Lol only an idiot would consider Online Poker to be rigged without concrete evidence right?

How could I possibly understand something that complex when I am afterall;

"one of the most idiotic posters on the internet" and someone with "cretinously inadequate intellect ".

Only an idiot would express himself as certain that on line poker was rigged without any evidence, yes.

Ooops, of course you couldn't.

My mistake.

tourneys are rigged

edit:seriously

If i explain then the sissies here will cry

rigged
that is why i win sometimes

What does a systems architect do? Ive never heard of that before tbh.

Someone who works out how to build large computer systems - how many machines to use, whereabouts in the world they willl be placed, how they'll talk to one another, what software they'll use, what sort of comms, how the database will be arranged, that sort of thing.

Oh so you work with Poker Sites? Hmmm....So why do you feel it's appropriate to post here?

Somebody should start a petition thread to have QPW banned...

HAHAHA! Why? Explain why only an idiot would think online poker is rigged, and how you came to that conclusion?? Are they affiliate w/ the Pope? I'm confused as to what qualifed them to be known as so upstanding and legitimate that you could call people stupid and dillusional for questioning their integrity? Aren't some allowing US players to place bets even tho it's against the law?(as of now now)

No. (Except as a player, of course. )

Because it's a site for poker players and I play poker.

Seems simple enough.

Someone?

Why not you?

Why expect someone else to do all the work?

Have you had your thread creation privileges revoked for some reason?

You've changed the wording, haven't you?

I said only an idiot woud be certain that online poker was rigged without any evidence.

Wondering whether or not it might be does not mark you out to be an idiot. (Well, obviously you are marked out as an idiot for a host of other reasons.)

I have just returned from playing in LV everyday for almost a month. There is no question in my mind that the Online game is juiced. I don't that it is set to favor any one player over another, just to keep the action flowing and the game interesting.

nah, then he would lose motivation to exist. who would troll this thread 24/7 everyday then?

in before "no u just see more hands in online poker, don't ya know that? how many hands did u play i vegas? i bet u could play same amount of hands in one hour playing online"

There's no point in just continually repeating this stuff. People who think games are juiced aren't going to be convinced otherwise. Comparing live to online in style of play alone is apples and oranges. People don't want to even consider the possibility that the softer play in live games contributes to the way they see things. People play live and have some success and think everything is fine, then have no clue what hit them online because people are far tighter and far more skilled on average.

Basically if they want to provide evidence of rigging and at least approach this subject from an intelligent and scientific point of view, then they'll get reasonable responses. If they're not, they'll get flamed like the idiots they are.

On a related note, I sometimes wonder how many people start of on play money tables, think the know how to play poker because they can easily make 10 PTBB/hr at limit and get a rude awakaning when they try to play on real money tables.

I was looking through my measly 6k hand history DB from pokerstars I came across this oddity.
One flop came Jd Td Qd, within 10 hands the exact same flop, in the exact same order, with the exact same suit, came out on the exact same table.
Please correct my math if incorrect, however these are my calculations.

• Odds of hitting any specific flop is 1/52 times 1/51 times 1/50 or one in 132,600 times.

• The odds of hitting same flop back to back are 132,600 to the 2nd power or one in 17,582,760,000 times.

• The odds of hitting the exact same flop within 10 flops are 17,582,760,000/10 or one in 1,758,276,000 times.

• The odds to win the 20 state Power Ball lottery are around 80 million to 1.

• 80 million goes into 1.6 billion 20 times.

• So according to my calculations I theoretically won the 20 state Power Ball lottery a little more than 20 times.

I don't think I'm that lucky so it must be my math.
Please correct.

the flop has no order, you are wrong

and this should go in the poker theory forum imo

6000 hands? Were you reviewing your last 2 sessions?

You also forget to mention that 10 hands later for your table was about 30,000 hands later for the Stars server.

Right, if you mean a specific flop with a specific order of cards.

Here's your mistake. The odds of hitting the same flop back to back are just 1 in 132,600. Because whatever the first flop is, there's a 1 in 132,600 chance the second flop will be identical.

Another mistake here. The odds of hitting the first flop again within 10 flops later is about 1 in 132,600/10 or just 1 in 13,260. But you'd probably also think it was surprising if you hit the second flop again within 10 flops, or the third flop, etc. So it's more like 1 in 1,326 (not exactly, but about this).

Now if you've played 6000 hands, that's 600 sets of 10 hands, so it's hardly shocking you've seen the same flop twice within 10 hands at some point.

That's actually irrelevant.

I'm a bit confused, I understand odds of hitting one flop is 1 in 132,600, but hitting them back to back is the same odds, 1 in 132,600? That can't be right.

It is right.

The mistake you're making is that you are doing the calculation for one specific flop.

It doesn't matter what the flop, there are 1/132600 chances that the next flop will be the same. So you don't need to compute the probability for the first flop.

If it helps, think of tossing a coin twice to see if the second toss is the same as the first.

The possibilities are:

HH
HT
TH
TT

So, whatever the second coin there is a 50% chance that it is the same as the first. Not a 25% chance.

Also why was my post moved to the Rigged debate? There is a difference between murder and manslaughter, there is also a difference between rigged and flawed. I never said Pokerstars was rigged.

Assuming you care about the order of the flop, I calculated that it was 1 in 2947.

Chance of a duplicate flop appearing in 10 hands is the same as:
1 - (Chance all 10 flops are different)

= 1 - [(132599*132598*132597*.....132591)/132600^9]
= 1 - (0.99966068)
= 1 in 2947

You were off by a factor of just over half a million....

Your set of 6000 hands has 5991 sets of 10 hands (Hands 1-10, Hands 2-11, Hands 3-12.... ) but these aren't independent. We can take a gigantic underestimate and say that there are 600 sets of 10 independent hands. (Hands 1-10, Hands 11-20,...). Note that this is a big underestimate because, for example, you could have witnessed the same board on Hands 368 and 372 which are only four hands apart, but are treated as being in different groups of ten by this method.

Then the chances you don't observe an identical board within some set of 10 hands is 2946/2947^600 = 81.5%, or the chances that you did observe it are 18.5%. Note again that this is a *gigantic* underestimate. It wouldn't surprise me if the actual result was well over 30%

If you don't care about the order the cards are dealt, i.e. QJTddd is the same flop as TQJddd etc... then it almost impossible that you would *not* have seen the same flop within the space of 10 hands at some point in a 6k hand sample.