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Old 01-31-2009, 08:18 PM   #651
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he meant like how there is no evidence to support anything he says
I read it as even if he was right, it would be impossible for him to gather evidence. Which of course is crap and he's already admitted it's not that he can't it's that he won't.

I guess the real question is if he can't be bothered do to the homework on what would be the biggest scandal in online gambling history why do we bother humoring him and answering his ridiculous posts?
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:45 PM   #652
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I read it as even if he was right, it would be impossible for him to gather evidence. Which of course is crap and he's already admitted it's not that he can't it's that he won't.

I guess the real question is if he can't be bothered do to the homework on what would be the biggest scandal in online gambling history why do we bother humoring him and answering his ridiculous posts?

Because the people still on the fence must be protected from the fact that Online Poker may not be legitimate.

Online Poker is rigged in my OPINION and I simply dont care enough to go and investigate or gather evidence. Im simply stating that I believe that some of the sites could be rigged due to what Ive seen with my own eyes. I could of course be wrong and I wish I was, but sadly I dont think this is the case.

For any players on the fence ask yourself has any of this ever happened to you:

-High initial luck after a deposit on a new poker site.
-Bad run after big cashout.
-Bad run after claim bonus.
-Long pause in the deal before a particularly bad beat.
-Player on massive tilt catching an unlikely card.
-Difficulty beating new players/ poor players despite good cards.
-Periods of play where no matter what you lose.
All these of course could be blamed on coincedence or Variance but often its the timing of events that have led me to believe online poker is rigged.
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:55 PM   #653
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Because the people still on the fence must be protected from the fact that The NFL may not be legitimate.

The NFL is rigged in my OPINION and I simply dont care enough to go and investigate or gather evidence. Im simply stating that I believe that some of the teams could be rigged due to what Ive seen with my own eyes. I could of course be wrong and I wish I was, but sadly I dont think this is the case.

For any players on the fence ask yourself has any of this ever happened to you:

-High initial luck after you start cheering for a new team.
-Bad run after big trade.
-Bad run after a free agent signing.
-Long pause before the ref makes a particularly bad call.
-Team on a massive losing streak catching an unlikely pass.
-Difficulty beating rookies/scrubs despite good field position.
-Periods of play where no matter what your team loses.
All these of course could be blamed on coincedence or Variance but often its the timing of events that have led me to believe The NFL is rigged.
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:58 PM   #654
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(That's $10 in the bank for me! Cha-ching!)
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:15 PM   #655
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CMAR - how do you only have 10k posts?

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Old 01-31-2009, 09:21 PM   #656
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CMAR - how do you only have 10k posts?
I go back and delete all the ones that aren't up to my usual high standards.

Expect half this thread to disappear later tonight...

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Old 01-31-2009, 09:27 PM   #657
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I'm at 5.84 posts per day. At $10 per post, that's enough to live on if you're frugal.

I'm not greedy like some other posters...
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:55 PM   #658
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Because the people still on the fence must be protected from the fact that coin flips may not be legitimate.

A coin flip is rigged in my OPINION and I simply dont care enough to go and investigate or gather evidence. Im simply stating that I believe that some of the coin flips could be rigged due to what Ive seen with my own eyes. I could of course be wrong and I wish I was, but sadly I dont think this is the case.

For any players on the fence ask yourself has any of this ever happened to you:

-High initial luck after you start cheering for a heads.
-Bad run after switching coins.
-Bad run after switching the hand you flip the coin with.
-Long pause of the coin spinning before it lands against your call.
-A "tails" fan on a massive losing streak catching an unlikely tails.
-Difficulty beating new players/ poor players despite good coins.
-Periods of play where no matter what you lose.

All these of course could be blamed on coincedence or Variance but often its the timing of coin flips that have led me to believe coin flips are rigged.


P.S. Just got 4 heads in a row when calling tails after withdrawing from my bank account. That is proof. I know it.
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:59 PM   #659
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this thread suddenly has potential
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:04 PM   #660
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hot pockets are rigged imo. i just ate one and i feel a bad run coming on already. will keep posted.
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:24 PM   #661
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New memes are busting out all over!

I've always had a soft spot for this one:

All Your Base Are Belong To Us
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:25 PM   #662
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New memes are busting out all over!

I've always had a soft spot for this one:

All Your Base Are Belong To Us
That's good, but I prefer this version.
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:36 PM   #663
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The NFL is WAY more rigged than coin flips or hot pockets.

And unlike some people, I have proof!

Three words: New York Giants
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:37 PM   #664
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uh, i have proof, but i'm not so sure you want it.
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:38 PM   #665
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That's good, but I prefer this version.
Always gotta be about you, eh, Bobo?

You are such a media whore!
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Old 02-01-2009, 01:31 AM   #666
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Because the people still on the fence must be protected from the fact that Online Poker may not be legitimate.
The people still on the fence must be protected from the fact that live Poker may not be legitimate.

Live Poker is rigged in my OPINION and I simply dont care enough to go and investigate or gather evidence. I'm simply stating that I believe that some of the poker rooms could be rigged due to what I've seen with my own eyes. I could of course be wrong and I wish I was, but sadly I dont think this is the case.

For any players on the fence ask yourself has any of this ever happened to you:

-High initial luck when first playing in a new poker room.
-Bad run after spending your stake and being insufficiently bankrolled.
-Bad run after free drinks.
-Long pause by the dealer before a particularly bad beat.
-Player on massive tilt catching an unlikely card.
-Difficulty beating new players/ poor players despite good cards.
-Periods of play where no matter what you lose.
All these of course could be blamed on coincedence or Variance but often it's the timing of events that have led me to believe live poker is rigged.

Be safe, play online.
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Old 02-01-2009, 01:32 AM   #667
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Hey Markusgc what do you do for a living Im wondering?
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Old 02-01-2009, 01:40 AM   #668
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But beats happen live and you can't blame the live house game b/c you KNOW it wasn't rigged
No, you don't know the live game wasn't rigged.
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Old 02-01-2009, 02:22 AM   #669
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Too bad stephenmeares never got this kind of love here:
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Always gotta be about you, eh, Bobo?
Yes, yes it does.

Is that going to be a problem?
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Old 02-01-2009, 11:27 AM   #671
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I give up.

2 last questions.

Do you guys think its possible that some poker sites are manipulating the play in some way?

Yes or No

Why would someone want to eat an ice cream sandwich? surely a ice cream cone or apple pie with ice cream would be favourable to bread andice cream,no?
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Your post, however, has no chance.
Wow this thread is still alive, lmao
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I give up.

2 last questions.

Do you guys think its possible that some poker sites are manipulating the play in some way?

Yes or No
No in the way you and many other basic rigged believers think, as it would be so much more complicated then much, MUCH simpler methods depending on their goals.

If their goal is to be a quick scam like some sites that come and go then the best thing they can do is simply not pay out withdraws.

If an insider wanted to make money off of players they could do the super user account approach which does not impact how the cards are dealt. Messing with the deal is an easy way to get caught, so that would be the last thing anyone would do.

If their goal is to somehow even the playing field to help weaker players they would do it in a way that would not be so obvious, which are the amusing flaws of most rigged theories. Plus, they would have to kill all the people who helped since somehow no one has blown the cover of all of this corruption yet.

You are free to believe whatever you like, but all you are doing is misinterpreting short term data that you "remember" and have a "gut feel" about. If you lose to a new player you add the belief that it is because it is a new player, even when that has nothing to do with it. You may as well look at the shirt you were wearing and believe the bad beat was caused by that.

You and many others who have your beliefs like you listed earlier are ironically the easiest to con, because you only think of the most simplistic ways you can be cheated. Cash out curses distract you from doing proper statistical analysis and watching the actual play of other players to ensure that they are not bots or colluding, which is how most cheating takes place

A number of threads here have demonstrated some statistical evidence on players who are likely bots, and those studies do so much more to make the game better for us all then another person who lacks any math skills or desire to prove their beliefs claiming they lose only because they played a new player after they cashed out some money. That is why no one will take you seriously, because you do not do what it takes to take this topic seriously (even though you believe you do).


My coin flip post earlier was a bit snarky, but I assure you that if you flip a coin 1,000 times and record the results you would be able to construct just as many rigged beliefs depending on which selected sequences you used.
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:15 PM   #674
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I give up.

Do you guys think its possible that some poker sites are manipulating the play in some way?

Yes or No
Of course it is possible. But for the top sites like Stars and FT it is extremely unlikely and you should trust them until there is real evidence to the contrary. In fact, there is a great deal of evidence that they both go to great lengths to ensure honest games (as do some other sites). They also go to great lengths to prevent the kind of insider cheating that happened at UB/AP, which practically killed that company as it should.

Rigtard theories abound but no one has ever shown evidence of a rigged deal.

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Old 02-01-2009, 12:58 PM   #675
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I give up.

2 last questions.

Do you guys think its possible that some poker sites are manipulating the play in some way?

Yes or No
It is unquestionably possible, and highly probable, that there is currently still insider cheating in some form going on in online poker on at least one site. This does not mean that all sites are corrupt, and I'd be shocked if any of the top sites were proven to be unfair or corrupt in any way. I'm definitely not going to be jumping to any conclusions before I see any evidence.

Anyway, here is the link to the thread on the triple draw issue you referenced earlier:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-games-303618/

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Why would someone want to eat an ice cream sandwich? surely a ice cream cone or apple pie with ice cream would be favourable to bread andice cream,no?
I can put up with all the rigtard theories, but I'm pretty sure I need you to retract this last statement. Retract it or there will be... trouble.


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