beat 2nl, if thither is not a rig?

without doubt i'm a winning player in a non-rigg'd environment. i always win when i play live, f'r instance.

Go look it up and make sure. Report back.


Maybe he isn't a good player. I look forward to your analysis of Doug Polk's play.

[QUOTE=BadBeatEveryDay;42467737]the best player at the micros and my poker thinking is on a very high level.QUOTE]

Pushing the flop with second pair against 2 or more players is micro gaming thinking.

I've no interest in looking through hands he's played, not that this would even be possible without access to his Pokertracker/Holdem manager data.

He's probably a good player. Maybe even very good. But I'm saying that it helps hugely that he's got a deal with Pokerstars that allows him to win.

It's along the same lines of you could be the best player at the WSOP main event, but if you get dealt 72o every hand you're not going to cash, let alone make the final table. Doug Polk has the advantage of knowing he's got a deal with Stars that allows him to win, and many of his opponents do not.

I've no doubt the guy would beat live play too but he's definitely got an artificial edge on his opponents online created by Pokerstars.

I had truckloads of equity in that hand. Would have had fold equity if the villains weren't such donks, plus I could have hit my trips, or an ace for 2 pair.

I see. So, you have no idea who he is ... is that correct?

I know he's made an absolute load of money from poker? And used to post strategy on 2+2 a few years ago? I don't follow the guys personal life or whatever.

Do you think that it's not good for Pokerstars that a few people like him exist? People they can point at and say 'look, he's become a millionaire by playing on our site, you can too' are hugely profitable as loads of donks will sign up hoping to hit it big.

I do not think his existence is particularly good for PokerStars.



(And can you point to one advertisement he was featured in?)




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And are you know retracting your claim that he only wins online because PokerStars rigs games in his favor? Or is that still your thought?

No I can't point to any but I'm sure it's happened. Besides even if it hasn't, just the mere presence of players who have won a lot of money on the site entice new players to join up, as they hope they can hit it big like he did.

This is why Pokerstars employs all the high stakes winners currently on their site. It looks good for the site if a few people are making a lot of money. That's a lot more interesting to a donk than a whole load of people grinding out $2000 a month in their spare time to supplement their income. Pokerstars wants a few people to win big (this is the 'cheese' that encourages the donk to sign up) and a whole load of people losing (as this makes money for the site).

This is why you never make significant money unless you work for or are sponsored by Pokerstars. For instance, every winning player at 50nl currently is only a temporary winning player - Stars will take all the money, in time.

I'm not retracting anything. The guy is probably a good player in his own right, and like myself, would beat a non-rigged game at a good rate.

But if he wasn't on the Stars 'list' he wouldn't be winning, as skill is irrelevant if you're not on their list of accounts that are allowed to make money. Because Stars is a rigged site.

Obviously. That is why all sites try to sign movie stars, models, athletes, etc. They are all amazing at poker and win a bunch of money (or maybe the sites rig it in their favor ... wink, so now they won a lot at poker).

I saw Matt Damon hit it big (maybe) actually ... now that I think about it, they kinda left that open ended. Well, I know I saw Matt Damon lose it all ... then win some back. he got the crap kicked out of him at some point. I think he had some money at the end of it all.


Say "CHEESE".

How would you feel if I told you that he doesn't play on PokerStars?

Sites frequently sponsor people who binked large poker tournaments. Why do they do this? To show the donk that it's possible to make big money in poker, so they should deposit right away!

Why are the likes of Ivey, Helmuth etc all sponsored?

Course he plays on Pokerstars. All the high stakes action is on Stars nowadays.

You didn't say "CHEESE".



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Also, out of mild curiosity, what does "sponsor" (in this context) mean in your head?

You know, sponsor like the guys who wear the full tilt/pokerstars caps. They get given money to wear this stuff in live tourneys plus get paid to play on the site.

You're focusing on tiny details here when what really matters is the big picture. That you can't win significant money on Stars unless Stars wants you to. You need to have your account set to a special setting (i.e. the 'boomswitch'). If you're a donk you'll be put on the donk switch automatically which allows you to beat the solid players but not the Pokerstars superusers. The true elite, i.e. those on the Pokerstars 'boomswitch' won't ever play any superusers but are still allowed to beat the solid players.

So when is your "brother/sister/mum" going to create an account and start playing at this level, quickly making more money than you have ever made in all your micro hands ever?