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Originally Posted by mirage01
Ev is close to worthless because it does not take into account the times you 3 bet 55c, get called by 46 and flop is 566, and you lose a stack which is just what happened to me just then and of course continues to happen.
Allin EV (at least in PT) takes into account how many chips were put in on each street, and your chances of winning the pot at that time.
If you limp with KK, get called by 66, and the pot comes 26Q, and then all the chips go in...if you lose that pot, you're not much below EV. If on the other hand, the chips went in before the flop, then you're well below EV for that hand.
So, yes it does take into account the situation you described (since if you went allin on the flop, you're still significantly ahead).
Edit: it's not, however, always the greatest indicator of "luck" or "rigginess", since if you go allin 35 times with AA in 2NL and win every single one of them, and once in 200NL and lose, then PT/HEM will say you're running below EV, even though you've won a whole lot higher percentage of hands than you should have.