Wow, that is impressing. Seriously, drop school and go pro.

I never said you didn't win at NL5. A blind monkey can do that. I said you had to work at your game. I said the K5o hand was played so bad that it hurt physically to read the hand history. Guess that graph proves me wrong? Not even in idiotland, amirite?

Nice boomswitch at the beginning btw. Doesn't that kind of contradict your theories?

i'm thinking of a writing a book. maybe i'll call it 'deuce on the river'.

Probably my favorite. But I think it's appropriate only if you think of people here as "enemies" and, speaking only for myself, nobody here really qualifies. There's a lot of failure to see, nothing that rises to the level of "enemy" or even close.

Most of the riggies fail to see their lack of ability or the nature of variance as the source of their suffering.

Some of the shills incorrectly see the riggies as a source of entertainment which means they've either failed to see the handicapped nature of the riggies or they've failed to see that using the handicapped for amusement makes them far, far worse than someone who merely cannot come to terms with a lack of talent in a card game.

Some of the shills incorrectly see the riggies as sincere when the one thing riggies don't do is say "hm, let me give that some thought."

So I guess what I'm saying is I hope nobody actually thinks of others here as enemies. If they do, the list of failures to see is longer than I thought.

Yes, mostly true. Things can get a bit negative, though. Also, some of the people come off worse than they really are imo. There is a bunch of wisdom in their posts, but it is cluttered at times. If someone comes in with a reasonable theory, it will be considered. When proof is lacking, and when the person with the theory fails to take suggestions regarding how to provide it, that is when frustration sets in; and that is when the mocking starts. I'm rooting for someone to come in, have his/her data run, and report back no matter what is revealed. Perhaps Gunslinger will do so.

Did you really just compare LOL and other riggies here to someone with a handicap?

Being arrogant or narcissistic, the most common traits associated with these riggies and their posts, is not a handicap, nor is it anything that should garner sympathy.

I should feel sorry for some jackass that thinks he has some sort of divine right to win, without doing an ounce of work, because of his inherent brilliance and superiority, while the rest of us are putting in thousands of hours of study and work to win?

Pffffff.

Your post is beyond absurd on so many levels and borderline offensive on others.

Being arrogant or narcissistic, the most common traits associated with shilltards and their posts, is not a handicap, nor is it anything that should garner admiration.


Think about it, j9, when you remove your tongue from your idol's ass.

Yes, tho it is hardly limited to the riggies.

hand·i·cap n: a condition that markedly restricts a person's ability to function physically, mentally, or socially.

What you should do is quote where I said you ought to feel sorry for anyone at all.

lol.

lolpotodds has to be one of the dumbest people I've ever come across on the whole entire internet.

You definitely said I couldn't beat 5nl. So eat it donk, you're wrong.

It's implied in all your posts.

Monteroy, I dunno why I don't play higher really. I really should, but everyone at 2+2 gives this crap about you need to work your way through the buyin levels. I did have a go at 25nl the other day and crushed it. Moving up to 10nl soon anyway so the rig won't be as present there as it is at 5nl. Unless 888poker decide to stack the deck against my account specifically which is always an option for them if they think a player is winning too much and so scaring away their precious donks.

And it's an EDUCATED GUESS that a player is new. I never claimed it was 100% accurate, only about 80%. Obviously if a player is from Brazil or something, and so is playing while I'm asleep, and then one day we run into each other despite both with long time users of the site, that's where the educated guess he was new is wrong. But 80% of the time I bet my classification of new players is correct.

And fish will call any bet if they have a flush on a 4 to a flush board. But if you check first, fishy might bet his 2 pair or whatever for 'value' - but he's not going to call if you don't. So a checkraise will get value from his 2 pair/set. If he does have a flush he's obviously betting on the river anyway so you still get his stack when you checkraise.

Here is an updated Rigstars graph of over 1000 games showing the effect of the Jokerstars Doomswitch!

Stats that show evidence of Rigging:
140 BI Below cEV over 1k games
90 BI Below AllinAdjusted EV

Hands: 22509
ROI ADjusted %: 2.1%
Acutal ROI: -7.0% (Lifetime Hyper SNG ROI of 7.0%)
All In Adjusted BB/100: 3.0
Actual BB/100: -2.76
Chips Won: -36369
All in Adjusted Chips won: 34819

All these stats are in the extreme end of the variance spectrum!

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These results occured over the last 2 weeks after a bunch of cashout! More results to follow!

I'm trying to find out if whenever I get all in, it is the actual long run percentage that it should be. For example, every time I get all my money in with a higher pocket pair preflop I should be 82% or so over the long run. I have a pokertracker database with 1800 of my tourns...can someone please tell me how to do the filters to check for this, as well as any other useful ways in PokerTracker to find any potential rigging?

Thx,

Tony

You will get better advice on filering in HEM if you ask in the software forums on 2+2 or even better use these forums

http://forums.holdemmanager.com/

and do not worry, if your data does not show what you want to believe in you can simply alter your beliefs or say they hid the rig since they knew you were going to research it or something.



Your posts seem to be losing some energy, which is natural for someone who cannot really learn, change or adapt, and before you get replaced by a new riggie or emoshill that is more fun for the moment how about we go about your situation in a different manner, essentially ignoring what anyone else says other than you about the industry conditions.

For the below, ignore the opinions of 2+2, me, shills, riggies, Lizard People, the people in the strat forums, the people at your table etc.

Here are your basic beliefs:

- You love playing poker and/or are a gambling addict (does not matter which for this post)
- You believe that poker is a hobby to you
- You believe you are a very strong player
- You believe all the games on all sites are rigged more at the lower buy ins
- You believe the rig benefits "new players"
- You believe 888 is specifically rigged against you (as you state in the last sentence above)
- You believe the only thing holding you back from achieving wealth and success are unnatural forces (ie: the rig)


Amid my posts where I have made fun of you (because of my beliefs that you are a weak player) I also gave you specific strategies to fight the rig and make a lot more money than you do, with the only caveat being that they are based on your beliefs.

You are the one holding yourself back, not me, not shills, not 2+2. You. You have stated that you can crush 25NL, since you did well playing some on a single day, so why are you listening to "bankroll management / work up levels" advice that you know does not apply to you.

If you have no money then find someone who will lend you money, but you did indicate that poker is just a hobby so if that is the case you should have some other form of income.

Use the month of February to take the chance you have been longing to try and follow your gut instincts and beliefs and find $1,000 or so and deposit on a new site to take advantage of the new player rig (and bonuses) and sit down and grind 25NL and 50NL.

When you quickly double that bankroll you can add in some 100NL tables, and when you reach $3,000 in a week or two you take out the initial $1,000 so that you are only ever playing with profits.

Do not be distracted with 2+2 or others calling you a donk as you pursue this destiny. Do not read 2+2. Do not have table chat on. You are doing this only for you.

You can always come back here and whine about 5NL and $0+$0 buy-in MTTs in the future if you need, but until you do the above you will never know if you could have captured your dream and gotten what you believe you deserve.

I would not be surprised if you have felt like this in other pursuits as well in your life, that if only you could get a break, and be given a fair chance that you could get what you really deserve. This is your chance to finally do that, you just need to show some faith in yourself and your beliefs, so how about it - are you up for the challenge?

All the best.

Right I've got another problem with 888poker. Not only is there a new player boomswitch, but I believe 888poker is deliberately giving me QQ-KK hands while dealing someone else AA. It happens every single time I get these hands.

How often should someone else have AA when I have QQ-KK? Because it's like 75% of the time and that's surely too high?

Seems you are going to continue to languish on a site you believe is specifically rigged against you at stakes involving pennies, so at this point there is not much more to say to you, though some satisfaction exists knowing you will have to endure the fate you chose at the baby stakes.

By the way, you won one of those hands, so as rigs go, your latest personalized one makes less sense than your other rig of the moment beliefs. You are also conveniently ignoring the hands where you had KK or QQ and won a hand by raising pre-flop or after the flop with no showdown. Odds are if one goes through a databse of your hands there will be a ton more of those hands than the ones you are whining about, but that is what selective memory and cherry picking (two riggie foundations) are all about.

Anyway, enjoy months and years of whining about pennies and freerolls until you eventually quit in frustration (or lack of funds), given you have no faith in yourself or your beliefs to follow the advice I offered, and your fun value has pretty much been used up as well since you have become a bad beat whine blogger. Fortunately new riggies will eventually appear to replace you, and hopefully they will be entertaining for a while as well!

All the best.

Quote me. I didn't. You are a liar.

Ignoring questions, misquoting people (I also never said the variance simulator would disprove a rig, as you claimed) and generally interpret facts (wrongly) as you think it serves your prejudice is the only way you can defend your beliefs, we already got that.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

You actually come over as the one who looks down on the uneducated plebs, well done, that's an admirable trait.


In the meantime, I'm off to read some Voltare.

Nice to see that emo, anti-faith/religion shill is still whining about me as predicted. Hopefully no MMA fans engage in -EV cheering at any Super Bowl party he attends, as that would interfere with his reading Voltaire and forming some candide and hands-off theories about human behavior.

Ah, c'mon man, you know what I'm talking about. I've been rolling since '94 and while there are plenty of fans who truly enjoy the fine skill on display, for every one of these types you'll find twenty who just want to see teeth fly.

Sit a table, turn on a chat and tell me our odds are any better. =/

Tony doesn't do anything but ask how to look at his own data and Monte can't resist the pull of pointing out his superiority.

And it looks for all the world to be pathological. The man is not well.

I quit high school so that'd be quite a feat.

My only disposition toward the people who post here is a desire that there be better perception of reality. If that's "looking down," so be it. Maybe I'm the one who is failing to see. I'd be open to that debate but that requires two people working toward the same goal. All I ever seem to find around here is people trying to boost their ego by one-upping.

Candide is short and extremely accessible. Lest that be taken as a zing, it's my favorite.

Poor Monte. His inability to get under someone's skin really burns. It's becoming his raison d'être.

I agree on that one actually. I've only been around since the very 1st Pride FC though. We, european, are always late for the good stuff . But I must say we have less "teeth flying" fans I think.

Back to the thread now please, so is it rigged or not I never remember !

theres just no way this guy is a real human being with this mindset. He just has to be a troll, no matter who he is IRL, this "character" can not be real. I refuse to believe that people like lolpotodds or GrizzNation actually exist in society. And yes, comparing them to the handicapped is offensive to the handi-capped. That isn't even a joke, whoever pointed that out is (or should be) sincere.

I wouldnt say that, it's just unrealistic expectations and "entitlement tilt". A lot of new players feel that the best hand preflop or on the flop should win 100% of the time. Being a 70% favorite is as good as 100% favorite to them, since it seems so unlikely you are going to lose with an overpair or whatever. They should understand that 72o is going to beat AA at least some percentage of the time, that it's not flat out impossible. But when it happens it feels like it's happening all the time. Mike McDermmott said it perfectly, "Few players recall big pots they have won, strange as it seems, but every player can remember with remarkable accuracy the outstanding tough beats of his career."

That and the fact that losing 3 BI's in under 1000 hands is a big deal to him. I regularly swing 5 BI's back and forth every single session playing 4 tables like it's nothing.

I think what would also really help is if he saw the winrates of high stakes pros. How many fish have we seen come and go who post 80/100BB winrates and claim it's standard, and that when it drops to 40BB/100 something is going horribly wrong and everyone must be sucking out on them. They need to go look up a bunch of players on PTR if thats still possible, and see how many millionaires are currently beating the game for like 2-5BB/100. And of course, how all those fish the site is rigged for are ALWAYS huge losers. Back when I first started I would also PTR someone who sucked out on me for relief just to see they are down $2000 with like a -36BB winrate.

lol at all of you both sides (riggies) and second side, why waste so much time?

No mirrors in your house?

Nah he is real. There are two kinds of people psychologically, one that sees patterns in the noise, and one that doesn't. Religious people and conspiracy theorists (riggies feature elements of both groups) do think random things happen for a reason and try to assign a meaning to everything. They also totally discard all evidence contrary to their beliefs.

lolpotodds, did you find where I said the things you claim I definitely said? Are you going to apologize for your lies or are you going to ignore that like everything else that shows you bend the facts whenever suitable?