Derp, have a read of the full post and it becomes obvious I thought that when I first began playing and knew nothing (but had the boomswitch).

Now I know how to play, but don't have the boomswitch, I win less. That's not explainable except by rigging.

Yep. I'm now convinced, it's the only explanation.

I can explain it.

But, whatever, enjoy losing and crying like a little girl every day of your life.

Id recommend that you take you $40 in career winnings or whatever it is and stock up on some tissues. You are going to need them.

Your stupidity and general dickishness is getting boring and old.

Welcome to ignore.

lol, guessing.. It SIMULATES. Noone ever claimed it would disprove anything, can't you read? Can you quote where I said anything like that? Pulling stuff out of your ass again? Surprise. We already learnt there is no stuff in your head to pull out.

It shows you that the impact of luck in poker is so big, that a 3 BI deviation says nothing.. GOT THAT NOW I TOLD YOU LIKE TEN TIMES WHAT IT DOES?

A rig cannot be disproved. Noone can ever prove there isn't a rig. You can only prove there is one. GOT THAT?

To prove a rig exists people would use confidence intervals. They are always the SAME IF YOU ARE NOT CHANGING PARAMETERS. Understand? If your results are further than 5 SD from the mean, a bias is practically proven. Got that? Go to the variance simulator, make three runs for the parameters you used, look at the 95% confidence interval. IT'S THE SAME EVERY TIME, GENIUS. You can take the formula for confidence intervals, fill in the values, have a result, and even you can check if they are right or wrong. I told you several times, wiki it. I see you learn quickly.

Really, how stubborn are you? I told you ten times, and you still babble nonsense after nonsense. Because it is a conscious decision to avoid understanding what contradicts your theories, I guess?

OMG

You are so dumb that it hurts. Did you really see how different results get purely by impact of luck, and still think running good = boomswitch, running bad = doomswitch? looooool

You throw a coin 101 times, get 52 heads. Coin is rigged?

You throw the same coin again 101 times, get 46 heads. Someone switched the rig?

You are ridiculously dumb if you dont get that. Good luck playing poker.

And against anything else we're folding villain out so he can't get the opportunity to suckout on us later by spiking a set. If he's got QQ, JJ or a bluff I doubt I'm getting more money anyway after I flatted his 3bet UTG then called his cbet on a K high flop. Would probably have checked turn and folded to a bet and at least this way he never gets the opportunity to spike a set on the turn? Or my massive overbet might look like a bluff and he calls me with JJ or something.

From your own thread asking for advice.

You ignore it all and rant on about denying someone spiking a set. You may well win a small amount but you are setting money on fire with this mental approach to the game.

Yeah, yeah, "if I hadn't done it, the rig would have handed their set/runner runner straight / whatever"
You truly are a hopeless case and should probably take up crochet as a hobby.

Do you understand why people are laughing at you ?

If his claims are correct then he has made 900k or so more than you will in your lifetime in this industry.

Lots of emotional, weak players make the mistake of believing their true winrate is far more than what it really is, and the simulator cannot really account for that basic human error. What do you think your win rate should be at 5NL 10NL 25NL 50 NL and 100NL for instance?

I will be nice and serious (as a change of pace since you seem incapable of changing character at all being the simple creature you are), the problem with the 1 BB call on the flop is that you have no plan for the hand other than being a station and hoping things work out. You have no plan for the future, only for the moment so you think "whatever only 1 BB, I call."

Then if the turn is for instance a king and the opponent bets 3-5 BB you think "hmm, maybe he does not have an ace and now I have a king which improved my hand ( though against what really on a AA2 board) so I call...

On a brick turn if he bets 1 BB I assume you fold.

You never take any initiative or make a play to see where you are in the hand, you simply hope things work out, and if they do not you blame a rig. If they do then you attribute it to your skill.


On that K5 hand I still maintain that you as a player are better off folding than checking pre-flop, because you are really that bad post flop, but on the flop with that board and your hand the options that at least have some thought behind it are

- Check fold (thinking no real point this hand and the pot is small)
- Check raising (to see if the opponent re-raises which he will do with an ace)
- Betting the flop (similar to check raising but less likely to be believed if the opponent has a hand like 77)

Given the pot was tiny, and also given that donks habitually open limp Ax KQ and pocket pairs (all of which you are behind) this is not a hand really worth fighting for, and calling in most cases just leads to you calling more on the turn (or folding) and then folding a river.

Your call on the turn is whatever, its not bad as far as calling stations go, but if he bet 10 or 15 BBs are you snap calling as well and then checking the river?

Regarding the river, you talk about how these donks will call on these four flush boards (also paired) with any flush, yet you checked, so your whole runner runner hope it works out in the moment approach actually led to you getting your flush (on a paired board you seem to not care about) and even then you checked.

People like you make these mistakes all the time and we will never see the hands where you get there, check the river and then your opponent checks with trip aces because you missed value betting.



Can you beat 5NL? Sure. Anyone who actually takes time to post on the forums here should be able to beat that game for some pennies because the competition is non-existent.

Can you beat any higher stakes that start having better regs on a regular basis? No chance with what you are showing for now, and to your credit you know this (though will not admit it) which is why you basically never have and never will play higher than 5 NL on a regular basis. All you will do is toss in a hand or a comment about a session once in a while when it suits your agenda.


Your major flaw is you really are completely resistant to learning, and it is not just in this riggie thread. Look at the more gentle threads you start in the beginners and micro strategy sections for instance

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...ts-jj-1410171/

where you end up getting feedback like this due to your approach


and those guys certainly have no agenada other than being nice in helping newbies, and while some gave very good advice they will eventually stop with you because why help someone who says stuff like




You have maybe a 1% chance (being generous) of doing what it takes to change the huge flaw in your mental approach to the game, because people like you are pretty hard wired, so my suggestion to you is if you are going to be a paranoid whiner at least do it in a fun way, and be sure to change it up once in a while. Your posts are becoming repetitive so just take a new twist to your crazy, like saying you do better when playing on even number days or something!

I realize you will completely disregard the strategy advice I offered, and that is fine. Frankly, I would be surprised if you chose to learn, but I thought it would be fun to approach you with a different method than the other "shills."

All the best.

Nothing can ever be proven by playing 5NL, because a half-brained drunk monkey can beat this limit with a basic PF opening hand chart. What funny is that you can't. The only thing that this demonstrates is that a regular player runs above EV line at the limit full of "boomswitched" new players. Its not wise to get yourself in dick measuring contest with an imbecile, but no one really cares how much pennies more or less you made at some point comparing to others. What important is that you can't beat the lowest limit available. I dont play 5NL since I move up consistently with my BR, but even if I did for fun and giggles, I would still crush it with my eyes closed. Something that you can't ever do.

I'd say we ban this lunatic, since there is no way he isn't trolling. What'd you say Mike?

I thought 'puppy dog feet' was the strongest suite...

Was playing on Carbon and this hand went down, reminded me of lolpotodds







SB sat in chat insulting MP3, and the rest of the table, and also calling Merge rigged, until their 2 minutes of chatting ran out.

That's an interesting angle, given that Monte disliked my reaction so much that he put me on ignore.

I gotta remember that technique.

1. Try to get something
2. Get it
3. Make sure I no longer get it
4. Profit?

You mean like this?

Yeh, Monte sure got me good.

But can you stand back and find a retort deeper than the perpetual "we're so far above your level" crap that gets praised as quality around here?

Probably not.

Has it occurred to you that the humor value in mocking low-content by posting lower-content is not found by reading the lower-content looking for content?

Protip: Read some Voltare.

And I sir, lacking your company, will surely weep in mine.

Oh ffs I'm tired of this bull**** about 'variance simulators' and the other nonsense you've been coming out with, we've already established that they're BS. I know a rig when I see one and I don't need a simulator to tell me so.

Think about it. Are you betting JJ or QQ on a non-set making turn card, in a 3bet pot on a K high board where villain flatted your 3bet then called your cbet. It practically screams 'I have AK'.

I can only conclude they've got no clue about implied odds. I called 1bb on the flop with a runner runner because if I did make it villain is a massive fish and I could get a large portion of his stack.

And Phil Ivey has made more from this industry than you will in your lifetime. What's your point?

If we took out the times where donks completed runner runner draws above what was statistically normal, I'd probably have a winrate of about 30bb/100 at 5nl. Don't know about other stakes as I've not played them much. I'm sitting at 28bb/100 at 25nl currently so it goes to show the relative absence of the rig has a massive effect on my winrate.

I was going for a checkraise but then he shoved anyway.

No because I've got sick implied odds if I hit on the river.

I crushed 25nl when I played it but you're just gonna say blah blah that was just variance. I'd be sitting at the higher stakes tables regularly if the sites would just let me move up.

LOLOLOL if I can't beat it why does my graph show me $100 up at this stake? A few more dollars and I'll be moving to 10nl where the rig will be less, then I'll rapidly move up because the rig is less the more you move up because there's less new players.

Lol so why are you playing a $10 tourney if you're so good? Surely you should be sitting at the $100 buyins at least?

Appropriate for this thread?

I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.

@lolpotodds: You havent posted any graphs yet. But I dont need you to do that. Just zip your HH folder and pm for an email address to send it to. I'll do all the hard work, import them in holdem manager, break it down for you. I'm not even really interested in graphs or EV (which I suspect will be right where they should be), I want to actually look at some notable hands and how you played them, both winners and losers, and also some medium pot hands you probably get into frequently without a showdown, just to see what kind of lines you are taking.

He will never do that because once you point out his awful play, he will tell you that it is something that is known as "implied pot odds" and his constantly misplayed hands as "I would of won if not for new player boomswitch".

lol wut

Are you on drugs?

You are obviously too dumb to get what variance simulators do, too dumb to understand basic math, but claim you can find the solution to a mathematical question (rigged or not is a mathematical question, DUCY? I doubt it.) by resuming your flawless memory?

I apologize I called you an idiot. To the idiots of the world.

PM sent. I'm quite happy to prove that I'm not some idiot drooler and have in fact been sucked out on way more than is reasonable.

Do you work for a variance simulator website? You seem awfully keen about ramming this simulator down our throats whenever you get the chance.

I don't really give a damn what your simulator claims to do to be honest because I can see the rig with my own eyes when I play on the rigged 888poker client. I don't need any fancy software to tell me anything.

Also another one of 888's freerolls tonight. Get down to 20bb's because of increasing blind levels so it's become shoving time. I shove with a pair of 9's UTG. Big blind donk calls with ATo. Guess what's on the flop? An ace and a ten! Course I don't get a 9 on the turn or river. 888's freerolls are ridiculously rigged, even moreso than their cash games.

Right I've finally figured out how to post graphs here. Here's my one for 6max to prove I'm a winning player at 4nl/5nl. Read it and weep franxic, otatop and EvilGreebo. I can post the one for FR too if you like.

The point was not complex, it was that your lifetime earnings will hover in the area of zero. It had nothing to do with Phil Ivey, though time will tell what his lifetime earnings will be if you include his degen craps addiction. You probably have net made more than Cloutier at this point...

I have a question about your new player rig:

If a player who has played thousands of tournaments decides to try cash games and you see him for the first time at the cash tables. Is he a new player or not?

This is just one of an unlimited number of possibilities that the programmers who keep it all a secret will have to account for to screw you out of a few dimes and pennies, so figure it is a fun starting point!



A sustainable long term 28 BB/100 win rate at 25NL which of course will make you the best poker player to ever play that game in the history of time, but that aside I guess the next logical question is why would you ever play 5NL when you can make a fortune playing 50,000 hands a week at 25NL?

So on the hands where the opponents check that river what are your thoughts with how you played it with the fancy play syndrome on rivers at 5NL? I know you would never post a hand like that (even though they likely happen to you all the time).

Why are you not at 100NL where a player of your skill should win at 15-20BB/100 or so?

All the best.

If the rig wasn't in existence I'm sure I'd be comfortably making $5k a month or so with relatively little effort at the higher stakes. Not saying I'm take down durrrr in $1m pots, but I know I'm not a bad player and definitely better than the 40-70% VPIP donks that are splashing round all over the micros and I hear they even exist at 100nl and 200nl as well.

No he's not, it's all based on when a player joins the site. When I first joined 888poker I played both tournament and cash and ran well in both. After the first month, didn't cash many more tournaments, so switched to cash which is of course also rigged but at least you don't sit there for 2 hours like you do in a tournament then get knocked out by some donk on the bubble with 65o.

For a start I'm not some sick grinding machine, I normally put in 500-1000 hands per day since I only play 3 or 4 tables for 2 or 3 hours at a time. This is just a hobby to me, not an 'income', or at least it won't be while the rig is still here, but I still want a fair deal at the tables which I'm not currently getting.

You can't just donk the river when villain has the betting lead or it's obvious you hit your draw and he's going to fold. You need to check first, so he thinks his top pair/2 pair/set is still good, bets out, then you minimum checkraise him so he has the pot odds to make a crying call. That's how you get value from your monster hands.

Yeah sometimes villain checks river behind but it's not like he's calling if you donk anyway so you didn't lose any money.

Feel free to dig through my posts to find one where I claim to be a great poker player.

I'm also not good at baseball, but I can still laugh quite heartily when someone swings through a pitch.

I suppose for now you have to be happy making $5 or so a month? You are not following your own rig theory which you said does not exist at the higher buy ins, so why are you not simply playing them since you believe you would be one of the best players that can comfortably making a living? Instead you whine about tournaments with $0+$0 buy ins and 5 NL cash games.

Forget about durrr and Ivey - why are you not a dude making $50,000-$100,000 a year simply by avoiding the games like 5NL that you say are rigged against you?



But you said earlier if you have no hands on a player and he seems bad (which people who never played cash before might) that he is definitely a new player. Now you are saying some "new players" by your definition are not "new" players, so how exactly do you know when you lose a hand to a "new" player?


If this is a hobby for you and you have a proper job then all you need to do is deposit $3,000 or so and sit at 100NL and 200NL, and play 1,000 hands a day and given you will win at 15BB/100 or so since there is no rig at that levels holding you back, that means you will make 150BBs a day or about $150-$300 a day.

There you go, an easy way for you to make $50,000-$100,000 a year with your hobby, and this is even before rakeback and VIP benefits. This can be yours for an initial investment of a couple thousand dollars. What is stopping you?



You should consider writing a book about your runner runner draw fancy play out of position approaches as it could change poker as we know it.

But you said they call any amount with a flush... Now you are saying they do not? Kind of hard to keep up with your theories when they keep changing!


Anyway, better luck in your $0 buy ins that you will whine about, since you seem unwilling to follow all my very simple suggestions to make yourself $50,000-$100,000 a year, with the only thing being is that it assumes everything you are saying about your skill and rigs are the truth, so the fact you continue to not do it is interesting.

All the best.

Ok before I start I just want to say, I don't think online poker is rigged or 888 poker is rigged.

BUT, I've played a smallish sample (50k hands) (small winner atm, 5 buyins) I've noticed something very weird on 888. Again, it could be my sample size but Im interested to hear an opinion on someone who plays there regularly about this.

So I noticed that fish on 888 poker have been really lucky vs me and others on the table (usually they double,triple and more) and you see them playing horribly.

It's like they always catch their miracle cards to make the best hand on turn or river or just shove something on the flop and get there by the river. Say you got AK the flop is K72 rainbow.. you bet bet bet knowing you most likely have the best hand and you expect him to show up with some kind of a king so you shove the river.. the river turns out made him 2 pair.. now obviosly that should happen every now and then but I feel like it happens more often than it should(way more often).

Or when they chase draws.. you bet a strong hand on a drawy board, you bet the turn and the river comes one card that completes all draws and you get shoved on. (again this happens very often)

Or someone shoves all in 5 hands in a row.. you pick up a high pair lets say jacks.. turns out he actually has aces this time.

The most weird thing is fish acumulate massive stacks on some tables by playing horribly.



This is just my sample size and my perspective so don't take this for granted, I just want to hear opinions from people who play there more than me.

Where is your actual sample size data and why do you refer to a feeling than actually posting hand numbers?

fish on a heater...