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03-07-2014 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SengioKang
does any good player win on this site without binking their face off?
Yes, every good player wins on Lock.

They might not be able to cashout, but thats a different story.
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03-07-2014 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I had top pair so all the money was going into that pot anyway in the long run. I just sped it up a bit and shock horror, I'd been setmined like I always am when I get a pocket pair.

I might come across as arrogant saying I'm the best micro player on Pokerstars, but as Muhammad Ali once said, 'it's not bragging if you can back it up'. And in my time at the tables I've seen enough that I am convinced there's not a single player on Pokerstars microstakes that is better than me. I've never felt outplayed by anyone. I feel I've outplayed just about everyone I sit at the table with. If it wasn't for the rig my winrate would be in the double digits of bb/100.

When I first started playing like 9 to 10 years ago I mainly played tournaments and when I played some cash games live with some guys I knew we generally played with like 20ish big blind stacks. When I first started playing cash games online with 100 big blind stacks, I also would get all-in when I flopped top pair a lot. One of the first things I had to learn was that just because I flop top pair does not mean I should necessarily be getting all-in and in fact most of the time I shouldn't be.




I don't know for sure whether you are real. Either way, it is kinda funny watching you horribly misplay almost every hand (if not every) that you post (seeming to be mostly 2NL hands) while simultaneously claiming to be the best microstakes (said stakes being defined by 2+2 as 2NL through 50NL) player on PokerStars.




EDIT:

By the way, in that JT hand, the flop is almost definitely a call. If the stack sizes are quite shallow, then a shove could be alright, but other than that it is a call.
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03-07-2014 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I had top pair so all the money was going into that pot anyway in the long run. I just sped it up a bit and shock horror, I'd been setmined like I always am when I get a pocket pair.

I might come across as arrogant saying I'm the best micro player on Pokerstars, but as Muhammad Ali once said, 'it's not bragging if you can back it up'. And in my time at the tables I've seen enough that I am convinced there's not a single player on Pokerstars microstakes that is better than me. I've never felt outplayed by anyone. I feel I've outplayed just about everyone I sit at the table with. If it wasn't for the rig my winrate would be in the double digits of bb/100.
think about this: how can you be the best microstakes player on pokerstars while
1. you aren't even winning
2. some people at 2nl are confirmed to be winners
3. every hand you post here gets many responses saying you should drop the ego and actually improve because you're actually donating money

ps: muhammad ali could back it up, you can't/didn't so drop the act

fun fact: i used to think i was a big player crushing everyone and calling everyone a fish. once i realized i'm actually pretty terrible i stopped calling people fish but used my energy to find leaks in their game and respect them (even though they are fish) and i stopped cursing pokerstars was rigged and read beginner questions and watched vids and talked in a skype group AND ACTUALLY STARTED WINNING
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03-07-2014 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
When I first started playing like 9 to 10 years ago I mainly played tournaments and when I played some cash games live with some guys I knew we generally played with like 20ish big blind stacks. When I first started playing cash games online with 100 big blind stacks, I also would get all-in when I flopped top pair a lot. One of the first things I had to learn was that just because I flop top pair does not mean I should necessarily be getting all-in and in fact most of the time I shouldn't be.




I don't know for sure whether you are real. Either way, it is kinda funny watching you horribly misplay almost every hand (if not every) that you post (seeming to be mostly 2NL hands) while simultaneously claiming to be the best microstakes (said stakes being defined by 2+2 as 2NL through 50NL) player on PokerStars.




EDIT:

By the way, in that JT hand, the flop is almost definitely a call. If the stack sizes are quite shallow, then a shove could be alright, but other than that it is a call.
I see the fish stacking off with bottom and middle pair all the time so top pair should be an easy get it in. But whenever I do this THEY ALWAYS HAVE IT. It's just so rigged it's obvious PS has it in for me.

The ONLY reason I can't beat microstakes is because of PS rigging the deal against me. I hardly ever win big pots and rarely get paid off when I flop something good. It can't be variance because other players get paid off. My account has a doomswitch placed on it for some reason.

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Originally Posted by superfire444
think about this: how can you be the best microstakes player on pokerstars while
1. you aren't even winning
2. some people at 2nl are confirmed to be winners
3. every hand you post here gets many responses saying you should drop the ego and actually improve because you're actually donating money
1) I'm only not winning because it's rigged.
2) Yes, the donks win. Because of the rig.
3) The hands I posted were played fine and my game is already rock solid. What I need is someone independent to take a look at Pokerstars software and so give us hard evidence of this rig all solid players are experiencing.

Just go into a Stars 2nl lobby and ask the players if it's rigged. At least half will say it is.
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03-07-2014 , 08:13 PM
1) you're not winning because you are fishfood
2) some people actually win because they play well (for 2nl) and are better than opponents
3) if you play so rock solid shouldn't you be winning money? and don't give me the rig bs again. you getting it in with the first hand time after time after time should ring a bell. the thing is your ego is so big that you cannot accept that you are a bad player and therefor thing the site is rigged (while many players, even confirmed good players, win at)

btw why not ask the 200nl lobby and ask players if its rigged. bet you get a whole different response
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03-07-2014 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by superfire444
1) you're not winning because you are fishfood
2) some people actually win because they play well (for 2nl) and are better than opponents
3) if you play so rock solid shouldn't you be winning money? and don't give me the rig bs again. you getting it in with the first hand time after time after time should ring a bell. the thing is your ego is so big that you cannot accept that you are a bad player and therefor thing the site is rigged (while many players, even confirmed good players, win at)

btw why not ask the 200nl lobby and ask players if its rigged. bet you get a whole different response
'That rig BS' is the only reason I am not making money. There's no point in asking 200nl players if Pokerstars is rigged as they are likely the accounts with boomswitches who won money at the limits below and so were able to move up. Of course they'll attribute all that to skill rather than the system been rigged in their favour.

Pokerstars does not want you to win money. Pokerstars wants the donks to win money, never forget it. Solid players are an annoyance to them as they cash out, donks just keep the money deposited with Pokerstars. Pokerstars wants donks with lots of money in their accounts. Pokerstars wants donks to win the Sunday Million so they can advertise it to other donks and say 'look, this could be you as well!'. Pokerstars is run for the donks.
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03-07-2014 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
'That rig BS' is the only reason I am not making money. There's no point in asking 200nl players if Pokerstars is rigged as they are likely the accounts with boomswitches who won money at the limits below and so were able to move up. Of course they'll attribute all that to skill rather than the system been rigged in their favour.

Pokerstars does not want you to win money. Pokerstars wants the donks to win money, never forget it. Solid players are an annoyance to them as they cash out, donks just keep the money deposited with Pokerstars. Pokerstars wants donks with lots of money in their accounts. Pokerstars wants donks to win the Sunday Million so they can advertise it to other donks and say 'look, this could be you as well!'. Pokerstars is run for the donks.
guess i'm a donk then.......

no but in all seriousness you actually have 2 choice!

1. keep complaining about the rig and never ever in a million years be a winning player

2. try to say "k im losing lets try to see what i do wrong". try to look at other people posting hand histories and discuss and see it from their perspective. you may win! you got nothing to lose and everything to gain so why wouldn't you try it? (and i mean for many hands not 1k)

Spoiler:
i'm taking bets which # he's taking
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03-07-2014 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by superfire444
guess i'm a donk then.......

no but in all seriousness you actually have 2 choice!

1. keep complaining about the rig and never ever in a million years be a winning player

2. try to say "k im losing lets try to see what i do wrong". try to look at other people posting hand histories and discuss and see it from their perspective. you may win! you got nothing to lose and everything to gain so why wouldn't you try it? (and i mean for many hands not 1k)

Spoiler:
i'm taking bets which # he's taking
I don't need to 'try' anything new, I already know the game is rigged. There's mountains of evidence posted online for this to be the case - just type into google 'online poker rigged' or go to youtube and type the same, and you'll see all the evidence you need. The only people who deny it are site shills who don't want the donks to stop playing.
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03-07-2014 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I don't need to 'try' anything new, I already know the game is rigged. There's mountains of evidence posted online for this to be the case - just type into google 'online poker rigged' or go to youtube and type the same, and you'll see all the evidence you need. The only people who deny it are site shills who don't want the donks to stop playing.
to be honest i couldn't care less if you continue to play or not.

by the way if you know it's rigged you probably know how its rigged yet you're not able to exploit it????? you aren't the smartest kid in here
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03-07-2014 , 08:56 PM
Online was rigged yesterday, I lost.
But it seems to be fair today, I won.

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03-07-2014 , 09:52 PM
if that dude is really a troll then he's a sick & twisted mad uber genius. a phantom. a false prophet fooling & shaking the core of all mankind to it's knees. a beelzebubba of magnanimous proportions.
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03-07-2014 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
1) I'm only not winning because it's rigged.
2) Yes, the donks win. Because of the rig.
If you start beating the difficult 2NL games then according to you - you will then be a donk.


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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Pokerstars does not want you to win money. Pokerstars wants the donks to win money, never forget it. Solid players are an annoyance to them as they cash out, donks just keep the money deposited with Pokerstars. Pokerstars wants donks with lots of money in their accounts. Pokerstars wants donks to win the Sunday Million so they can advertise it to other donks and say 'look, this could be you as well!'. Pokerstars is run for the donks.
Have someone else create an account and then you play on it like a donk and win lots of money. Be sure to play the Sunday Million and win it. Easy exploit.

All the best.
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03-07-2014 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
The only people who deny it are site shills who don't want the donks to stop playing.
If shills want donks to keep playing, and the sites are rigging it for the donks so they win more, then the shills should want everyone to know this.

So, I guess...you're the shill?
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03-07-2014 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
If you start beating the difficult 2NL games then according to you - you will then be a donk.




Have someone else create an account and then you play on it like a donk and win lots of money. Be sure to play the Sunday Million and win it. Easy exploit.

All the best.
There's more than 1 donk that plays the Sunday Million. Pokerstars doesn't care which donk wins, so long as one of them does. So no, you can't just sell everything you own and go play loads of high stakes tournaments.

Solid players can only win infrequently at Pokerstars. It's always followed by a downswing because Pokerstars doesn't want any money taken off the site. You'll never beat 2nl unless you're either on the Pokerstars donk list, or you're a Pokerstars superuser whose job is to take money off players so the site can profit.
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03-07-2014 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
If shills want donks to keep playing, and the sites are rigging it for the donks so they win more, then the shills should want everyone to know this.

So, I guess...you're the shill?
Obviously, the donk does not want to hear that he is a donk, which is why the shills don't say 'hey PS is letting all the donks win'. The donks think they're good players when in fact it's the Pokerstars rig that keeps them in profit.
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03-07-2014 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Obviously, the donk does not want to hear that he is a donk...

...The donks think they're good players...
Indeed.

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I might come across as arrogant saying I'm the best micro player on Pokerstars, but as Muhammad Ali once said, 'it's not bragging if you can back it up'. And in my time at the tables I've seen enough that I am convinced there's not a single player on Pokerstars microstakes that is better than me. I've never felt outplayed by anyone. I feel I've outplayed just about everyone I sit at the table with.
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03-07-2014 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by donk mcReetard
if that dude is really a troll then he's a sick & twisted mad uber genius.
Yep.

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
...I can't beat microstakes...


1) I'm only not winning because it's rigged.
2) Yes, the donks win. Because of the rig.
3) The hands I posted were played fine and my game is already rock solid.
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Pokerstars does not want you to win money. Pokerstars wants the donks to win money, never forget it. Solid players are an annoyance to them as they cash out, donks just keep the money deposited with Pokerstars. Pokerstars wants donks with lots of money in their accounts. Pokerstars wants donks to win the Sunday Million so they can advertise it to other donks and say 'look, this could be you as well!'. Pokerstars is run for the donks.
Solid players don't win but cash out. Donks win but still deposit. Sites make LPO wanting to be a solid player rather than a winning player.

If anyone is uber genius, it have to be the poker sites. LPO is just ******ed, troll or not.

Last edited by Baobhan-Sith; 03-07-2014 at 10:39 PM.
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03-07-2014 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Indeed.
The difference is I am actually a good player. I am not a donk. I am NOT a donk.

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Originally Posted by Baobhan-Sith
Yep.





Solid players don't win but cash out. Donks win but still deposit. Sites make LPO wanting to be a solid player rather than a winning player.

If anyone is uber genius, it have to be the poker sites. LPO is just ******ed, troll or not.
Solid players would cash out if Pokerstars let them win. Pokerstars doesn't, so it's the solid players who end up redepositing. The donks on the other hand win loads, but as they're donks they'll rarely cash out, and will instead probably just head off to play higher limits. This allows money to be transferred back and forth between players, generating more rake for Pokerstars, increasing the size of the player pool, and allowing for an effective advertising campaign where Pokerstars can point out 'amateurs' who won big on their tournaments to entice other donks to come and take a shot.
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03-07-2014 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
The difference is I am actually a good player. I am not a donk. I am NOT a donk.
Troll then. It's one or the other, although I know you'll deny both.
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03-08-2014 , 06:31 AM
i'd rather be a donk who keeps on winning than the best micro player and be losing all the time

oh btw if you're the best micro-stakes player you should be the biggest winner (or at least close to it). you losing rig or not, doesn't make you the best micro-stakes player
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03-08-2014 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I had JT today, put in a raise.

Flop comes J73

He donks out for 3/4 pot. I push all in
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
The difference is I am actually a good player. I am not a donk. I am NOT a donk.
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03-08-2014 , 09:17 AM
if you're so good why not do this test and post a screenshot of your score (otherwise you can easily lie)

http://www.testyourpoker.com/poker/

my score was 125
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03-08-2014 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by superfire444
if you're so good why not do this test and post a screenshot of your score (otherwise you can easily lie)

http://www.testyourpoker.com/poker/

my score was 125
Grrr, so rigged. I scored a 115, but in my defense, i misclicked once and I initially thought it was limit, so i was only doubling up with my raises (so I get a 'stupid' deduction) and I play hu for a living; haven't played full ring in years. Fun, though.
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03-08-2014 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by superfire444
if you're so good why not do this test and post a screenshot of your score (otherwise you can easily lie)

http://www.testyourpoker.com/poker/

my score was 125
Grrrr doesn't run on iPhone. Was looking for something to do whilst enjoying a Latte in the sun.
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