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The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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3,502 34.89%
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5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

03-05-2014 , 03:21 PM
Turn and River make the winner.

I recently flopped a Set 555 with board 6h5hKh and 2 more players in the hand. I bet pot and both players re-raised. I folded...not because of the possible flush...

Player 2 had: KK
Player 3 had: AhTh

Board paired on the River and higher Full House took it down.
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03-05-2014 , 03:48 PM
Did BadBeatEveryDay get wiped out?

Ah well, already crunched the numbers, might as well mock him:
ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
252 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 5 7 9 7
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
6s 8s59.52% 14412
2d 3d16.67% 420
7823.81% 5412

Losing with 60% equity = "one of the dirtiest beats ever"
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03-05-2014 , 03:48 PM
Aw shucks, all of his posts got nuked. Oh well, I went to the trouble of finding this hand from several years ago, so I'm still going to post it. Worst beat I've ever taken. Makes a simple runner-runner flush look like a 10-outer by comparison.

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Bodog - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $31.30
UTG: $48.35
CO: $39.06
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $14.10

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has A A

fold, CO raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, fold, fold, CO calls $3.00

Flop: ($9.35, 2 players) Q Q A
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($9.35, 2 players) K
CO checks, Hero bets $2.50, CO raises to $7.00, Hero raises to $14.00, CO calls $7.00

River:: ($37.35, 2 players) J
CO bets $20.56 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.50 and is all-in

CO shows T J (Royal Flush) (PreFlop 17%, Flop 0%, Turn 2%)
Hero shows A A (Full House, Aces full of Queens) (PreFlop 83%, Flop 100%, Turn 98%)
CO wins $48.35

Last edited by Freewill2112; 03-05-2014 at 03:50 PM. Reason: I mean, I was 100% on the flop. How could I lose? It's impossible!
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03-05-2014 , 04:07 PM
Dirtiest beat i took was in a tournament. We went allin preflop. I had 99 vs 66.
Flop 777
Turn 6
River 6

Still dont think its rigged
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03-05-2014 , 04:29 PM
When I played the $10K WPT event at Foxwoods, Doyle Brunson busted out at my table with AA<AK:

[Trip Report] A SSNL'er Plays the WPT (Long)

Of course, unlike certain posters ITT, Doyle took it like a man and we didn't even see him wince.
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03-05-2014 , 05:59 PM
Be careful when playing Pokerstars cash games. I had checked off sit out next big blind on there tables and magically the very last hand before sitting out was dealt aces vs two other all ins for a large amount of money. A perfect set up loss before sitting out and a cheap ****ing tactic by the program. I wouldn;t expect anything less though. I'll pass along the memories.
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03-05-2014 , 06:02 PM
This video sums is all up. How can anyone watch this and say Pokerstars isn't rigged? Look at all the hands he shows us, and actually predicts what the flop/turn/river is going to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuBvAWwRY_o
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03-05-2014 , 06:04 PM
Oh boy, an ancient magic612 video. You're really bringing the big guns to the table now, huh?
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03-05-2014 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Oh boy, an ancient magic612 video. You're really bringing the big guns to the table now, huh?
You don't have any answer to the obvious rigged hands he shows us? You can guarantee runner runners makes it on PS and this proves it without a doubt.
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03-05-2014 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
You don't have any answer to the obvious rigged hands he shows us? You can guarantee runner runners makes it on PS and this proves it without a doubt.
No, he probebly didn't bother answering because that video has been posted dozens of times, and a video collection of cherry picked hands proves nothing more than you posting your selected "bad beats".
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03-05-2014 , 06:24 PM
i can make a vid where i show 100 pocket aces being cracked and claim it was in a row. apparently you're going to believe that since you believe in magic612.

and yes i did watch all of magic612's vids, but out of pure entertainment. i find the guy to be pretty hilarious
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03-05-2014 , 06:34 PM
the cash games at Pokerstars sorry to say are a scam what I experience. Thats fine. Being a big boy I can show others my horrific experiences and not play myself.
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03-05-2014 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by futballer
the cash games at Pokerstars sorry to say are a scam what I experience. Thats fine. Being a big boy I can show others my horrific experiences and not play myself.
thats odd...... i seem to be doing quite well in stars cash game (zoom)...... wonder what i do different than you?
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03-05-2014 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by superfire444
and yes i did watch all of magic612's vids, but out of pure entertainment. i find the guy to be pretty hilarious
lol at "2 pairs".
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03-05-2014 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
You can guarantee runner runners makes it on PS and this proves it without a doubt.
If this was true, someone who wasn't a mouth breathing ****** would use it to make insane amounts of money.
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Originally Posted by futballer
the cash games at Pokerstars sorry to say are a scam what I experience. Thats fine. Being a big boy I can show others my horrific experiences and not play myself.
Have you bothered to "show others [your] horrific experiences" yet, or are you still just blathering on and on about nothing?
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03-05-2014 , 06:51 PM
The facts are that the donks get protection over on Pokerstars. Runner runners every time. I've lost count of the amount of times I've been donked by some idiot with Q8o. There's loads of hands like the guy in that video shows, all around the internet that proves bad beats and coolers are taking place on Pokerstars every minute of the day. You can't just write it all off as variance.
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03-05-2014 , 07:04 PM
Bad beats and coolers are part of the game, Dingus.

You've perfectly summed up rigtard stupidity. All you morons think you're unique little snowflakes who have to overcome grueling bad beats (and to your ilk, a "bad beat" is literally just losing a hand) that no one else on Earth does, when the reality is literally everyone deals with the same ****, which is why everyone here's reaction isn't "ZOMG, you proved it's rigged!", it's "No way, you lost a hand of poker?".
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03-05-2014 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Bad beats and coolers are part of the game, Dingus.

You've perfectly summed up rigtard stupidity. All you morons think you're unique little snowflakes who have to overcome grueling bad beats (and to your ilk, a "bad beat" is literally just losing a hand) that no one else on Earth does, when the reality is literally everyone deals with the same ****, which is why everyone here's reaction isn't "ZOMG, you proved it's rigged!", it's "No way, you lost a hand of poker?".
Everytime I am up against a donk I lose the hand. Why is that? Why, 90% of the time when stacks go into the pot, am I behind? I should get the same amount of good hands paid off as everyone else but I don't, Pokerstars is run by the donks for the donks and solid players don't actually win there.
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03-05-2014 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Everytime I am up against a donk I lose the hand. Why is that?
Because you're a liar?
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Why, 90% of the time when stacks go into the pot, am I behind?
I'd guess because you're not exceptionally good at math or poker.
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I should get the same amount of good hands paid off as everyone else but I don't
So why haven't you posted the proof of this?
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Pokerstars is run by the donks for the donks and solid players don't actually win there.
Shouldn't that benefit you? Oh, right right, you're deluded into thinking you're good I forgot.

Nice dismissal of the tons of players on 2+2 who do manage to win there, by the way.
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03-05-2014 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Everytime I am up against a donk I lose the hand. Why is that? Why, 90% of the time when stacks go into the pot, am I behind? I should get the same amount of good hands paid off as everyone else but I don't, Pokerstars is run by the donks for the donks and solid players don't actually win there.
Assuming you're not a troll, I don't think I've ever seen anyone on these forums who appears to have a larger gap between their skill level and their perception of their skill level.

As CMAR would say:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning...3Kruger_effect

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 03-05-2014 at 07:38 PM.
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03-05-2014 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Because you're a liar?
This can probably be the answer to every single "question" he's "asked" in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Assuming you're not a troll
I think that's a bad assumption.
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03-05-2014 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Shouldn't that benefit you? Oh, right right, you're deluded into thinking you're good I forgot.
I've noticed I don't get anywhere near as many good hands actually paid off as the donks do. You see when a donk gets a good hand Pokerstars will make sure someone else on the table also makes a hand so he gets paid. When I make a good hand, everyone insta snapfolds like they can see my cards. There must be superusers working for the site or a rig that lets donks win. Or both. The number one rule of Pokerstars is that the donk cannot be allowed to lose money.

EVERYONE on Pokerstars thinks it's rigged if you start up some chat. Even the god damn fish think it's rigged. Stars have given one lucky river card too many and the tower of lies they have built will start to crumble down around them.
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03-05-2014 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
I've noticed I don't get anywhere near as many good hands actually paid off as the donks do. You see when a donk gets a good hand Pokerstars will make sure someone else on the table also makes a hand so he gets paid. When I make a good hand, everyone insta snapfolds like they can see my cards. There must be superusers working for the site or a rig that lets donks win. Or both. The number one rule of Pokerstars is that the donk cannot be allowed to lose money.

EVERYONE on Pokerstars thinks it's rigged if you start up some chat. Even the god damn fish think it's rigged. Stars have given one lucky river card too many and the tower of lies they have built will start to crumble down around them.
Don't hold your breath...
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03-05-2014 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
EVERYONE on Pokerstars thinks it's rigged
Everyone thinks it's rigged, yet millions of people play there. ban the troll plz, tnx.
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03-05-2014 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Even the god damn fish think it's rigged.
You accidentally posted the answer to all of your questions but you wont recognize it.
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