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03-09-2014 , 08:53 PM
post the # hands played
your money won
your ev-line

or just post your graph. online poker is not rigged and playing a lot of hands can + a downswing may let it look like its rigged but it really isn't. you have to always try to make the decision you think is the best and ignore luck. also when you get bad beaten you tend to remember that rather than the time you sucked out (memory bias)

if you're a good player you will be winning sooner or later and complaining about suck-out isn't the way to improve

edit: and also if you're a long-term winner, luck does still exist so good BRM is a MUST
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03-10-2014 , 12:27 AM
The new player boomswitch is still alive and well on Pokerstars. I get dealt AA, raise it to 7x BB to try and get the fish out of the pot pre, and get called by this massive donkey in the SB.

I should have known right then the pot would end up his.

Flop is J42. Donkey does a mindonk. I raise him 3/4 pot. Donkey calls.

Turn is a 2. Donkey does another mindonk. I push all in. Donkey calls.

The donkey has 52o for trips!!!! He calls a 7x raise pre with that garbage, then a big flop bet.

Whenever I play on Pokerstars nowadays I always make my standard raise at least 5x the big blind to try and make sure the fish don't call and I won't get sucked out on. But they ALWAYS call and always suck out. They're impossible to escape from and they're aided by a rig that ensures they never lose. Either that, or they already know what the 5 community cards are going to be because they're superusers who work for Pokerstars. It's ridiculous.

I am truly sick of playing alongside fish. It's just BS the way they are helped by the site all the time. KK never wins any pots against fish. Either an ace comes on the flop, or the donkey gets trips, two pair, or a set.
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03-10-2014 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
The new player boomswitch is still alive and well on Pokerstars. I get dealt AA, raise it to 7x BB to try and get the fish out of the pot pre, and get called by this massive donkey in the SB.
Because screw logic right?

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I should have known right then the pot would end up his.

Flop is J42. Donkey does a mindonk. I raise him 3/4 pot. Donkey calls.

Turn is a 2. Donkey does another mindonk. I push all in. Donkey calls.

The donkey has 52o for trips!!!! He calls a 7x raise pre with that garbage, then a big flop bet.
If you new he was going to win it why are you betting and shoving it it in when hes going to win?

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Whenever I play on Pokerstars nowadays I always make my standard raise at least 5x the big blind to try and make sure the fish don't call and I won't get sucked out on. But they ALWAYS call and always suck out. They're impossible to escape from and they're aided by a rig that ensures they never lose. Either that, or they already know what the 5 community cards are going to be because they're superusers who work for Pokerstars. It's ridiculous.
Why would you want the fish to fold? They don't always suckout.

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I am truly sick of playing alongside fish just like me. It's just BS the way I miss play hands all the time. KK never wins any pots against fish. Either an ace comes on the flop, or the donkey gets trips, two pair, or a set and I pay them off because I'm not that good
Fixed your post for you. No need to thank me.
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03-10-2014 , 08:28 AM
bad luck on the AA hand, move on now
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03-10-2014 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I get dealt AA, raise it to 7x BB to try and get the fish out of the pot pre.
You really should be posting in the beginner's forum. Statements like this show you just don't even get the basics. Start with the F.T.O.P.

Wanting to take down the blinds with AA is a terrible play.

Last edited by NewOldGuy; 03-10-2014 at 08:43 AM.
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03-10-2014 , 01:47 PM
Trolling gets you banned pretty quickly in BQ, so BBED is playing it "smart" by not posting there.
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03-10-2014 , 02:32 PM
Almost everytime I am dealt jj-kk on Pokerstars an ace flops. Why is this? It feels as though Pokerstars RNG is manipulated. Fellow players will agree.
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03-10-2014 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
Almost everytime I am dealt jj-kk on Pokerstars an ace flops.
It probably happens about 22.6% of the time.
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03-10-2014 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
It probably happens about 22.6% of the time.
You would know since a majority of your posts are either in the rigged thread or other threads relating to riggery and odds for online software. Are you directly employed to post here by Pokersite(s)
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03-10-2014 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
It probably happens about 22.6% of the time.
Live, sure. I have had 4 pairs of jj-kk so far today and all 4 have had ace flops. This is the norm and standard on Pokersatars so not sure when real odds kick in. I am certain you and the other shill/proppers working today can shed some light.
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03-10-2014 , 03:18 PM
SSS
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03-10-2014 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
You would know since a majority of your posts are either in the rigged thread or other threads relating to riggery and odds for online software. Are you directly employed to post here by Pokersite(s)
He knows cause he knows his math and statistics
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03-10-2014 , 03:32 PM
Looking back over the years, it's pretty clear there are shills or prop posters here to varying degrees, I don't think the mods can even disagree, look at newguy and where he posts, Otatop ECT! Now who is to say it is limited to these this forum and not the tables to generate rake.
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03-10-2014 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
You would know since a majority of your posts are either in the rigged thread or other threads relating to riggery and odds for online software. Are you directly employed to post here by Pokersite(s)
Actually only 25% of my posts are in threads like that, and it's because you guys are sometimes entertaining and always easy to pwn. In this particular thread I've averaged 136 posts PER YEAR. So yeah I'm getting paid, you imbecile.

And I'm sure you have no idea how to look at people's post counts in particular threads, but it's on the site.
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03-10-2014 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
Looking back over the years, it's pretty clear there are shills or prop posters here to varying degrees, I don't think the mods can even disagree, look at newguy and where he posts, Otatop ECT!
If having ~30% of your posts ITT is all it takes to be judged a shill, then clearly someone like yourself who continues to make new usernames to post in here constantly has to be a shill, right?
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Now who is to say it is limited to these this forum and not the tables to generate rake.
How does it benefit any site to have someone call their players morons or explain simple mathematics to them?
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03-10-2014 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
I don't think the mods can even disagree
Of course we can, but closed-minded individuals like you will never believe us, so what's the point?
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03-10-2014 , 05:09 PM
Are you saying BoBo there are no prop posters in this thread and this forum? Are you saying that posters like new guy and Otatop have no affiliation to the sites?
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03-10-2014 , 05:21 PM
I know I said I wouldn't play tournaments again but I ended up signing up for one anyway on Pokerstars.

Right on the bubble, I was the short stack and seriously needed a double up. I'm in the big blind, and the small blind raises. He's been doing that with basically ATC, one of those dickhead blind stealers. So I push all in, given I only had 10BB left and any king is ahead of his range.

He calls, and has 89s. Now I'm a favourite here, but what happens? A 9 comes on the flop and I'm out of the tournament.

It's got to the point I don't think it can be seriously denied that Pokerstars is rigged. The question now is what should be done about it.

Personally I think those in charge of Pokerstars need to be brought before the courts to answer for this large scale ripping off of their players. And if found guilty, they should be sent to prison. This is really nothing less than theft, people sign up expecting to play real poker but instead Pokerstars has already decided who is going to win the tournament before it begins.

They must owe us all hundreds of millions by now that we've been cheated out of by this fraud.

Last edited by BadBeatEveryDay; 03-10-2014 at 05:28 PM.
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03-10-2014 , 05:46 PM
My question was obviously loaded as this thread is littered with them
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03-10-2014 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
Are you saying BoBo there are no prop posters in this thread and this forum? Are you saying that posters like new guy and Otatop have no affiliation to the sites?
I know there have been shills for sites posting in the forums from time to time, and there will be again, but that usually takes place in threads dedicated to the sites they are trying to promote. This would be an extremely terrible thread to pay someone to post in; money very poorly spent IMO.

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My question was obviously loaded as this thread is littered with them
Evidence?

Hahahahahahahaha. Like that would ever happen.
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03-10-2014 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by superfire444
if you're so good why not do this test and post a screenshot of your score (otherwise you can easily lie)

http://www.testyourpoker.com/poker/

my score was 125
I got a 138. Test must be bogus.
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03-10-2014 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
Are you saying BoBo there are no prop posters in this thread and this forum? Are you saying that posters like new guy and Otatop have no affiliation to the sites?
I'll answer this one for you by saying that I'm not affiliated with any online poker sites, and that includes things like poker related websites/podcasts/forums, etc.
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03-10-2014 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
Almost everytime I am dealt jj-kk on Pokerstars an ace flops. Why is this? It feels as though Pokerstars RNG is manipulated. Fellow players will agree.
Players who check their hand histories won't agree.

How do you think your credibility is affected by not bothering to verify your claims when it would be very easy to do?

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I know I said I wouldn't play tournaments again but I ended up signing up for one anyway on Pokerstars.

Right on the bubble...
All the hands you won getting to the bubble were down to your brilliant play but the hand you lose was rigging. Of course.

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

Personally I think those in charge of Pokerstars need to be brought before the courts to answer for this large scale ripping off of their players. And if found guilty, they should be sent to prison.
I think you should be brought before the courts for what you do every weekend. You know what I'm talking about, don't make me tell everyone.
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03-10-2014 , 06:07 PM
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All the hands you won getting to the bubble were down to your brilliant play but the hand you lose was rigging. Of course.
Seems a bit strange I went out just before I won any money though, doesn't it?

I'll tell you what really happened. Pokerstars wants to keep me away from the cash games, as they know I am better than everyone else there and they don't want me to win. So they allow me to progress further than normal in the tournament in order to waste my time and mean I won't spend as long on their cash games. But they don't want me to actually win any money since that's all been reserved for fish. So they bust me out right on the bubble.

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Originally Posted by otatop
I'll answer this one for you by saying that I'm not affiliated with any online poker sites, and that includes things like poker related websites/podcasts/forums, etc.
BS, you are a totally obvious shill. You try and silence the truth about rigging in this thread all the time.
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03-10-2014 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Seems a bit strange I went out just before I won any money though, doesn't it?

I'll tell you what really happened. Pokerstars wants to keep me away from the cash games, as they know I am better than everyone else there and they don't want me to win. So they allow me to progress further than normal in the tournament in order to waste my time and mean I won't spend as long on their cash games. But they don't want me to actually win any money since that's all been reserved for fish. So they bust me out right on the bubble.



BS, you are a totally obvious shill. You try and silence the truth about rigging in this thread all the time.
LOL. I love the fact that you think that Pokerstars has a conspiracy against you. Especially one that results in them making less money than if there were no conspiracy.
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